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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:39:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1: whats the suppressor , muzzle adapter commonly used on Block II ? Air Force, Navy and Army SOF, they use the Surefire RC and 4P flash hinder. Marines use the older KAC can and NT4 flash hinder. CD |
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USA
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:41:52 AM EDT
[#2]
If anyone is looking to sell a block ii upper (16 in) I would be interested as I need one for work
If this post is inappropriate let me know and I'll delete it Thanks |
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USA
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:41:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11b4v: SF Group recently training in Germany apparently has one, black SU231 on a rifle. With the LMT fixed sights, it could be personally owned. Pic taken from an article at The War Zone on SF's Hard Target Defeat Companies. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/778/SF_with_black_231_jpg-1722879.JPG What is that on the dudes wrist? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2021 11:25:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LFC2112: What is that on the dudes wrist? Garmin Foretrex GPS |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 11:46:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Air Force, Navy and Army SOF, they use the Surefire RC and 4P flash hinder. Marines use the older KAC can and NT4 flash hinder. CD Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By BSOG1: whats the suppressor , muzzle adapter commonly used on Block II ? Air Force, Navy and Army SOF, they use the Surefire RC and 4P flash hinder. Marines use the older KAC can and NT4 flash hinder. CD @BSOG1 Before the RC was adopted, they all had NT4s and M4QDs. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:10:21 PM EDT
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I snagged a non fsp RIS II so i'll be assembling that soon as well
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Posted: 1/11/2021 12:43:09 AM EDT
[#7]
is the Surefire stuff available ?
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Posted: 1/11/2021 1:05:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1: is the Surefire stuff available ? Sort of. Surefire just discontinued the RC suppressor (which is the issued model) and now you can only purchase the RC2. The issued muzzle device is the 4 prong and those aren’t sold commercially. You can find them fairly often in the EE but they’re expensive. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 11:28:21 PM EDT
[#9]
Built up an FSP to go with my non FSP and CQBR Block II’s.
- MSI CAGE Code upper receiver - Colt SOCOM barrel - Colt BCG - Surefire 4 prong (not pinned, this is an SBR) - DD RIS II FSP - Matech rear sight - Eotech 553 Going to pick up a tan Surefire Scout for it and swap out the Magpul VFG for a Tango Down at some point.  
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Posted: 1/16/2021 12:18:33 PM EDT
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Anybody use a pin and welded NT4 with the KAC can?
I was about to send an upper off to have a NT4 pinned and welded, but I want to make sure that the spacer won't interfere with suppressor use. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 12:36:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rothperson87]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beastman: Anybody use a pin and welded NT4 with the KAC can? I was about to send an upper off to have a NT4 pinned and welded, but I want to make sure that the spacer won't interfere with suppressor use. The NT4 flash hider isn’t long enough on its own to make 16". You will need a spacer to push it out far enough. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 12:42:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87: The NT4 flash hider isn’t long enough on its own to make 16". You will need a spacer to push it out far enough. I know, that's why I want to make sure the spacer won't interfere with suppressor lock up before I have it pinned. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 1:10:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beastman: Anybody use a pin and welded NT4 with the KAC can? I was about to send an upper off to have a NT4 pinned and welded, but I want to make sure that the spacer won't interfere with suppressor use. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 1:12:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beastman: I know, that's why I want to make sure the spacer won't interfere with suppressor lock up before I have it pinned. Reading comprehension is hard for me. I only read the first half of your post before I replied. I wouldn’t think so as the groove the latch falls into is in front of the spacer and doesn’t change the measurements from the grooves to the end of the flash hider. Just going to make the can sit slightly further from the bare muzzle. Hopefully that makes sense. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 2:46:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: If you go back to the earlier days of the thread augee had that setup on his block II for awhile Originally Posted By Rothperson87: Reading comprehension is hard for me. I only read the first half of your post before I replied. I wouldn’t think so as the groove the latch falls into is in front of the spacer and doesn’t change the measurements from the grooves to the end of the flash hider. Just going to make the can sit slightly further from the bare muzzle. Hopefully that makes sense. Thanks |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 1:47:33 AM EDT
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Surefire is famous for constantly discontinuing stuff.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006: Sort of. Surefire just discontinued the RC suppressor (which is the issued model) and now you can only purchase the RC2. The issued muzzle device is the 4 prong and those aren’t sold commercially. You can find them fairly often in the EE but they’re expensive. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 7:35:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SMFdarkangel]
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Originally Posted By HD2006:Sort of. Surefire just discontinued the RC suppressor (which is the issued model) and now you can only purchase the RC2. They stopped making them like 6 months ago but the RC2 will likely pop up ITW at some point in the near future. Originally Posted By BSOG1: Surefire is famous for constantly discontinuing stuff. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 11:57:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMFdarkangel: They stopped making them like 6 months ago but the RC2 will likely pop up ITW at some point in the near future. Part of the RC2 redesign was automating the welding process, which resulted in a cost savings for SF and the end user. They had to keep the RC tooling to fulfil the DoD contract. It would appear they did contract mod last year. At that point there was no reason to keep producing the older model. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMFdarkangel: Originally Posted By HD2006:Sort of. Surefire just discontinued the RC suppressor (which is the issued model) and now you can only purchase the RC2. They stopped making them like 6 months ago but the RC2 will likely pop up ITW at some point in the near future. Originally Posted By BSOG1: Surefire is famous for constantly discontinuing stuff. It would be cool to see the RC2 start popping up ITW since I have one. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:53:24 PM EDT
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It may not be clone correct, but anyone try a Cloud Defensive OWL on their RIS II FSP rail? How's it work with the FSP / palm of hand?
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:57:20 AM EDT
[#20]
My RC2 was pretty beat up looking so I re-coated it yesterday.
 Here is the RC2 with a new coat of Cerakote next to my RC (that I keep new so I can color match my other SF cans to when they're beat up)  
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Posted: 1/21/2021 9:33:50 AM EDT
[#21]
Has anybody here cerakoted there black surefire socom silencer fde? I’ve got a black one and
I’m looking into options on the best way to get it fde. It’s going to get spray painted anyways but I would rather not Have the black showing through when the paint wears. Here’s pics from my conjugal visit.  Attached File Attached File |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2021 12:34:57 AM EDT
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Question regarding cqd rail sling mount; we all know optic mounts should engage the front of of the pic. lug surface, but with something like a rail sling mount does it matter?
The screws are pretty narrow so when not tightened down the the mount can move fore and aft, when it comes to optics mounts you mount as far forward as possible to mitigate recoil forces moving your optic mount, but with a sling mount does it even matter? My guess as to mount as rearward in the engagement surface since the sling forces will usually be pulling towards the shooter, but not even sure if this matters? |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 7:24:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gmbackus: Question regarding cqd rail sling mount; we all know optic mounts should engage the front of of the pic. lug surface, but with something like a rail sling mount does it matter? The screws are pretty narrow so when not tightened down the the mount can move fore and aft, when it comes to optics mounts you mount as far forward as possible to mitigate recoil forces moving your optic mount, but with a sling mount does it even matter? My guess as to mount as rearward in the engagement surface since the sling forces will usually be pulling towards the shooter, but not even sure if this matters? Yea man pretty sure your over thinking this lol. It doesn’t matter |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:53:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wichert187: Yea man pretty sure your over thinking this lol. It doesn’t matter Yeah pretty sure I was, it happens sometimes when I get I stressed out at work I obsess over the weirdest shit But I did mount it rearward because it made the most sense to me lol |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:30:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JSchell1309]
[#25]
Did an inventory on all the clone stuff and spare parts I been buying as I see them over the years. Just realized I have enough to build a complete upper.
NT4 flash hider not P&W since it’s a SBR lower. KAC micros as stand ins until I figure out what optics I want on it. Thinking a LPVO would be a good fit. Also this is the last of my C marked uppers. This one is a Brass square forged upper The barrel is a Thoroughbred Armament 14.5” Colt surplus that already had the Mk12 gas block and DD barrel nut. Barrel was in excellent shape with a 2014 date code and very clean chamber and bore. 
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USA
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:36:07 PM EDT
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While I’m in here:
Was there ever anymore info out there on Mueller Forge code uppers that have been hitting the surplus areas? I found this post in the URGI thread with some info and then this post from CD in here. Was there any more photos of these seen in the wild on Block 2s? Or were these only replacements for URGI?    |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2021 2:43:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: seanway]
[#27]
How you guys feel about the new 2020 colt laser engravings... ?
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:09:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JSchell1309: While I’m in here: Was there ever anymore info out there on Mueller Forge code uppers that have been hitting the surplus areas? I found this post in the URGI thread with some info and then this post from CD in here. Was there any more photos of these seen in the wild on Block 2s? Or were these only replacements for URGI? https://i.imgur.com/qVbi92C.jpg https://i.imgur.com/VcFGKdX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2elpMF5.jpg I posted those before the URGI was fielded so, Yes, used on URG/Blk IIs. CD |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 1:55:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: I posted those before the URGI was fielded so, Yes, used on URG/Blk IIs. CD Thanks for the quick confirmation CD, appreciated. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 3:02:13 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda: My RC2 was pretty beat up looking so I re-coated it yesterday. https://i.imgur.com/sjRp4oe.jpg Here is the RC2 with a new coat of Cerakote next to my RC (that I keep new so I can color match my other SF cans to when they're beat up) https://i.imgur.com/V43yCiO.jpg @MNRidesHonda Heck yes, my dude; looks great. I am keeping a Warden on hand for the same reasoning. Surefire uses C-Series "Coyote Tan" yes? Or you custom formula to match? |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:51:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MNRidesHonda]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz: @MNRidesHonda Heck yes, my dude; looks great. I am keeping a Warden on hand for the same reasoning. Surefire uses C-Series "Coyote Tan" yes? Or you custom formula to match? I’m pretty sure SF uses C but I’m not 100% sure what color SF uses. I mixed my formula and I used H instead. C is not as durable in my experiences. I have several cans I coated in H that have been holding up fine to the heat and wear much better than C. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2021 1:26:43 AM EDT
[#32]
Waiting on my xps3 to come back from repair(reliever new with debris in the window unfortunately) before I post pictures, otherwise build is complete sans light.
Seeing as the insight wmx200 is pretty much vapor ware, is there another light I can pick up that is actual issue? I see the Surefire scout is pretty popular, and pretty common on issue guns, but is this an actual issue item or a individual/unit purchase? If not an actual “sopmod issue” light, what are my options besides holding out for a wmx200 in tan? Also follow up question on “sopmod approved” stock. I realize the ctr is probably the most common individual purchase, but as far as being part of the “sopmod issue” I believe the enhanced sopmod gen 1 is more correct. Currently the rifles wearing a b5 coyote brown gen 1, but going back through this thread a couple of times, I have been unable to tell if the CB is actually part of the sopmod kit, or just commonly issued because it has an nsn; would black actually be the more correct sopmod issued stock? |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 2:42:30 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gmbackus: Waiting on my xps3 to come back from repair(reliever new with debris in the window unfortunately) before I post pictures, otherwise build is complete sans light. Seeing as the insight wmx200 is pretty much vapor ware, is there another light I can pick up that is actual issue? I see the Surefire scout is pretty popular, and pretty common on issue guns, but is this an actual issue item or a individual/unit purchase? If not an actual "sopmod issue" light, what are my options besides holding out for a wmx200 in tan? Also follow up question on "sopmod approved" stock. I realize the ctr is probably the most common individual purchase, but as far as being part of the "sopmod issue" I believe the enhanced sopmod gen 1 is more correct. Currently the rifles wearing a b5 coyote brown gen 1, but going back through this thread a couple of times, I have been unable to tell if the CB is actually part of the sopmod kit, or just commonly issued because it has an nsn; would black actually be the more correct sopmod issued stock? For Sopmod stocks the correct ones are LMT GEN 1 black, LMT GEN 1 coyote brown, or b5 gen 1 black. B5 in coyot brown having been seen in photos. Every time a coyote brown sopmod is seen it appears to be an lmt (hardware gives it away). |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2021 6:24:45 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: For lights the alternative to the wmx200 is the su-233 (m3x). Poor output but you can get a 500 lumen led replacement bulb for it to give it new life. MARSCO appears to be issuing the m600v. Other scouts that you see are individual purchase or unit purchase. For Sopmod stocks the correct ones are LMT GEN 1 black, LMT GEN 1 coyote brown, or b5 gen 1 black. B5 in coyot brown having been seen in photos. Every time a coyote brown sopmod is seen it appears to be an lmt (hardware gives it away). So the gen 1 LMT is also vapor ware or really expensive, but the coyote brown color was an actual “as issued” item then, correct? |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 8:35:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gmbackus: So the gen 1 LMT is also vapor ware or really expensive, but the coyote brown color was an actual "as issued" item then, correct? Yes the lmt gen 1 in CB/taupe was issued in limited numbers. I'll post some pics later tonight or tomorrow. |
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Posted: 2/1/2021 1:15:53 PM EDT
[#36]
A few questions, and apologies if these have been answered before:
1) Optics: I have seen some pictures of block II's with vortex pst gen II 1-6 and black Geissele 1.93 mounts. However I haven't seen any kind of description about who's rifles they are (see https://www.clonerifles.com/theclones/m4a1blockii). Anyone know? At the previous link there is one with a lancer adaptive magwell, pst, G 1.93, and magpul ACS. any other pictures of this rifle in the wild or anyone know anything about it? 2) Flash hiders: I know sf 4p and KAC are the most common/accepted flash hiders, however I seem to recall people also saying the closed tine SF 212 was appropriate as an option way back when I first started my block II project 8 or 9 years ago. Am I misremembering? Does anyone have a pic of a block ii in the wild with one? Thanks guys! |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2021 1:23:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wrxdwpsti: A few questions, and apologies if these have been answered before: 1) Optics: I have seen some pictures of block II's with vortex pst gen II 1-6 and black Geissele 1.93 mounts. However I haven't seen any kind of description about who's rifles they are (see https://www.clonerifles.com/theclones/m4a1blockii). Anyone know? At the previous link there is one with a lancer adaptive magwell, pst, G 1.93, and magpul ACS. any other pictures of this rifle in the wild or anyone know anything about it? 2) Flash hiders: I know sf 4p and KAC are the most common/accepted flash hiders, however I seem to recall people also saying the closed tine SF 212 was appropriate as an option way back when I first started my block II project 8 or 9 years ago. Am I misremembering? Does anyone have a pic of a block ii in the wild with one? Thanks guys! PST 1-6 was on SF block IIs. https://www.defensereview.com/tactical-ar-15-m4-m4a1-carbine-aftermarket-accessories-for-military-cotactical-ar-15-m4-m4a1-carbine-aftermarket-accessories-for-military-combat-applications-the-competition-to-combat-crossover-part/ |
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Posted: 2/1/2021 1:29:22 PM EDT
[#38]
Thanks for finding the source of those pictures so fast!!
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Posted: 2/1/2021 2:39:21 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wrxdwpsti: A few questions, and apologies if these have been answered before: 1) Optics: I have seen some pictures of block II's with vortex pst gen II 1-6 and black Geissele 1.93 mounts. However I haven't seen any kind of description about who's rifles they are (see https://www.clonerifles.com/theclones/m4a1blockii). Anyone know? At the previous link there is one with a lancer adaptive magwell, pst, G 1.93, and magpul ACS. any other pictures of this rifle in the wild or anyone know anything about it? 2) Flash hiders: I know sf 4p and KAC are the most common/accepted flash hiders, however I seem to recall people also saying the closed tine SF 212 was appropriate as an option way back when I first started my block II project 8 or 9 years ago. Am I misremembering? Does anyone have a pic of a block ii in the wild with one? Thanks guys! The PST 1-6x has also been seen on at least one Navy gun:  Attached FileThe SF 212A was used on AFSOC guns. These pics are from the 2015 timeframe.     
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Posted: 2/1/2021 2:57:34 PM EDT
[#40]
Thanks Stevie! Any idea if that navy gun has the Geissele 1.93 or the 2.04?
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MN, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2021 2:58:06 PM EDT
[#41]
Is an A2 flash hider or NT4 correct for RIS II FSP? I want to do a RIS II FSP build maybe with a 16” barrel for easy of maintenance. I always thought the Daniel Defense V1 or the Colt Socom II looked cool.. A2 would save me a bit of length vs surefire. Though 14.5 pin & weld surefire would be best...
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Posted: 2/1/2021 3:33:54 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By P51D_katydid: Is an A2 flash hider or NT4 correct for RIS II FSP? I want to do a RIS II FSP build maybe with a 16” barrel for easy of maintenance. I always thought the Daniel Defense V1 or the Colt Socom II looked cool.. A2 would save me a bit of length vs surefire. Though 14.5 pin & weld surefire would be best... NT4 or 4 prong |
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Posted: 2/1/2021 3:47:43 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wrxdwpsti: Thanks Stevie! Any idea if that navy gun has the Geissele 1.93 or the 2.04? No problem. I'm fairly certain it's a 1.93 mount. |
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Posted: 2/1/2021 10:26:13 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By P51D_katydid: Is an A2 flash hider or NT4 correct for RIS II FSP? I want to do a RIS II FSP build maybe with a 16” barrel for easy of maintenance. I always thought the Daniel Defense V1 or the Colt Socom II looked cool.. A2 would save me a bit of length vs surefire. Though 14.5 pin & weld surefire would be best... This is the way! D. Wilson can even time it to not use shims. Looks way cleaner IMO.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 7:28:43 PM EDT
[#45]
Swapped the Magpul VFG for a Tango Down and added a Surefire Scout to the FSP build. Last pic shows the Block II family.
  
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Posted: 2/3/2021 10:13:17 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87: This is the way! D. Wilson can even time it to not use shims. Looks way cleaner IMO. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/462226/C424FEC0-2A52-412E-B2DF-BDA40F629A28_jpe-1807092.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87: Originally Posted By P51D_katydid: Is an A2 flash hider or NT4 correct for RIS II FSP? I want to do a RIS II FSP build maybe with a 16” barrel for easy of maintenance. I always thought the Daniel Defense V1 or the Colt Socom II looked cool.. A2 would save me a bit of length vs surefire. Though 14.5 pin & weld surefire would be best... This is the way! D. Wilson can even time it to not use shims. Looks way cleaner IMO. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/462226/C424FEC0-2A52-412E-B2DF-BDA40F629A28_jpe-1807092.JPG Do you even clone bro? |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 11:19:00 PM EDT
[#47]
Would it be worth it to sell a complete cqbr upper or part it out?
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Posted: 2/4/2021 12:11:41 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ivan1: Would it be worth it to sell a complete cqbr upper or part it out? Part out |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 11:12:49 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4: Part out Lol I was in the wrong clone thread. But yeah, I’m leaning towards as well. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/7/2021 9:56:30 AM EDT
[#50]
I know it's been discussed before but I can't remember or find the verdict. Did any FSB Block II use M4 contour barrels?
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