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Posted: 7/7/2011 12:07:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot]
So just an introduction to this thread - its purpose is to show off your Block II clone builds; here is a list of some of the common characteristics and equipment that the Block II M4A1s have:
THE Block II Chart (courtesy of Patriot_Man) Barrel: 14.5" M4 or SOCOM contour barrel Flash Hider: KAC NT4 Surefire 4P Suppressors: KAC NT4 Surefire SOCOM RC Rail System: Early Block II M4A1s still used the KAC M4 RIS/RAS DD RIS II in dark earth Vertical grips Tango down battle grip in tan KAC Grip-Pod Rail panels: Tango Down KAC Front sight: KAC flip up in tan standard front sight base (if early Block II with M4 RIS/RAS) Optics: Elcan Specter DR SU-230 EOTech SU-231-PEQ (EOTech 553) EOTech SU-231A-PEQ (EOTech EXPS03) ACOG SU-237 (TA01-ECOS) EOTech/Aimpoint 3x magnifiers IR Lasers: Insight AN/PEQ-15/LA-5 Flashlight: Insight M3 (SU-233/PVS) Insight WMX200 Rear sight: KAC 300m KAC 600m MaTech Buttstock: standard M4 (both older CAR style and newer "LE" style) LMT SOPMOD 
some reference pics  Attached File Attached File
 early block II
 more early Block IIs
Just to reiterate, you don't have to have an EXACT copy of a Block II M4A1 to post your rifle up here, but the purpose is to post pictures of our rifles that we've made specifically to emulate the issue Block II weapon system - if you've got a midlength carbine with an UBR stock that just happens to have a RIS II on it it is likely you did not intend the rifle be a "clone" of the newest generation M4A1, and probably doesn't belong in this picture thread. Rifles that have no Block II components ie standard M4geries with Block I Optics do not embody the purpose of this thread and though they are nice weapons in their own right, shouldn't be posted in this thread to avoid unnecessary clutter. Originally Posted By Augee: The easiest visual discriminator of whether you're looking at a SOPMOD equipped M4A1 or an MWS M4 is usually the identity of who is holding it. If it's a SOF troop, it's probably a SOPMOD M4[A1]. If it's a conventional troop, it's probably an M4 MWS. SOPMOD = SOF MWS = Conventional The SOPMOD program was initially fielded in 1996, and the two have not significantly converged or crossed over at all since then, and there is almost no commonality between systems used in the two. They are separate lines of development and evolution managed by two totally different components (Army and Navy). SOPMOD is run by NSWC-Crane to equip SOF M4A1 Carbines with accessories. There are two distinct "blocks" as identified by NSWC-Crane PowerPoints as the primary source of information, however, there was a "transitional period" of several years in which carbines with items from both blocks were used. Because of a PowerPoint slide that was published (IIRC?) 2006 showing a block labeled "phased replacement," it has become the colloquial term for "transitional" configurations. "Block x" does NOT refer, in an "official" sense to a specific configuration of rifle. It refers to specific modifications (read accessories) to the SOF M4A1 weapon system that are managed by Crane. Colloquially we refer to M4A1s with accessories from the first block of the SOPMOD program as "Block 1," while using "Block 2" to describe carbines with the RIS II, one of the last components of the second block of the SOPMOD program to be fielded. Carbines with the accessories/features of both blocks of the SOPMOD program, but without the RIS II, we refer to as "Phased Replacement." It is important to note, however, that this colloquial classification is generally limited to this thread, and others both here and on other sites that feed off of it. The important thing to understand is that the SOPMOD program is almost always limited to SOF only, and 99% of the time, the "actual" weapon in question will be an M4A1, not an M4. The M4 is a conventional forces weapon system, and is totally separate from the SOPMOD program and SOF modifications, though they were "inspired" by the SOPMOD program, almost every single actual item is different. The M4 is managed by the Army overall through TACOM, though the Marine Corps also manages their own programs through their own directorates for their specific incarnation of the M4. The M4 is a conventional forces platform, and is upgraded through modular weapon system (MWS) upgrades. There are no specific blocks, increments, or generations, and their specifics vary by time period, unit, and MTOE. ~Augee |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 12:15:22 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wpierce:
Sorry for the delay guys. Pics are here: SOPMOD Is it worth sending back? The only reason I bought it was due to the limited run of gov model stocks. I'm not sure why the hyperlink doesn't work from the previous post, if you copy and paste the text it works just fine. BCM has the B5 that you got listed at $60. I'd email Brownells and send them pictures along with the receipt... |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 12:19:39 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wpierce:
Sorry for the delay guys. Pics are here: SOPMOD Is it worth sending back? The only reason I bought it was due to the limited run of gov model stocks. I'm not sure why the hyperlink doesn't work from the previous post, if you copy and paste the text it works just fine. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 12:19:55 PM EDT
[#3]
bump
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2018 12:31:48 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wpierce:
Sorry for the delay guys. Pics are here: SOPMOD Is it worth sending back? The only reason I bought it was due to the limited run of gov model stocks. I'm not sure why the hyperlink doesn't work from the previous post, if you copy and paste the text it works just fine. Assuming you correctly ordered the Gov. Issued version. 3 Main differences on the Overruns should be the "poopy" color, sanitized markings on the overrun, and lack of the QD attachment point. It looks like they sent you their commercial offering. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 12:45:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wpierce]
[#5]
Cool, thanks for the info guys. I will definitely send it back if I could have got this same one for $60.
[edit] Brownells is having me return it and they will have more of the gov ones coming in around the end of this month. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 1:57:48 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wpierce:
Cool, thanks for the info guys. I will definitely send it back if I could have got this same one for $60. [edit] Brownells is having me return it and they will have more of the gov ones coming in around the end of this month. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:07:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AR_Marv]
[#7]
Edit. Missed all the replies
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Posted: 4/9/2018 4:45:10 PM EDT
[#8]
Weapons outfitters had coyote overruns last night. I got one.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2018 5:57:33 PM EDT
[#9]
In the wild LPVOs - what’s been seen besides Razor HD? I dislike ACOGs, and I’m just not willing to drop 2k plus on an Elcan yet.
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Posted: 4/9/2018 8:18:02 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wpierce:
Sorry for the delay guys. Pics are here: SOPMOD Is it worth sending back? The only reason I bought it was due to the limited run of gov model stocks. I'm not sure why the hyperlink doesn't work from the previous post, if you copy and paste the text it works just fine. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 8:20:53 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StealthGuy:
Weapons outfitters had coyote overruns last night. I got one. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 8:22:29 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Saw that. Holding out for Brownells since I get a discount through them. 
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2018 8:26:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 762hunter2]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Super_Trouper:
In the wild LPVOs - what’s been seen besides Razor HD? I dislike ACOGs, and I’m just not willing to drop 2k plus on an Elcan yet. 
Nightforce- either a 1-4x24 or 2.5-10x24 
VCOG 
Vortex PST 1-4 
Razor is the new block 3 hotness though 
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2018 8:47:35 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
You definitely got a Gen 2. Are you sure you ordered the right one? That looks like a FDE, not Coyote. There was another listing that looked just like the surplus ones. 
I’m glad they’re letting me return it! |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 8:57:51 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wpierce:
I’m trying to gloss over the fact that I’m a retard and ordered the wrong one. Yes both pages look the same... I just checked my receipt and it’s the commercial item number
I’m glad they’re letting me return it! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wpierce:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
You definitely got a Gen 2. Are you sure you ordered the right one? That looks like a FDE, not Coyote. There was another listing that looked just like the surplus ones.
I’m glad they’re letting me return it! 
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Posted: 4/9/2018 9:04:06 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wpierce:
I’m trying to gloss over the fact that I’m a retard and ordered the wrong one. Yes both pages look the same... I just checked my receipt and it’s the commercial item number
I’m glad they’re letting me return it! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wpierce:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
You definitely got a Gen 2. Are you sure you ordered the right one? That looks like a FDE, not Coyote. There was another listing that looked just like the surplus ones.
I’m glad they’re letting me return it!
But like I said, Brownells is awesome. And it happens, just remember coyote gen 1 is what you were looking for |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 9:05:28 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 762hunter2: Kahles K16i https://i.imgur.com/FllDFeu.jpg Nightforce- either a 1-4x24 or 2.5-10x24 https://i.imgur.com/R9G2Ydw.jpg VCOG https://i.imgur.com/t8K71LV.jpg Vortex PST 1-4 https://i.imgur.com/RMg60jT.jpg Razor is the new block 3 hotness though https://i.imgur.com/oHb83e8.jpg |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 9:28:09 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot:
And every one of those optics costs more than the rifle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot:
Originally Posted By 762hunter2: Kahles K16i https://i.imgur.com/FllDFeu.jpg Nightforce- either a 1-4x24 or 2.5-10x24 https://i.imgur.com/R9G2Ydw.jpg VCOG https://i.imgur.com/t8K71LV.jpg Vortex PST 1-4 https://i.imgur.com/RMg60jT.jpg Razor is the new block 3 hotness though https://i.imgur.com/oHb83e8.jpg |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 9:38:35 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryI have that BCM foregrip on right now. I have the older one with the screw, but I can't find the tan one. I have a black one and a green one.... but of course I want the tan one and can't find it. But I guess since its on this gun, its okay on mine. |
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Posted: 4/10/2018 3:20:51 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 762hunter2: Kahles K16i https://i.imgur.com/FllDFeu.jpg Nightforce- either a 1-4x24 or 2.5-10x24 https://i.imgur.com/R9G2Ydw.jpg VCOG https://i.imgur.com/t8K71LV.jpg Vortex PST 1-4 https://i.imgur.com/RMg60jT.jpg Razor is the new block 3 hotness though https://i.imgur.com/oHb83e8.jpg |
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Posted: 4/10/2018 4:15:48 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryWhat's the scope mount? I thought it was sitting on a larue SPR E for the longest time
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Posted: 4/10/2018 7:04:29 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
What's the scope mount? I thought it was sitting on a larue SPR E for the longest time Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
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Posted: 4/10/2018 7:59:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 762hunter2]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I think it's a BOBRO. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By aaron580:
https://www.brownells.com/optics-mounting/rings-mounts-amp-bases/mount-sets/30mm-extra-extended-precision-optics-mount-sku100203560-67754-140629.aspx?cm_mmc=cse-_-Itwine-_-shopzilla-_-100-203-560&utm_medium=cse&utm_source=connexity&utm_campaign=itwine&utm_content=100-203-560 Seem pretty popular 
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Posted: 4/10/2018 8:01:04 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I think it's a BOBRO. 
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Posted: 4/10/2018 8:01:13 AM EDT
[#25]
Ah there it is. Thanks a bunch. I might try to do that rifle up
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USA
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Posted: 4/10/2018 12:47:27 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 762hunter2: Kahles K16i https://i.imgur.com/FllDFeu.jpg Nightforce- either a 1-4x24 or 2.5-10x24 https://i.imgur.com/R9G2Ydw.jpg VCOG https://i.imgur.com/t8K71LV.jpg Vortex PST 1-4 https://i.imgur.com/RMg60jT.jpg Razor is the new block 3 hotness though https://i.imgur.com/oHb83e8.jpg Leupold Mk6 DAGR  Leupold Mk8 CQBSS  S&B Short Dot 
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Posted: 4/10/2018 5:43:02 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex: S&B Short Dot http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Jeff_Gurwitch_AR-15_M4A1_Carbine_Tactical_Accessories_DefenseReview.com_DR_Pic_A.jpg |
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Posted: 4/10/2018 5:48:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Hasn't it been said that black rails haven't been used in the wild? I guess this pic proves otherwise? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Originally Posted By cmcflex: S&B Short Dot http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Jeff_Gurwitch_AR-15_M4A1_Carbine_Tactical_Accessories_DefenseReview.com_DR_Pic_A.jpg 1- it is just the lighting making it look black 2- it is black, and its either private purchase or single unit purchase We've never found proof either way, but it looks like a black RIS II to me. AND the black RIS II's come with black rail ladders. Which that one has. So I'm in the single unit/private purchase/its black group |
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Posted: 4/10/2018 6:15:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: aaron580]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
That pic has always been a controversy here with 2 trains of thought. 1- it is just the lighting making it look black 2- it is black, and its either private purchase or single unit purchase We've never found proof either way, but it looks like a black RIS II to me. AND the black RIS II's come with black rail ladders. Which that one has. So I'm in the single unit/private purchase/its black group |
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Posted: 4/10/2018 6:28:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
I'd be 100% certain it's a unit thing, because why would a guy spend his personal money on a black rail when he is issued a free tan rail? Lol, just like the guy saying the B5 rep said they never supplied coyote stocks. There are WAY to many pictures and use for those to be personal purchases. Dead wrong on that. Gotta be a marine to I'd think with an NT4 up front Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
That pic has always been a controversy here with 2 trains of thought. 1- it is just the lighting making it look black 2- it is black, and its either private purchase or single unit purchase We've never found proof either way, but it looks like a black RIS II to me. AND the black RIS II's come with black rail ladders. Which that one has. So I'm in the single unit/private purchase/its black group Army gun for sure.
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Posted: 4/10/2018 6:42:05 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580: Hasn't it been said that black rails haven't been used in the wild? I guess this pic proves otherwise? |
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Posted: 4/10/2018 7:16:21 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Unit does make more sense. But I believe that's probably an older Army gun because they used to be issued NT4's, the USMC uses almost exclusively the PEQ-16 and almost exclusively KAC rear. That ones got an LA-5, Matech rear, and pic has been around long enough for the NT4 to make sense. Army gun for sure. |
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Posted: 4/10/2018 8:17:21 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stukas87:
Especially since that pic was 2012 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stukas87:
Originally Posted By aaron580: Hasn't it been said that black rails haven't been used in the wild? I guess this pic proves otherwise? |
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Posted: 4/10/2018 10:01:19 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Ah yes. That makes sense, but didn't the peq 16 come online in or around 2013/14 for the marines though? Army has been using the socom since what, about 2013? Pardon my ignorance but I'm going off what I remember seeing from various posts Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Unit does make more sense. But I believe that's probably an older Army gun because they used to be issued NT4's, the USMC uses almost exclusively the PEQ-16 and almost exclusively KAC rear. That ones got an LA-5, Matech rear, and pic has been around long enough for the NT4 to make sense. Army gun for sure. That timing sounds about right on the RC though. |
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Posted: 4/10/2018 10:25:03 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Wasn't that your rifle or just one you took a picture of? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By Stukas87:
Originally Posted By aaron580: Hasn't it been said that black rails haven't been used in the wild? I guess this pic proves otherwise? Army SF yet. Good chance that was personally purchased. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 8:52:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 762hunter2]
[#37]
Some army guys cool enough to wear flannel on duty, running noveske uppers on their M4A1s
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Posted: 4/11/2018 12:54:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/11/2018 1:39:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VeryTraumatic]
[#39]
How often do we see aftermarket trigger guards in the wild?
EDIT: Also interested in sightings of ambi mag releases and non-Colt ambi safety selectors. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 2:22:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex:
S&B Short Dot http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Jeff_Gurwitch_AR-15_M4A1_Carbine_Tactical_Accessories_DefenseReview.com_DR_Pic_A.jpg |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 2:37:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cmcflex]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cjwwd2:
Wasn't that Stukas' gun? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cjwwd2:
Originally Posted By cmcflex:
S&B Short Dot http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Jeff_Gurwitch_AR-15_M4A1_Carbine_Tactical_Accessories_DefenseReview.com_DR_Pic_A.jpg I do have another pic saved of S&B Short Dot on a M4A1...I will see if I can find it to add. ETA: 
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Posted: 4/11/2018 4:15:04 PM EDT
[#42]
I think my carpet is coyote brown.
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Posted: 4/11/2018 4:40:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Stukas87]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cjwwd2: Wasn't that Stukas' gun? in the pics above. Rifle feaured here in SWAT Starting page 42..Enjoy |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 10:27:41 PM EDT
[#44]
Hey Brownells has the Coyote gov issue stocks in stock right now. I ordered the correct one this time!
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Posted: 4/11/2018 11:05:22 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wpierce:
Hey Brownells has the Coyote gov issue stocks in stock right now. I ordered the correct one this time! |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 11:13:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wpierce]
[#46]
https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/stock-parts/buttstocks/ar-15-government-issue-sopmod-stock-collapsible-mil-spec-prod117746.aspx
The link wasn’t working before unless you manually copy the text and enter into your browser. AR15 uses a redirect for some reason. Or just go on Brownells and search for sopmod and make sure you select the goverment issue one. |
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Posted: 4/12/2018 8:49:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: sanman28]
[#47]
So is the go-to sight still the elcan....or is it now a variable like a vcog or a loopy mk8? What would a big swinging *ick tier 1 want if given option for 1 for his 14.5 block II? Its hard to imagine there are so many different optic in use.
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Posted: 4/12/2018 9:50:17 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wpierce:
https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/stock-parts/buttstocks/ar-15-government-issue-sopmod-stock-collapsible-mil-spec-prod117746.aspx The link wasn’t working before unless you manually copy the text and enter into your browser. AR15 uses a redirect for some reason. Or just go on Brownells and search for sopmod and make sure you select the goverment issue one. Try this embedded link... |
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Posted: 4/12/2018 4:15:20 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sanman28:
So is the go-to sight still the elcan....or is it now a variable like a vcog or a loopy mk8? What would a big swinging *ick tier 1 want if given option for 1 for his 14.5 block II? Its hard to imagine there are so many different optic in use. |
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Posted: 4/12/2018 6:23:32 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 762hunter2: Just pick the clone correct optic that you want to spend the money for. No reason to buy an Elcan if you really want a kahles k16 |
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