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Posted: 2/3/2010 8:54:31 AM EDT
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You probably won't use it very much since it's a Colt, but it's nice to have ..
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Posted: 2/3/2010 8:58:26 AM EDT
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yea, I mean...sh1t happens. You have to have a way to manually push the bolt forward. If its not a weapon with a cycling charging handle.....GOTTA have a FA in my opinion
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Posted: 2/3/2010 9:00:37 AM EDT
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Eugene Stoner hated the idea. He said if your bolt didn't close, you had not done proper maintenence and your rifle should be cleaned. The Army made him put it on anyway.
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Posted: 2/3/2010 9:01:12 AM EDT
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What lube were you using?
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Posted: 2/3/2010 9:01:31 AM EDT
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You say it wouldn't have happened if you used Rem oil. What lube were you using? CLP?
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Posted: 2/3/2010 9:16:35 AM EDT
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I thrashed a couple rounds by blindly hitting the FA when I had a stoppage...since then, I dont use it unless I rode the charging handle forward...
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Posted: 2/3/2010 9:20:12 AM EDT
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I thrashed a couple rounds by blindly hitting the FA when I had a stoppage...since then, I dont use it unless I rode the charging handle forward... SPORTS You're supposed to tap the FA after releasing the bolt. If the bolt doesn't go all the way forward then you start from the beginning again. |
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Posted: 2/3/2010 9:23:18 AM EDT
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Eugene Stoner hated the idea. He said if your bolt didn't close, you had not done proper maintenence and your rifle should be cleaned. The Army made him put it on anyway. that was my argument! All I was thinking when it would not close was what if I had a pack of coyotes or black bear around me, lol. My new argument is, use the fa when it is needed & then clean it well when you are in the clear. Btw, I was using ezox synthetic, from the oil can. |
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Posted: 2/3/2010 9:37:00 AM EDT
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Stoner's argument was sound logic, but sometimes you might be caught without a chance to do maintenance and you need the damn bolt to close - right now! So, we live with it, cuss it and despise it but it's always there patiently waiting to save our asses.
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Posted: 2/3/2010 9:52:05 AM EDT
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Eugene Stoner hated the idea. He said if your bolt didn't close, you had not done proper maintenence and your rifle should be cleaned. The Army made him put it on anyway. that was my argument! All I was thinking when it would not close was what if I had a pack of coyotes or black bear around me, lol. My new argument is, use the fa when it is needed & then clean it well when you are in the clear. Btw, I was using ezox synthetic, from the oil can. I don't know anything about ezox synthetic, but all FA arguments aside, if the lube your using can't handle the cold where you're at, I'd opt for a different lube. Down here in hot 'n humid East Texas, I use mostly generous amounts of CLP. |
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Posted: 2/3/2010 9:58:09 AM EDT
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In dire situations, revert to your secondary.
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Posted: 2/3/2010 10:02:46 AM EDT
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I thrashed a couple rounds by blindly hitting the FA when I had a stoppage...since then, I dont use it unless I rode the charging handle forward... SPORTS You're supposed to tap the FA after releasing the bolt. If the bolt doesn't go all the way forward then you start from the beginning again. I was just thinking SPORTS lol. S. slap the magazine P. pull the charging handle O. observe the chamber R. release the charging handle T. tap the forward assist S. Sight Shoot and Kill!! |
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Posted: 2/3/2010 10:04:52 AM EDT
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Eugene Stoner hated the idea. He said if your bolt didn't close, you had not done proper maintenence and your rifle should be cleaned. The Army made him put it on anyway. that was my argument! All I was thinking when it would not close was what if I had a pack of coyotes or black bear around me, lol. My new argument is, use the fa when it is needed & then clean it well when you are in the clear. Btw, I was using ezox synthetic, from the oil can. I don't know anything about ezox synthetic, but all FA arguments aside, if the lube your using can't handle the cold where your at, I'd opt for a different lube. Down here in hot 'n humid East Texas, I use mostly CLP. I'm going to a lighter oil also. The coldest temp. I shot in was in the high 20's, low 30's. I wasn't prepared for it since it was a last minuet plan, should have thought ahead. |
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Posted: 2/3/2010 10:57:01 AM EDT
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Eugene Stoner hated the idea. He said if your bolt didn't close, you had not done proper maintenence and your rifle should be cleaned. The Army made him put it on anyway. All I was thinking when it would not close was what if I had a pack of coyotes or black bear around me, I assure you that's it's much worse when what's around are a number of armed men intent on killing you. Which is precisely why Mr. Stoner's failure to include some way of manually closing the bolt and his "argument" were both foolish. |
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Posted: 2/3/2010 12:00:13 PM EDT
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Isnt break free CLP supposed to be good to go in freezinb temps?
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Posted: 2/3/2010 12:22:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: You probably won't use it very much since it's a Colt, but it's nice to have ..  That's funny. |
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Posted: 2/3/2010 3:03:31 PM EDT
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I've been using Eezox for about fifteen years in temps down to -10* on many guns including ARs. The only gun that didn't like it in the cold was a new Sig 210 at about 0*. Even the Les Baer 1911s were OK with it in the cold. It is important you use it as directed - apply, let dry and wipe off any excess. It is possible it got mixed with something else in the gun. It eventually gets under any other lube or residue that is on the metal and lifts it off.
I have no commercial interest in Eezox. It is just that it works so well I hate to see it get a bad rap if it is not deserved. Weaponshield also works well in the cold but does not have the corrosion protection of Eezox. For guns that may get condensation in hard to reach places I prefer the Eezox. |
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Posted: 2/3/2010 3:07:15 PM EDT
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i love colts
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Posted: 2/3/2010 3:09:21 PM EDT
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You probably won't use it very much since it's a Colt, but it's nice to have ..
That's funny. 
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Posted: 2/3/2010 3:13:28 PM EDT
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I've been using Eezox for about fifteen years in temps down to -10* on many guns including ARs. The only gun that didn't like it in the cold was a new Sig 210 at about 0*. Even the Les Baer 1911s were OK with it in the cold. It is important you use it as directed - apply, let dry and wipe off any excess. It is possible it got mixed with something else in the gun. It eventually gets under any other lube or residue that is on the metal and lifts it off. I have no commercial interest in Eezox. It is just that it works so well I hate to see it get a bad rap if it is not deserved. Weaponshield also works well in the cold but does not have the corrosion protection of Eezox. For guns that may get condensation in hard to reach places I prefer the Eezox. I'm with ya brotha, ezox is amazing stuff. Could be that I applied too much, forgot to wipe (opse  ), or didn't wipe enough off. I will never stop using it.
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Posted: 2/3/2010 3:26:17 PM EDT
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What they say about carrying a firearm with you also applies to the FA on an AR: Better to have it and not need it than to not have it and need it.
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Posted: 2/3/2010 4:26:50 PM EDT
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Eugene Stoner hated the idea. He said if your bolt didn't close, you had not done proper maintenence and your rifle should be cleaned. The Army made him put it on anyway. Wasn't the M16 pitched to the Army as a weapon that didn't need cleaning? |
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Posted: 2/3/2010 5:40:07 PM EDT
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Eugene Stoner hated the idea. He said if your bolt didn't close, you had not done proper maintenence and your rifle should be cleaned. The Army made him put it on anyway. Wasn't the M16 pitched to the Army as a weapon that didn't need cleaning? No, it was pitched as one that needed less cleaning. And with the IMR powder the test ammo was loaded with, it really did only need a little maintenance now and then. But the Army changed everything to ball powder, which is sooty and filthy, and therein lay the deaths of hundreds of GIs in Vietnam because Ordnance was pissy about the whole thing. And Stoner was an engineer (and a very good one), but not a soldier. He didn't think "worst case" as a matter of course, the way a soldier needs to. Ideally, the steel-lined, aluminum barrel he designed should have made the gun only 2/3 the weight is is and still have held up, but Ordnance made sure it didn't and multiple-layer barrels don't seem to have been tried ever again. |
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Posted: 2/3/2010 6:13:19 PM EDT
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Eugene Stoner was a Marine in WW II.
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Posted: 2/4/2010 4:03:08 AM EDT
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Eugene Stoner was a Marine in WW II. Yes he was. But when he was acting as a weapons designer, he was thinking like and engineer. He also applied the rules the USMC instilled in him as givens; religious weapon maintenance was expected in his design. He just used materials and designs that would take less of that maintenance-and thus expected that the gun would never need help locking the bolt. |
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Posted: 2/4/2010 9:27:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I thrashed a couple rounds by blindly hitting the FA when I had a stoppage...since then, I dont use it unless I rode the charging handle forward... SPORTS You're supposed to tap the FA after releasing the bolt. If the bolt doesn't go all the way forward then you start from the beginning again. I was just thinking SPORTS lol. S. slap the magazine P. pull the charging handle O. observe the chamber R. release the charging handle T. tap the forward assist S. Sight Shoot and Kill!! I did SPRTS |
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Posted: 2/4/2010 2:34:50 PM EDT
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Eugene Stoner hated the idea. He said if your bolt didn't close, you had not done proper maintenence and your rifle should be cleaned. The Army made him put it on anyway. I don't think Eugene Stoner ever carried one into battle either. |
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Posted: 2/8/2010 5:56:35 PM EDT
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Eugene Stoner hated the idea. He said if your bolt didn't close, you had not done proper maintenence and your rifle should be cleaned. The Army made him put it on anyway. Ideally, the steel-lined, aluminum barrel he designed should have made the gun only 2/3 the weight is is and still have held up, but Ordnance made sure it didn't and multiple-layer barrels don't seem to have been tried ever again. LW Ultralight 
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Posted: 2/8/2010 7:39:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I've been using Eezox for about fifteen years in temps down to -10* on many guns including ARs. The only gun that didn't like it in the cold was a new Sig 210 at about 0*. Even the Les Baer 1911s were OK with it in the cold. It is important you use it as directed - apply, let dry and wipe off any excess. It is possible it got mixed with something else in the gun. It eventually gets under any other lube or residue that is on the metal and lifts it off. I have no commercial interest in Eezox. It is just that it works so well I hate to see it get a bad rap if it is not deserved. Weaponshield also works well in the cold but does not have the corrosion protection of Eezox. For guns that may get condensation in hard to reach places I prefer the Eezox. I'm with ya brotha, ezox is amazing stuff. Could be that I applied too much, forgot to wipe (opse ), or didn't wipe enough off. I will never stop using it. You had to have had to much on it, or it was mixing with something else. It functions from +450F to -95F. If to much is applied it will be sticky. |
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Posted: 2/8/2010 8:52:45 PM EDT
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Could he have used too little and this caused the problem?
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Posted: 2/9/2010 4:42:43 PM EDT
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That's very interesting. But I was talking about (though I didn't say it explicitly) large scale production guns.
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Eugene Stoner hated the idea. He said if your bolt didn't close, you had not done proper maintenence and your rifle should be cleaned. The Army made him put it on anyway. Ideally, the steel-lined, aluminum barrel he designed should have made the gun only 2/3 the weight is is and still have held up, but Ordnance made sure it didn't and multiple-layer barrels don't seem to have been tried ever again. LW Ultralight http://www.lothar-walther.com/brcms/bilddaten/bild4494_2.jpg |
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