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here are some "facts" that i heard directly from the salesman at the 2008 shot show:
1) no torture testing had been done (ie. 5000+ rounds). often times the shearing of the carrier key does not occur right away.
2) no testing at all had been done with a suppressor. ares kits have been know to completely blow the piston out of the spigot, and the piston getting stuck on the lip of the spigot upon carrier return. i have seen this personally. in the case that i witnessed, the suppressor being used was a surefire. the ares has gas vent holes...the osprey does not...testing is fundamental in this application.
i held the unit...saw the unit...listened to the salesman.
thumbs down. i dislike salesmen that blow "operator" smoke, and then admit they have not done the proper testing. if it is meant for operators...then test it for operators...lives are on the line.
all this theoretical testing and talk is vaporware. post videos of actual tests being conducted.
go to youtube, and look up "adams gas piston". lots of people testing the unit. proof is in the pudding...not blueprints, and gas capacity tests, etc. only real world tests with a wide variety of ammo (from dirty wolf to mk262) counts.
you will even find robert at talonarms with his own video tests of the adams arms unit. i find it funny, since talon arms is supposed to carry the osprey, and he does not have a video test of him running an osprey system.
note: i have owned and tested pof, lwrc, ares, and soon the adams piston systems. so i like piston systems. |
bb,
I will answer this backwards.
First, you are correct that I don't have video of OPS-416 yet. Right now, we are taking pre-orders for reservations only as they are not available yet. The latest updates from Osprey is that a final battery of T&E will be performed over the coming weeks and production units will be shipping shortly after.
As for the Adams videos on youtube, yes, you will see more and more as time goes by. The Adams system is great. I freaking love it!
Any piston conversion that is commercially available at this point can be found on youtube. You can't compare that with Osprey as they have not started shipping production units yet. When they are available, we will post vids for sure.
Also, don't put much stock in SHOT show talk. That was almost six months ago. Since then, they have had some real world testing of prototypes. How much and under what circumstances, I can't say because I don't know. Production units will be tested by different groups over the coming weeks. Talon Arms will be monitoring testing by two LE groups in Texas.
The bottom line is that any speculation on the OPS-416 is wasted energy at this point. Until we have a production unit in our hands, we can only assume good or bad things about it. What impresses me is the fact that Osprey has not just made a system and sold it waiting for the end consumers to find any week spots. They are doing things slowly, but they are doing it right. The only thing I am concerned with at the end of the day is a bunch of happy customers.
On that note, a lot of people have asked why we are selling both the Adams and the Osprey. Simple, the more options we have, the better position we are in to fill your needs! Talon Arms is positioned to sell an LWRC for anyone looking for a complete rifle or factory built upper receiver, Adams for someone looking for a conversion kit that will work with a mid-length and many free float rails and Osprey as a drop in kit for a mil-spec type upper.
The OPS-416 is not a perfect conversion kit. Nor is any other that I have seen. The object is to get the best conversion kit for the upper you have, or build a new one with the features you need. As far as we are concerned, we like what we have seen from Osprey which is why we have chosen to represent them.
I think that when they final production units ship, you will be happy with what they offer, even if you like something else better for your needs. I am currently running two Adams systems and plan on an OPS-416 for a S&W MP15 with M4 handguards and an A2 front sight post. The OPS-416 is my only option to convert it to a piston without swapping the FSB. I have room in my safe for more than one version.
R