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Posted: 3/30/2006 12:03:43 AM EDT
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You forgot the other option, they are being sold by ATF agents and they dont accept PO Boxes as addresses... you figure out what happens after you sign for the package.
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Posted: 3/30/2006 8:00:50 AM EDT
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I think you should get one of each and report back on which is best.
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Posted: 3/30/2006 8:02:24 AM EDT
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You can legally own one.
Provided you don't own an AR15. Or provided its a legal one and you pay the $200 transfer fee on it. |
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Posted: 3/30/2006 8:04:03 AM EDT
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I dont know the ad you are talking about, but, if it was in circulation before 86, then it is legally transferable, and if it is new, than it can be purchased and installed by anyone licensed to do so.
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Posted: 3/30/2006 8:06:57 AM EDT
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THIS IS A BATF STING that has been going on for YEARS
There are no legally transferable Pre 86 drop in sears PERIOD |
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Posted: 3/30/2006 8:08:39 AM EDT
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 I guess mine is illegal then? 
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Posted: 3/30/2006 8:14:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/30/2006 8:32:02 AM EDT
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+1 I don't know anyone who's bought one yet so your write up would be my sole source of information. my understanding is that one of the sellers was in business, but was involved in an ATF sting (in Michigan maybe?) and got nabbed. If you can reach them on the phone, buy one. We'll enjoy the report and throw you a party in a decade or so 
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Posted: 3/30/2006 9:34:17 AM EDT
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Cragius, who do YOU work for????????? Hmm, Sept 2005, 26 posts. . . . just enough for us to think. . . NAHHH!!!
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Posted: 3/30/2006 9:43:06 AM EDT
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yeah ive seen those, iseen that they changed to adress to to michagian address, the p.o. box in previous issues of SGN used to be sent to virginia where the BATF homw headquarters is.
lol dont buy 1 |
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Posted: 3/30/2006 12:52:20 PM EDT
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If the ads do not say "Registered Drop in Autosear," RDIAS, and require a $200 transfer fee through a class 3 NFA dealer, then leave them alone and do not think about them again. The purchase price will be in thousands of dollars as well.
The bottom line is that the autosear or auto-disconnector itself MAY be legal, depending on the date it was made (though it is often impossible to tell). HOWEVER, you still can not install one (or own an AR) as it requires all the other M16 parts and that would be creating a machine gun illegally. Read - Club Fed. RDIAS's are legal as they are registered as a machine gun. |
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Posted: 3/30/2006 12:55:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/30/2006 1:29:17 PM EDT
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Yeah, I always laugh at those ads! $105 for a DIAS... Can you say "ATF!"
I don't even think those are legal to own if you DON'T own an AR-15. The aparatus by itself is probably enough evidence for "intent to manufacture." |
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Posted: 3/30/2006 5:08:03 PM EDT
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This thread smells like bacon
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Posted: 3/30/2006 7:24:53 PM EDT
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+1 Howdy Mr or Mrs BATF agent  PWNED And a quick question while I have your ear, why does it take so long to process a C&R liscence? |
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Posted: 3/30/2006 7:35:15 PM EDT
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If I remember the ad correctly, isn't the SGN DIAS COD only? If that is the case, I can almost guess which letters of the alphabet will be in the delivering government agency's name when the COD DIAS arrives at one's house. Furthermore, I would bet good money that they will be armed with a search warrant too! Unregistered DIAS+AR-15 = being someone's "cute" cell mate for the next 10 years.
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Posted: 3/30/2006 7:35:53 PM EDT
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Randy Weever's baby killing fuckers!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 3/30/2006 7:36:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/30/2006 7:40:55 PM EDT
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Anyone ever wonder if anti-gunners put this shit in SGN to make us look bad?
Just a thought. I honestly don't think anyone is dumb enough to order one. - BG |
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Posted: 3/30/2006 8:37:56 PM EDT
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Same as owning a hacksaw, and a shotgun. Look out!  Bill T.
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Posted: 3/30/2006 9:14:36 PM EDT
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So back before 86 you could order DIAS out of magazine with no questions asked? How much did that cost? If I wasn't 1 year old I would have bought one.
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Posted: 3/30/2006 9:48:12 PM EDT
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You still had to pay the $200 transfer tax if you did not have a Class 3 SOT license. I believe in 1986 they were going for less than $100. |
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Posted: 3/30/2006 9:58:28 PM EDT
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LOL, Thats a good one. |
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Posted: 3/30/2006 10:23:30 PM EDT
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Why does SGN allow these BATF entrapment ads in their mag?
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Posted: 3/30/2006 10:32:07 PM EDT
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SGN allows lots of paid advertisments, the company has been selling these things for years. They pay for the adds, SGN makes money.
These units are perfectly legal to own, no legal way to use them in a gun anymore. Paperweights. |
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Posted: 3/30/2006 10:41:19 PM EDT
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I worked on a case once where a fellow had a firearms conviction for exactly this situation! He ordered some drop in auto sears....you know the rest of the story!
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Posted: 3/31/2006 12:18:50 AM EDT
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If you posses an unregistered DIAS (Doesn't matter when it was made) and an AR then, in the eyes of the ATF, you intend to construct an unregistered machinegun which is the same as actually having constructed one. If the DIAS was manufactured after the ATF classified them as a machinegun conversion part then it, by itself, is enough to get you jail time. (Unless of course you are a manufacturer who has paid the SOT, then it's a post sample conversion part) I agree with all above in thinking it's an ATF entrapment. (Wait... they wouldn't do that. Would they?)
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Posted: 3/31/2006 2:18:20 AM EDT
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Well, if it's the ATF selling it, it must be registered to them some how.
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Posted: 3/31/2006 5:23:23 AM EDT
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I don't know if they are an ATF sting or not, but if they are not, I would suspect that they keep a close eye on it anyway. These days at least. I actually know of someone who bought one many years ago. No one showed up to the door and he had a lot of fun with it until he was advised it was illegal, at which point it was destroyed. Like I said, that was a long time ago, long before 9/11. I really, really wish I knew in 1986 what I know now. I'd have bought as many of them as I could have. Oh well, we all wish we had 20/20 hindsight.
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Posted: 3/31/2006 5:48:54 AM EDT
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FWIW, the current opinion of th ATF is these sears are machine guns all by themselves. Does not matter when they were made, registered or not. They are machine guns. Here is an ad from 70s SGN before they were ruled MGs, and you could buy them OTC (still had to register your gun, etc.).
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Posted: 3/31/2006 5:56:22 AM EDT
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What happened to special agent Cragius?
I was kind of curious as to how many (normally) law-abiding firearms owners you guys nab with this shit... |
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Posted: 3/31/2006 6:02:57 AM EDT
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Its not bad enough you harrass law-abiding citizens, kick our doors, grope our wives and kill our puppys.....but do you HAVE to go jailing stupid people too? Jesus
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Posted: 3/31/2006 6:12:10 AM EDT
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jeez, it's you're You'd think they'd have an editor look for those things. |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 7:22:57 PM EDT
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i remeber these thing at the bottom after the mailing address said " TPF" in bold lettters
i think that means "to prison fast!!" lol |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 7:36:59 PM EDT
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Pre-1981 you could order them out of mags. Prior to 1981, most "conversion" kits were not classified as MGs in and of themselves. Later, ATF would rule that conversion kits like LL, DIAS, Glock Switches and the T17 (M1 Carbine) were themselves MGs. |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 7:37:11 PM EDT
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Cragius
Member Joined :: September 2005 Post Number :: 26 MD, USA No one is bothered by the fact, or even seems to notice that the guy who started this thread, like most others that start these threads about DIAS's, have very low post counts, and appears to be from the Washington, DC area? |
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Posted: 4/4/2006 12:19:29 AM EDT
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The Pre-81 sears are grandfathered in, not machineguns, the same thing post 81 is a machinegun. SGN adds are selling pre-81 grandfathered sears. |
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Posted: 4/4/2006 12:20:31 AM EDT
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Actually we don't know the rest of the story, please link us to the online court case and verdict so we may study it ourselves. |
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Posted: 4/4/2006 12:22:36 AM EDT
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No I am not bothered by the fact that an inexperienced young shooter would not understand some legal issues and would turn towards the best M16 information base in the world to gain understanding by asking beginner level questions. Now If a person with 5000 posts was asking this question I would be suspicious. |
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Posted: 4/4/2006 12:30:22 AM EDT
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Bullshit. The ATF doesn't "grandfather in" what it determines to be a machine gun. If you're right, and I'm wrong, so be it. But if I'm right, and you're wrong, your careless statement could land some trusting idiot in prison. |
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Posted: 4/4/2006 4:51:37 AM EDT
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Evening Actually I came over from AK-47.net. I always liked the AK for its simplicity, but Darn it all, everything on the AR just fits right. Easy magazine ejection, lighter weight, and GOD there are alot of accessories out there! Still not sure if I would use an AR for my SHTF rifle but for a range toy....Heck Yeah! |
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Posted: 4/4/2006 5:49:50 AM EDT
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The sears come with a letter from the ATF stating their legallity. You are in fact WRONG. I have read the letter that comes with one have you? Ther is even an ATF letter which states this. AND IT STATES YOU CAN OWN ONE IF YOU OWN AN AR15 WITH SEMI AUTO PARTS. That is CAN as in not illegal to own and own AR15 at same time. |
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