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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:25:54 AM EDT
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I am sure you could find a machinist or gunsmith who would cut and rethread the barrel. Just find one who knows his way around the Black Rifle.
heavy.gif Love the stock, that is nice. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:32:34 AM EDT
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IIRC, that's a 16.5" full length barrel w/ the phantom installed, so you could whack a bit off without the need for a longer FS.
Mike |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:43:05 AM EDT
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Call ADCO or AR15 Barrels and see if they can cut it to 14.5 with Phantom or Vortex, or 15 with an A2 or A1.
Steve |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:43:14 AM EDT
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Whack it off to 14.5", permanently attach the flashhider. That'll bring you out to the legal minimum, but be certain it is a permanent install on that FS.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:50:25 AM EDT
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Ok Guys, I need phone numbers or websites. Plus who do you guys recomend.
Thanks Galil30 |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:50:47 AM EDT
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Forgive the question, but how does that AR work with out a buffer tube?
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:00:36 AM EDT
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AR15.COM INDUSTRY FORUM Scroll down to the Dealer section. Sly |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:00:51 AM EDT
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One of the early piston models. No buffer required. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:01:09 AM EDT
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Gas piston upper  Sly ETA:
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:06:43 AM EDT
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Once again........ZM is not a piston.
It is a modified Morris type system, still direct Imp. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:07:13 AM EDT
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+1 for ADCO Steve rocks  great CS and fast
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:07:32 AM EDT
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ZM weapons: Complete guns, parts and kits for the high quality high priced ZM systems based on the AR15 designs but heavily modified. The ZM weapons use a gas pistom system similar to that of the FAL and the AK47. The folding stock is an Alan Zitta original and is probably one of the best designs ever made. The downside is that these guns and parts kits cost as much as three times the price of a standard AR. On the upside, a ZM derivative needs little or no improvement out of the box, as accessories like the Knight rail system, fore grips, metal folding stocks and low profile removable sites are costly options on standard AR15s. Go here for ZM website http://www.zmweapons.com/index.htm
Bushmaster: Considered by many to be the best parts and parts kits available outside of government contractors. Bushmaster has held government contracts for the manufacture of M4 carbines from time to time and is known for high quality and good service. Their prices are at the upper end of the scale for the more common parts dealers that deal directly with the public and their wholesale pricing is not much better. Their quality is generally good, but quality control has lagged at times, especially when there has been panic buying based on impending legislation and their production facilities were running faster than normal. They are also known to restrict the sale of parts in favor of the sale of complete guns or completed upper receivers (as opposed to selling individual component parts). |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:09:22 AM EDT
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That looks really cool. I have seen one of the older ones before, but that one looks pretty sharp. How reliable is it?
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:33:48 AM EDT
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Okay, I can't argue any of your technical points. You would know better, I don't have one.
Just know that no buffer is required. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:39:45 AM EDT
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I'm missing what it is that you don't like about the barrel. What doesn't it do that you want it to? |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:40:40 AM EDT
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Guys, the GAS SYSTEM is the same (direct gas impingment, NO PISTON) on the ZM guns. What IS different is the RECOIL system, which has been relocated to the upper receiver.
The Olympic Arms OA93 series is very similar, and also does NOT use a piston. -Troy |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:04:18 AM EDT
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I'm not a technical guy, just got the info from the internet.
I just dont like the long skiny barrell. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:27:07 AM EDT
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Well anyway ADCO is highly recommended. I'd have them cut it to 14.5 and perm attach the phantom. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:01:31 AM EDT
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+1 Don't change anything--it's just fine as it is. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:11:34 AM EDT
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The trouble is you have a 16" barrel with an additional 1.5" phantom flash hider on it, so the OAL of the barrel is pushing 18". You could do a lot better by having a gunsmith cut the barrel down to 14.7, then permanently attach a standard A2 flash hider to get the OAL just above 16". Basically, you would be creating a complete barrel with flash hider that would be as long as your current barrel minus the phantom flash hider. It would look a lot better, but won't do much for the pencil profile. Not that familiar with the ZM conversion, so I don't know if it will work with heavier contour barrels or not. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:19:29 AM EDT
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WRONG! As I noted above the ZM comes w/ a 16.5" barrel w/ phantom....  Mike ps - YHM sells these uppers and the specs for them are right there at YHM's website. |
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Posted: 2/16/2006 7:55:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/16/2006 8:05:19 AM EDT
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That is not how you measure a barrel - you need to drop a rod down the bore till it hits the bolt face (make sure the bolt is back and the hammer cocked). Mark the rod at the end of the muzzle. Pull rod out and measure from the mark to the end of the rod.
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Posted: 2/16/2006 8:07:52 AM EDT
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Thanks Forest, I just think is longer them 16.5 even if I did it the right way?
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Posted: 2/16/2006 8:12:38 AM EDT
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I think it is 16.5". Your tape measure lines up right where the Phantom ends. The rest is a sleeve.
Anyway, measuring arguments aside, cut the barrel down to 14.7", then permanently add an A2, as I said. judging by the tape measure, this will shave almost 3 inches from the barrel. It will look much better. |
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Posted: 2/16/2006 8:17:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/16/2006 8:19:03 AM EDT
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So I can used the same flash hidder? just cut the barrell to 14.5 and permanently attach the flashhider?
Thanks Galil30 |
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Posted: 2/16/2006 8:25:38 AM EDT
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Yes! and it will save you $30. |
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Posted: 2/16/2006 8:28:53 AM EDT
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That Phantom seems a little long at 2+ inches...
How could you possibly want to get rid of that sexy ribbed portion of the barrel; hot damn! 
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Posted: 2/16/2006 8:29:43 AM EDT
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I'd tell ya measured wrong, but take your one of those fellas that'd argue w/ a fence post.....  Mike  ETA - www.yankeehillmachine.com/store/lr.html, excerpt below Standard Features: * Caliber .223 * Semi-Automatic * 1 in 9" Rifling * 16.5" Chrome Lined Barrel * Choice of YHM Muzzle Accessory * Skeleton Stock * Multi Sling Mount Points * Flat Top Upper Receiver * Picatinny Full Rail System * Field Strips With NO TOOLS |
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Posted: 2/16/2006 8:33:33 AM EDT
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 Ya that was going to be my original suggestion, but then I saw he was from NY  . |
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Posted: 2/16/2006 8:54:32 AM EDT
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I preferred the look of the old kit. Having 8 miles of barrel sticking out is unsightly. The rails or handguards need to be longer. Where this trend of lots of exposed barrel came from I dont know, but I've always been against it. It's ugly, gives a shorter sight radius and gives you lots of chances to get scorched.
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Posted: 2/17/2006 4:04:29 PM EDT
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+1..... but didn't you mean make sure the bolt is forward. (closed bolt right?) |
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