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Posted: 1/30/2006 9:20:16 PM EDT
[#1]
14.5" 
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Posted: 1/30/2006 9:23:22 PM EDT
[#2]
I like 10.25" myself, but I think the ideal length is probably 11.5"
Don't forget to check over in the Full Auto forum - lots of threads on SBRs over there. |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 9:23:54 PM EDT
[#3]
Leitner-Wise or bust!
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Posted: 1/30/2006 9:35:36 PM EDT
[#4]
11.5"
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Posted: 1/30/2006 9:40:20 PM EDT
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If I go with the 11.5" should I still get a Krink FH installed? I personally like the way they look but don't know if they are really needed at that length...Will I see a significant difference with it installed as opposed to with out? Thanks.
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Posted: 1/30/2006 9:48:14 PM EDT
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They are needed more at that length than on something longer. Shorter = bigger flash and louder perceived "bang". Those aren't requirements to using a KFH; if you like them, use them 
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Posted: 1/30/2006 10:12:03 PM EDT
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You are really talking about personal preference here. For me I felt that if I was going to pay the damned tax stamp I wanted it short!
 
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Posted: 1/30/2006 10:37:37 PM EDT
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I would say 11.5 is the best overall SBR length, but I think PDW's are a civilians.
Who is your barrel and forend by? I'm trying to decied which company should do my PDW parts while my Form 1 is in the process |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 10:38:03 PM EDT
[#9]
Have you not considered a REAL suppressor instead of the Krink?
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Posted: 1/30/2006 10:56:49 PM EDT
[#10]
believe it or not that's a model 1 sales 7.5" pistol upper and has run 100% right from the start. No tweaking needed. It's been a great upper. the lower is a standard RRA stripped lower that I built up with a RRA parts kit.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 12:04:46 AM EDT
[#11]
whats wrong with the krink type? |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 1:24:45 AM EDT
[#12]
You still need hearing protection.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 1:29:17 AM EDT
[#13]
I think the 11.5" AR is the way to go. That's because, I have one.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 2:06:10 AM EDT
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12.5 becuase with the LW piston it goes 9fps FASTER than a M4.......
Simon |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 2:18:11 AM EDT
[#15]
It's f%*king ugly I know I know, function before form... |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 2:39:56 AM EDT
[#16]
Nothing, except it's not a sound suppressor, and it's dumb to get a Krink instead of a sound suppressor just because they happen to be the flavor of the month on arfcom. 
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Posted: 1/31/2006 2:43:29 AM EDT
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and HEAVY! My vote would be 11.5, since that is the length that Colt stops (with very rare exception) and shorter bbls have higher number of reliability issues. There are many SBR's less than 11.5 that are running fine But when I read the 10.5's need tweaking to run correctly, it raises issues in my mind |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 2:53:57 AM EDT
[#18]
3inches in 22 lr. Just enough to thread on a can.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 3:27:14 AM EDT
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Why do you constantly waste our time with this? |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 4:11:59 AM EDT
[#20]
11.5"
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Posted: 1/31/2006 4:20:30 AM EDT
[#21]
+1 |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 4:33:50 AM EDT
[#22]
His father was killed by a KFH with 6 fingers on it's right hand. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:07:19 AM EDT
[#23]
i like my 11.5's. you can use normal length handguards, with a normal FSB, be completely reliable (i've heard of a LOT of issues with the 10.5's and smaller), and still be small enough to manuver just about anywhere. plus, IIRC, some suppressor companies will not warranty their products if used on guns shorter than 11.5". |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:25:40 AM EDT
[#24]
It might help his credibility if he HAD absolutely any experience with the Krink. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:41:06 AM EDT
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OK, what about his post do you disagree with? Do you honestly think there is any reason to use a KFH when you can use a can instead? |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:58:46 AM EDT
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Should I start a list? (1.) Length - Why add the length? It kind of defeats the purpose of a SBR, and takes away all of it's advantages. A Krink added to a 10.5" is only 1 1/4" longer than a 11.5". It just makes sense. (2.) NFA item hassle - I waited eight months for my SBR, plus it's $200 added to the cost of the suppressor. (3.) Cost- $115 (Krink) verses $600-$1200 (Top quality suppressor) - What more do I need to say? (4.) Lack of performance gain - A set of Peltors seems a lot cheaper. Unless you are shooting very expensive subsonic ammo. Contrary to what you see in the movies it's not just a tiny pop when shooting standard ammo. It sounds exactly like a gun being fired. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:06:14 AM EDT
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Is there any reason to think that one is a substitute for the other? One reduces the amount of perceived noise for the shooter in some circumstances and keeps overall length to a relative minimum, and the other significantly reduces the report from the barrel but adds significant length to the gun. I don't see why anyone considering one would remotely consider them competitors as they are not intended to do the same thing, nor marketed as such IMHO. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:06:34 AM EDT
[#28]
My personal pref is 11.5"
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:25:36 AM EDT
[#29]
+1 I could not agree more. It's seems only DevL considers them to be competitors. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:54:35 AM EDT
[#30]
 11.5"... mainly because Gemtech doesn't warranty my M4-96D on shorter bbls. 
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:02:18 AM EDT
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Not to threadjack, but if 11.5 or 10.5, what is better twist rate 1:7 or 1:9. Assume range =55gr, HD = something good like 68gr or heavier?
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Posted: 1/31/2006 9:47:46 AM EDT
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TriggerFish, Have you ever thought about pounding out that front sling swivel? Might stop that anoying rattle. It seems it is no longer in use with your single point sling attachment on the buffer tube...Just a thought. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 11:17:54 AM EDT
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Funny you should mention that... I had just put the Surefire on the KAC rail for the photo today and thought the same thing. I have a spare M4 barrel side mount sling swivel in the big-box-o-stuff that I will put on the CMMG upper 2day. I already took off the sling ring on the Colt buttstock & added the GG&G sling "thingy" at the back of the receiver, so the front side-mount is a no-brainer! 
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Posted: 1/31/2006 11:43:02 AM EDT
[#34]
11.5. effective range out to 75 yards, icepicking targets beyond that. Specialty ammo may give you a bit more range, but not much
absolutlely no shorter than 10.5, or you are left with an inside 25 yard gun. My pistol build 
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Posted: 1/31/2006 12:14:15 PM EDT
[#35]
Thanks Guys, 11.5" it is. I really appreciate all the help. Sometimes you just need that little push! Thanks again.
On a side note, I'm not sure if it was really answered but will a Krink FH be a good idea at this length or is it not really needed on 11" + barrels. Just want to make sure I don't waste any money on this build. Thanks again. -Joe |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 12:18:51 PM EDT
[#36]
It would have the exact same benefits. 1" of barrel is not a cure all to SBR AR problems. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 12:30:50 PM EDT
[#37]
For what it's worth, I switched the stock A2 FH on my 10" SBR out for a Phantom, and there was a very noticable reduction in flash. I'm sure a Krink might be even better, but the Phantom is a lot smaller, shorter and cheaper than a Krink (cost about $25 I believe). Somewhere around here there is a thread with pictures of various flash hiders and their performance, and I think a Phantom for barrels 10" and longer is perfectly fine. Just my opinion. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 12:38:48 PM EDT
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Again the answer is ALL
I have a 11.5 pending approval. I want a 10.02 for a retro. I will get a 14.5 LE6921 soon. I want a shorty for a silenced pisto cal. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 1:10:06 PM EDT
[#39]
Thanks to Bigbore, I was fortunate enough to fire an SBR with suppressor two weekends ago. I'm very hearing paranoid, so I wore my Peltors. I did stand nearby without hearing protection when he and another buddy fired it. It does sound like a rifle being fired, but more along the lines of a .22. I would say that a suppressor does significantly reduce the sound signature. BTW, with his setup, you can use a Krink when the suppressor isn't being used. It's on my shopping list. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 1:35:03 PM EDT
[#40]
Thanks Stony, I thought that was you in Bigbore's pictures. I totally agree that a suppressor significantly reduces the sound signature; just not to the degree some on ARFCOM (Not you or Bigbore) would lead us to believe. The .22 analogy seems about perfect to me. Keep safe Stony. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 3:33:43 PM EDT
[#41]
It it was that day with Stony that inspired the modification to my extended gas system SBR.  I listened to his comments about the balance and feel of my SBR, and what he liked about his Carbine. With this set up, Stony can run the DD 12.0 FSP that he likes, with an 11.5" barrel and a QD suppressor and have the balance, function and ergonomics of a carbine with the can attached, and compactness of an SBR, while keeping the ergonomics hes used to. Best of both worlds In his line of work, where and SBR is used in vehicles, leave teh can off, when you get out, snap it on. I know if I built that upper using a RRA UTE2 receiver, it would be his dream SBR |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 5:18:59 PM EDT
[#42]
LMT 10.5" gets my vote.
I do not like the "Krink" for several reasons. 1. It's ugly 2. Too Heavy 3. Too big 4. Not a true FH |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:25:34 PM EDT
[#43]
As I said that day, I'm going to have to spend an extra month in Iraq just to pay for the goodies I'm going to be buying from you. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:29:19 PM EDT
[#44]
I suggest you stop listening to the ARFCOM "Experts" who post their opinion on products they have never seen and try one for yourself. I firmly believe you will see the light so to speak. I also could not care less what anything looks like (Within Reason), just as long as it performs. I'm also a little baffled by your "Not a true FH" comment. What does that mean? |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:50:56 PM EDT
[#45]
I vote 14.5" |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:11:59 PM EDT
[#46]
I'm sorry, but listening to the ARFCOM "Experts" has given you some incorrect information. The Noveske Krink is at least the equal to a standard A2 in regards to flash suppression. Plus the Krink has all it’s other advantages. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 9:45:07 PM EDT
[#47]
I'm just not fan of the Krink. If you like yours that's great. If I wanted to change the standard A2 FS on my LMT, I'd probably put on a Phantom that I have laying around. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:51:42 AM EDT
[#48]
have a picture? it's just hard to believe but seeing is believing! |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:00:31 AM EDT
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I'll try to get one this week. Flashes are a BITCH to photo, as the frame rate of most digital cameras isnt quick enough to catch them. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:03:20 AM EDT
[#50]
i just looked on silencertests.com but he hadn't used one yet.
rsilvers takes great photos. there's a ton of detail even in the ones where there are huge fireballs. really nice photography. maybe somoene needs to send him one. i'd like to see. |
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