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Posted: 1/21/2006 6:05:58 PM EDT
[#1]
Great shit.
the last case I opened has: sealant, haven't tested it though. NATO brass crimped canelure <2"@100ADL There is an Ammo forum |
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Posted: 1/21/2006 6:07:13 PM EDT
[#2]
I like the stuff. It's run in my rifles before.
Fact is, when the chips are down decent ammo that works is better than no ammo at all. As long as it cycles, you use what you have, imo. |
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Posted: 1/21/2006 6:16:39 PM EDT
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Yes...never had a single problem with it.
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Posted: 1/21/2006 7:35:52 PM EDT
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Decent ammo but it wouldn't be my first choice for a SHTF situation. XM193 is not impossible to find. Just a little pricey but if you want it just to store just in case a little extra money is worth the piece of mind. I would go w/ Black Hills Blue Box over Fed AE if you cant get XM193. I keep some TAP and XM193 on hand just in case.
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Posted: 1/21/2006 7:39:38 PM EDT
[#5]
Wouldn't be my first choice, but if I didn't have a choice I'd be glad to use it.
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Posted: 1/21/2006 7:44:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2006 7:56:44 PM EDT
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I have had good results with American Eagle, UMC, Winchester white box, S. African battle packs, and Black Hills. Nothing bad to say about any of these.
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Posted: 1/21/2006 8:14:30 PM EDT
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+1 for AE, it rules for plinking and the 55gr should be fine for self defense. I've purchased probably 4000 rnds of 55gr and 62gr over the last couple years and I've yet to see a single problem which is amazing.
Shot some 55gr out to 700 yds today and it didn't drop nearly as fast as I thought it would, it was a lot of fun. Normally I use it for 75yd and 100yd shooting and have a lot of fun. - rem |
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Posted: 1/21/2006 8:24:26 PM EDT
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Black Hills OTM would be my first choice, with Q3131 running close second.
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Posted: 1/21/2006 8:44:41 PM EDT
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I trust my life to God and proper shot placement. It wouldn't be my first choice, but I've got someAE223 laying around that I wouldn't hesitate to use if there was no choice.
I'm with heavytank2 in that I would spend a little more to get a premium round like the 68-77 grain from Black Hills if money were an issue. A mag or 2 of the good stuff and making sure it will function in your weapon is money well spent. XM193 and Q3131A still dominate my stockpiles, but I have no shame in shooting just about anything. |
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Posted: 1/21/2006 8:48:27 PM EDT
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Umm I don't know what 'Specs' your reading buy my chrono puts the AE at a significantly lower MV. Don't confuste the 3200fps from a 24" test barrel for the AE vs the 3200 fps M193 spec from a 20" GI barrel. That's apples to oranges. BTW AE will fragment somewhat, there was a recent post on it as well as test results on Federal's website. Not my first choices. But if I used up my first choice (all my 75gr stocks) then my secondary stocks (Q3131A - the IMI M193), and I had to choose between AE or Wolf or Remington 55gr I'd take the AE. |
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Posted: 1/21/2006 8:51:01 PM EDT
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Indeed. From Bushmaster's website, they have 3315 fps for M193 fired through 24" barrel. (3259 fps through 20" barrel) |
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Posted: 1/21/2006 8:53:28 PM EDT
[#13]
Yes I would
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Posted: 1/21/2006 9:09:08 PM EDT
[#14]
It's Federal. That means that it is quality. Yes, I prefer XM193, but I'm hoarding that stuff right now. I wouldn't feel uneasy using AE. Me and some pals shot an IPSC rifle match with nothing but AE and had no problems. And these rifles were dirty!
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Posted: 1/21/2006 9:17:04 PM EDT
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It's good ammo, I used about 1600rds of it during a class... No problems.
I would run with anything as long as it isn't the 62gr green tip. Shot placement is really the key though. |
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Posted: 1/21/2006 10:07:48 PM EDT
[#16]
yup, no prolems here.
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Posted: 1/21/2006 11:30:11 PM EDT
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if it does damage, yeah
i'd take a .22lr if thats what was left, hell even rocks 
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Posted: 1/22/2006 2:40:10 AM EDT
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1st - wow! 1,600 rounds is a busy class.  and 2nd, what problems do you have w/ green tip? |
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Posted: 1/22/2006 4:54:41 AM EDT
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The Federal datasheet shows the velocity approximately the same
http://www.miragetechnologies.net/PDF%20Files/XM193%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf Unfortunately, they appear to be using different length barrels! Like a previous poster said, apples and oranges. When they say "AR15" barrel, I am guessing this means the comparison was between a 24" and a 20" barrel. |
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Posted: 1/22/2006 5:20:21 AM EDT
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Thanks! I'm glad somebody pointed that out! w00t! |
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Posted: 1/22/2006 5:23:52 AM EDT
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Green tip is my last choice too, but I wouldn't throw my weapon down and run if that's all that I had! I'm always amazed at the people who actually want that ammo on this site! 
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Posted: 1/22/2006 7:31:30 AM EDT
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My first tier HD ammo is M855  . The reason is I have current production IMI M855 and it gets bumped to the top over the XM193 only because of consistency and reliability issues.
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Posted: 1/22/2006 7:33:12 AM EDT
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You are kidding right? |
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Posted: 1/22/2006 7:35:17 AM EDT
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Dam, I think 3 well placed shots center mast of anything would take someone down?
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Posted: 1/22/2006 7:47:08 AM EDT
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A little. haps Really though, does anyone here have any real world data that 6-7" of penetration on a badguy is insufficient? I have a hard time seeing that this would not be sufficient to stop an intruder. I pay careful attention to what those in the know say about ammunition on this forum, and I am very close to blasting it away purely because 99% of the folks here advise against 40gr HP for anything other than varmints. I only have 40 rounds or so... |
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Posted: 1/22/2006 7:58:27 AM EDT
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But with the pitch and yaw of the ship, 3 shots center mast could take a whole mag to do. Or were you thinking center mass? 
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Posted: 1/22/2006 8:19:04 AM EDT
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You are presuming he is going to present a target chest forward with nothing between you and the chest. What if he is bladed and has an arm between you and his side? That puts his vitals beyond the maximum penetration you specified. |
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Posted: 1/22/2006 8:38:08 AM EDT
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Not unless I had to.
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Posted: 1/22/2006 9:06:40 AM EDT
[#31]
I dont think you BAD GUY could tell if he was Hit in the head with AE 55 or M193
IS MONEY A FACTOR? AE55 wouldnt be my first pick but if you cant get M193/M855/ss109 then go for it Might try BTHP/SP Federals 69bthp shoots great out of 1/9 bushwacker that I had |
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Posted: 1/22/2006 9:18:33 AM EDT
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Critera for "SHTF" ammo.
1. Is it the right caliber for my rifle or pistol? "Yes" 2. Proceed to use it. These discussions slay me. Are you people actually saying, that in a true "SHTF" or "TEOTWAWKI" situation, you're going to be an ammo snob? "Oh, I know I'm totally out of Gucci ammo, but I'm not going to use (fill in the blank) because some guy on the retardweb said (fill in the blank) about it." I trust my life to me. Not my rifles, my pistols, my ammunition, etc. Me. |
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Posted: 1/22/2006 9:25:55 AM EDT
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What do you think of Federal's GMM rounds with the69 grainers? shot out of a 16", as THE ammo to use in the life or death situation. Apart from the price, of course.... I believe, you'll never shoot more than 5 or 6 rounds anyway, we're not in f**ing sandbox here so the 23$ per box aint an issue |
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Posted: 1/22/2006 10:02:30 AM EDT
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FEDERALS 69gr BTHPMATCH would be a good pick if you have a 1/9 twist.
with 1/7 twist you can go to 77grOTM! But yes I Do feel safe with my1/9 15 inch plus bird cage A1 Shorty w/ ML2 loaded with FEDS 69BTHPM or M193 |
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Posted: 1/22/2006 10:29:06 AM EDT
[#35]
M855 has some serious terminal performance constistancies thanks to it's complex SS109 projectile. XM193 might have some MV consistancy issues, but it's more predictable in what the results will be. Considering the ranges for home defense. Any variances in MV won't be an issue for shot placement or terminal performance. |
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Posted: 1/22/2006 10:31:54 AM EDT
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The question then becomes will you get 3 shots, let alone 3 well placed shots? That why each shot counts - you can't rely on a 3rd or even a 2nd shot. |
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Posted: 1/22/2006 10:34:44 AM EDT
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Yes, I'd suggest you get a copy of (and READ) Dr Andersons foresic review of the Miami Shootout (do not read near a meal time  ). (Anderson, W. French, M.D.: Forensic Analysis of the April 11, 1986, FBI Firefight. W. French Anderson, M.D., 1996 (127 pages, paperback)Insufficient penetration of a 9mm silvertip was an issue. The round passed through and arm before making into the body cavity (a common occurance). |
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Posted: 1/22/2006 10:37:04 AM EDT
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 Well trained snipers rarely take head shots - what makes you think you'll be able to hit a small moving target at O'dark thirty when you've just been woken up and possibly your muscles are shaking due to the adrenaline rush. Leave the movie tactics for Rambo.. |
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