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Posted: 1/11/2006 5:23:22 PM EDT
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You didn't get a rail, you got crap. Sorry, but that's the way it is. So far everything I've seen or heard about Leapers is bad.
There are a lot of all-aluminum rail systems. The material was not the issue. The issue was that the part you had was poorly made. It looks like it was a casting that just broke because it was all amorphous and not at all treated for strength. And not aluminum is worth using; the good stuff is made from some specialized grades of aluminum for strength. |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 5:29:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/11/2006 5:29:38 PM EDT
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Then why not pony up the 100-130 dollars to buy a REAL rail system? YHM or MI are solid rail systems that do not cost much? That is your |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 5:42:11 PM EDT
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Buy cheap-Get cheap...
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Posted: 1/11/2006 5:50:07 PM EDT
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Thanks alot. I'm sure that's a good piece, but boy it ain't cheap. I honestly thought I could get a solid reliable rail in the $20-30 range. I'm keeping an eye out for something from a reputable place but I'll keep this in mind. Here it is for $36.
I don't like 4 rail handguards. I don't like the way they look, or feel, even with covers. Granted I'm not using the forearm as a grip a whole lot anyway... Unfortunately I also think that would be the only way to get a solid mount for the vertical fore grip. Then again my Surefire being pointed down at an angle isn't real likely to cost me my life! Possible of course. |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 6:03:07 PM EDT
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Get the rails made by AAC..
Brownell's has them and they are 100 times better than that pot metal crap that CTD sells. AAC rails I used one for 2 years with ZERO problems. |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 6:09:54 PM EDT
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What about using the Vltor rail? I have heard good things about it but it is pricey and may be a bit more than what you want. BUt I like the fact that you can mount rails where you want them.
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Posted: 1/11/2006 7:04:31 PM EDT
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WE GUARANTEE RAIL MADE OF 100% METAL!!! MADE FROM BEST MELTED SODA CANS AND POTS IN SHANG HAI!
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Posted: 1/11/2006 7:08:21 PM EDT
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It definitely serves as a lesson. I don't suppose this will also dissuade you from getting involved in too many more ACOG clone war threads, huh? |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 7:12:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/11/2006 7:40:48 PM EDT
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I suppose not because I don't see the relationship between a garbage leaper's rail and a ACOG clone on a range gun. |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 7:54:02 PM EDT
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If they can't make a simple rail that holds up....how can they make something as complicated as an ACOG that is built to last? |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 9:37:24 PM EDT
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Well in defense of this junker rail if I had used the other screw that went in the end that broke it wouldn't have happened I guess.
I used the other one that came with it (all 4 screws too) as a temporary fix, but I will be getting something reliable to fix it when funding allows. My money, for a while, is going towards another pistol! |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 10:24:08 PM EDT
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+1  I think that guy would have been better off using BLACK tape!!!! Edit to add: One nice rifle + one nice lite + one crap rail is = to a fine prom date + one horny dude ready to go + one gas station shithouse vending machine condom = a lifetime of wishing you had spent an extra fifty cents and bought a brand name condom  Oh yea, I must add my disclaimer as I am well into a bottle of Canadian Mist as I have had a bad day!!! I hate to say it but it feels good that I am not alone, I just wish my bad day was as cheap as a 20 dollar rail  Mine is an 18,000 dollar tahoe q4 sport that the bass pro shops-tracker marine in destin screwed up today. I had them install a bow cover and the 'tech' drilled one of the holes out of alignment. They are tellin me that they can fix it and I'll never notice the patch...I kinda doubt it. Wes |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 11:09:11 PM EDT
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you have a TG grip, a surefire 9p--why skimp out on the rail?
NEVER buy chicom made crap....just another warning |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 11:56:08 PM EDT
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So, you installed it incorrectly and it broke? hmm...  is this what it looked like before it snapped?  That just looks messed up. You'd be better off getting a barrel clamp. Bummer you had to learn the hard way...but at least there are proper alternatives. 
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Posted: 1/12/2006 4:58:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/12/2006 6:21:11 AM EDT
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Is this one of the polymer ones or is it a type of metal? I missed what it was made from.
Midway sells quite a few metal and polymer rails for cheap $ I would BET that had you installed it correctly, it would have held up a little longer. Is this really just for the range? I'm not seeing the need for a Surefire on a range gun. At least now with the light pointing DOWN, you won't shadow the barrel so much
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Posted: 1/12/2006 6:32:24 AM EDT
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Jeepers Creepers, you broke your Leapers.
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Posted: 1/12/2006 11:28:19 AM EDT
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$35.61 doesn't seem out of line to me for something that is well made. It's only $5.61 out of your range. Why not pony up the extra $5.61?  $35.61 for a piece of machined aluminum seems like a better value to me than a $50 plastic grip. (Nothing against TD, I have a couple).
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Posted: 1/12/2006 1:27:36 PM EDT
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They can't make something as durable and technologically advanced, but they can make a cheap imitation that is likely worth the money you pay for it. Lord_Vulcanizer - Best of luck with that sir.
I thought ANY metal rail would be tougher than the handguard...I guess not. Besides, Cheaper Than Dirt called it "imported"! I thought wine and cigars are better if imported, why not gun parts?
No that is a post snapping picture. Yes, "incorrectly" like you call it as I would've had to tweak the handguard a bit to get all 4 rail holes lined up with the vent holes. I did that with the spare one that was conveniently packaged with this one. I was wondering what I'd do with that anyway.
A new rail and maybe even a rail/sling mount on the front sight!
I'm a firm believer that form follows function, but I really dislike 4 rail forearms, maybe they'll have a place on my SBR one day but not on my primary carbine. They weigh more than I care to have up there.
Aluminum, that was it's main selling point to me other than it was economical (cheap)
Don't worry, my heat shields bent pretty handily enabling me to put the 4th screw there on the spare. I was trying to avoid dicking it up much, but failed there.
Yes and SHTF, Patrolling, Home Defense, Hinking, Camping, Plinking, Polecat/Quillpig Blasting, Picking up Women, Making Sandwiches, Etc. And I wasn't about to put a cheap junk flashlight on there.
Actually wasn't an issue for me at all.
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Posted: 1/12/2006 3:09:36 PM EDT
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It's that thick, made of aluminum and just cracked? I think there's something you aren't telling us.
DD forends don't weigh much more than double heatshield M4 handguards- that's what I've heard. It's definitely not something you'll notice. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 3:14:22 PM EDT
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Its probably due to how it was manufactured, or should I say, started out... It could be cast aluminum not forged...
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Posted: 1/12/2006 3:23:09 PM EDT
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Yes I was on duty at the mall (I'm a mall security guard by trade) and 5 perps (bums) got the drop on me, I was attacked and beaten with my rifle. The area where it cracked isn't thick on the sides, that being the spot where the bipod mount/sling swivel is supposed to go http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/M855/mini-Jan06005.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/M855/mini-Jan06006.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/M855/mini-Jan06007.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/M855/mini-Jan06008.jpg It's most definately cast aluminum. As far as not noticing the weight of a 4 rail forend goes, there's a reason my nice 6 1/2lb carbine now weighs 10lbs. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 3:31:56 PM EDT
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sorry, for gun parts, if it says "imported" and no country of origin in mentioned, and the price is pretty cheap--its more than likely going to be made in china, taiwan, or korea, etc...all not that great manufactures for durable, quality stuff |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 3:51:11 PM EDT
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How do you get a 3.5 lb weight gain from: EOTech: 11.5 oz Surefire 9p: 6.4 oz TangoDown VG: 5 oz (guestimation - assuming it weighs less than a surefire) = 23 oz = 1.5 lb Hell you have 2 more lbs of cheap commie shit to add to it before you notice any weight gain. if this matters:
Then get a real damn rail system |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 4:02:40 PM EDT
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2lbs of cheap commie shit? No thanks I try to skip that as a rule. The rail is the only thing that fits that category.
And no, I don't want a rail system, I don't like them, still. I want one rail where it is, and one on either or both sides of the front sight post. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 4:03:59 PM EDT
[#29]
Did you cheapers ?
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Posted: 1/12/2006 4:16:26 PM EDT
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Damn man, I thought I was the only mall security guard that has happened to... 
Its a conspiracy... Those communist bastards are trying to bankrupt this country by forcing us to by American made quality parts the second time around... 
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Posted: 1/12/2006 4:16:30 PM EDT
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First off, the GG&G rail is worth the money. If you can't afford it, you obviously should have bought a Romanian AKM clone or an SKS, not an AR-15.
I helped my buddy put together his first AR; he wanted a vertical foregrip, but for the sake of simplicity I steered him towards the GG&G rail. It's a nice piece, and keeps the rifle light, cheap(er) and simple. Second, if you want to mount a light, you're probably better off putting that light at 2 O'clock anyways, with a short section of bolt on rail made for that purpose. Or better yet, just mount the darn thing to the FSB. Plenty of dealers here on Arfcom can hook you up with those parts. AR-15 + made in China crap = not good. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 4:35:02 PM EDT
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Isn't that the reason for rail covers? Hmmm... 
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Posted: 1/12/2006 4:42:28 PM EDT
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You don't have to resort to the Chicom parts to get a deal on the products your looking for.
MI # 03 Rail Made in U.S.A. Machined from bar stock  Its only $19.50, same pricing as Hu Jintao charges. 
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Posted: 1/12/2006 5:03:47 PM EDT
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you are a flatout dumbass. cheap commie shit? you support ACOG knockoffs jackass... 
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Posted: 1/12/2006 5:15:43 PM EDT
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At that price it would get my cash before Hu Jintao  In defence of the china rail, if you had it fully secured it wouldn't have snapped. By not using the front screw you put to much torque on the rail at a weak spot especially with that long ass light on there. Cheap must be done right or you will be  . |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 5:57:33 PM EDT
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I do not like rails or rail covers!
Well I think you're a flat out c---suck so go talk shit in some other thread where your garbage is relevant. Do you see a fucking ACOG "clone" on my rifle? No, I have the top of the line EOTech. Did I say anything about an ACOG "clone" other than it would probably be an alright optic to throw on a range gun? No! |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 6:25:34 PM EDT
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Look at BravoCo's post.
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Posted: 1/12/2006 6:29:51 PM EDT
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That really doesn't look long enough for the VFG and light mount, but that's not an issue if I move the light up to the front sight I suppose. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 7:11:22 PM EDT
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Oh for love of..kids..settle down!
Here-Brownell's Top of the page is a pic, of the AAC extended rail..yes Brownell's is out of them at the moment, but it will have enough real estate to mount a VG and a light. You can also get them from AAC-AAC I know it's sturdy and a hell of alot tougher than some pot metal crap. Know how I know? I had one for over 2 fracking years and it's top notch and under $30! With everything you need to mount it. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 7:25:52 PM EDT
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Sorry but I was thinking you were the one who stepped into the ACOG clone thread to give me some shit when I was condemning them. Were you not? Oh, you just wanted to "talk shit in some other thread where your garbage is
You were trolling and I thought I'd tag you back is all. 
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Posted: 1/12/2006 8:29:37 PM EDT
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Gotcha. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 8:44:13 PM EDT
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I feel really dumb asking this...but how do you install that without removing the handguards? Wouldn't you need to remove the lower half to put in the washers? 
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Posted: 1/12/2006 9:28:46 PM EDT
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I have ordered this from Bravo Co. This is excellent quality. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 10:02:28 PM EDT
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That AAC rail looks like a nice piece, and it has been recommended twice in this thread so that must mean something. The only thing is that I'd be kind of weary of the 2 screw only mounting.
You have to remove the handguard, not the heat shield, which is the tin inside the plastic forend. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 3:12:49 AM EDT
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One more time..the 2 screw mounting on the AAC rail is solid. I don't put junk on my guns. That rail did not move in 2 years. The rail comes with 2 machine screws and a back plates. The plates go between the heatshields and the inside of the guards. The plates have 4 nubs that, when tightened down, lock inot the plastic guards, all on the inside. It prevents them from moving and locks the rail in place. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 7:14:34 AM EDT
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Yup, you just pop off the bottom handguard to install. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 8:33:01 AM EDT
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Argh! I'm a moron. It said heat shields not handguards.
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