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Posted: 12/31/2005 7:14:51 AM EDT
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my opinion?
personal preference, i would rather build 2-3 rifles with that money |
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Posted: 12/31/2005 7:16:52 AM EDT
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Ok, that's one for RRA.... TY
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Posted: 12/31/2005 7:24:26 AM EDT
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I'd expect the RRA votes to run 20-1 over a Les Baer
why? The Les Baer ARs are regular ARs customized with a few high quality, precision parts. But that is exactly what AR owners want to do themselves, and do so with an eye to the components most important to them. You can have a far better AR15 than the Les Baer for a lot less money....IMHO of course. I see the LB option as one for the buyer who has little or no interest in tinkering and wants to buy a tack-driver right out of the box. Kinda like a guy who buys a '70 Chevelle SS, but doesn't want to have to work on it. Sorta 
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Posted: 12/31/2005 7:32:21 AM EDT
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If all things were equal, I would get a 16" carbine, and a 20" rifle, and turn them into what I wanted before I dropped $1700 for the LB.
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Posted: 12/31/2005 7:37:23 AM EDT
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LES BAER AR's overpriced I think . I have looked at one too. But damn the fit and finish on it was the finest I have ever seen
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Posted: 12/31/2005 7:39:31 AM EDT
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OK I guess that answers that question.... Thanks again....
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Posted: 12/31/2005 9:48:35 AM EDT
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Not that it has much bearing on your decision...
but i believe the guys that run RRA were first with Les Bear. |
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Posted: 12/31/2005 9:53:23 AM EDT
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Bottom line is that you should buy what you like. I met with Les Baer at his shop and purchased a Super Tac .45. I came away very impressed with his busisness ethic as well as his products. I own a RRA AR not a Les Baer. If you can afford the $1700 price and hve the itch to buy it , your decision is already made.
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Posted: 12/31/2005 9:54:56 AM EDT
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What's with all the "X vs Y" threads lately?
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Posted: 12/31/2005 10:44:37 AM EDT
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I can understand that choosing your first AR can be a very daunting task. There are more brands and accessories (for ARs) available now than ever before. Most people are looking for the quick and easy answer. Some look to be told what to buy (e.g. "What's the best AR?") which brings subjectiveity into the equation which further muddies the waters. I worked in retail for 12 yrs (selling musical instruments) so I'm fortunate to have developed the skills and mindset to objectively pick gear. Even then, I can own something for a year before I find it's not for me but sometimes that cannot be avoided. I took a little over a year to decide to switch from an HK-94 to a 9mm AR but I have not regretted making the switch for a second. Here's the thread I went through to finally arrive at that decision. It's in the Archives so non-paying members may not be able to access it. |
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Posted: 12/31/2005 10:47:12 AM EDT
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if you really wanted something special, take that $1,700 and put together a real quality custom rifle yourself. for that kinda money, you can get a rifle that's much better than an LB, plus you'll have built it yourself.
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Posted: 12/31/2005 10:47:25 AM EDT
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??? |
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Posted: 12/31/2005 11:21:42 AM EDT
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I would build the 2 to 3 RRA guns over buying the Les Baer.
just my 2 cents |
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Posted: 12/31/2005 11:34:51 AM EDT
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Just looked up the rifle on their website. Looks like a nice gun. I would give Denny at Global Tactical a call or some of the other builders on this board, they all do excellent work. Let them know what you are looking for and I am sure that they will help you out with what they can offer. That way if you go with the Les Baer you will have the piece of mind that you have exactly what you want. In the begining I made the mistake of buying what I thought was my perfect rig. After alot of research and going through many uppers, buttstocks, optics, and other components I almost have what I want.
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Posted: 12/31/2005 11:40:00 AM EDT
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Frank White at Compass Lake Engineering or John Holliger at White Oak Precision will build rifles or uppers that will match or exceed the quality and accuracy of anything Les Baer makes for significantly less $.
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Posted: 12/31/2005 12:00:57 PM EDT
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No offense to Les Baer or anyone who owns one of his rifles, but I wouldn't bother with one.
They may be great quality, but you can get better quality for cheaper from many of the board vendors. Getting accuarcy out of an AR isn't rocket science, and I'd be willing to bet 95% of the board vendors could build a rifle to out perform the LB in most, if not all aspects for a significant amount less. I also don't like the fact they use YHM rail systems. For a rifle that's supposed to be top notch, you'd atleast expect to get a rail system that isn't the most generic available. 
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Posted: 12/31/2005 12:03:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/31/2005 12:13:35 PM EDT
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I thought it was Armalite?
Armalite is from the same state, so I always thought it was true.  Anyone else notice Armalite's site is down? ETA: Les Baer is located in Illinois as well. Maybe it is true. 
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Posted: 12/31/2005 12:25:16 PM EDT
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Stick, As I recall from talking to a couple people at the 2002 SHOT Show, a group of employees that worked at Les Baer Custom got fed up with Les and quit, and started Rock River Arms. Pstores, I would go with RRA over the Les Baer, and I have owned Baer guns. The reason I recommend RRA is the price and the features. Les make an awesome gun but they are very pricy and limiting on features. You can get a gun from RRA that would shoot every bit as good as a Baer Custom for almost half the price. |
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Posted: 12/31/2005 1:26:16 PM EDT
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+1 I'm sure the Les Baer is trick in all, but is it really that much better than a RRA ??? I have not owned a Les Baer so I can not say... Secondly, Are you going to be able to shoot a Les Baer any better ??? Its your money get what you want, either way you go, you win !!!! 
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Posted: 12/31/2005 2:45:32 PM EDT
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Ya, I am back to the begining... I might as well buy a new gun, 2 uppers and give Randall some barrel business.
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Posted: 12/31/2005 2:56:55 PM EDT
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I bet tje seach function would have given you all the opinions of this board on LB
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Posted: 12/31/2005 10:56:55 PM EDT
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Pstores:
There are a lot of different brand ARs you can get in the price range of $1700, to include other custom shops. You may be limiting your options by just looking at Les Bear and RRA. Remember the great thing about ARs is you can always upgrade! I recently purchased my first AR. I went with a Recce/Recon from MSTN. Just waiting to get home and put some rounds through it. USM3: That is what i was refering to, i've read it somewhere but can't recall where. |
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Posted: 1/1/2006 6:24:24 AM EDT
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This is what I am thinking...
RRA Upper and lower. Lower JP Single Stage Trigger JP Speed hammer Upper 24" .204 Krieger 1 to 12 twist Stainless Super Match Barrel CMT Chromed fully shrouded M16 stlye Chrome Bolt carrier Rock River charging handle JP Gas Adjustable Gas Block DPMS Free Float Hand guard. Build Number 2 not sure of. Wait to see How the first shoots. Third might be an AR10 |
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Posted: 1/1/2006 6:27:38 AM EDT
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That sounds like a better option to me than the LB route. Buy the basics and make the rifle the way YOU want it! |
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Posted: 1/1/2006 6:52:05 AM EDT
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what bullets are ya going to be shooting out of it. im guessing some lightweight ones with that twist. |
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Posted: 1/1/2006 6:57:18 AM EDT
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I have a les baer M4. It is nice but over priced. The best thing about them is the upper and lower match up very well.
The trigger that came in it is a complicated two stage that is about 2-pounds. I like light triggers and have had issues with it. It is accurate. The last two weapons I have put together I have bought a matched upper and lower from them to assemble. This adds about $200 above the price of the other manufactures. Then do with it what you want. hug.gif |
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Posted: 1/1/2006 7:21:50 AM EDT
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excerpt from Precision Shooter Magazine article (Interview with Mark Larsen President/co-Founder of RRA:
I have the entire article if anyone's interested |
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Posted: 1/1/2006 8:18:57 AM EDT
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Thanks Redfisher,
I knew i'd read about the Les Bear / RRA connection somewhere, but didn't think to look at my old precision shooter mags. |
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Posted: 1/1/2006 8:44:34 AM EDT
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I was going to shoot lighter rounds.... I was thinking about tring a 1 in 11 twist. Not sure if it would make a difference in the 40 or 32. But, I was wondering if it would stablize the heavier bullets to the piont of having some acurracy. This is going to be used for PD's for the most part. I am not sure if it would make a good wolf gun. They should be legal to hunt soon in MN and WI. I hope anyway. There are just way to many. It's really hurting the deer population. Not sure what to get for those damn things....
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Posted: 1/1/2006 8:46:13 AM EDT
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I was going to shoot lighter rounds.... I was thinking about tring a 1 in 11 twist. Not sure if it would make a difference in the 40 or 32. But, I was wondering if it would stablize the heavier bullets to the piont of having some acurracy. This is going to be used for PD's for the most part. I am not sure if it would make a good wolf gun. They should be legal to hunt soon in MN and WI. I hope anyway. There are just way to many. It's really hurting the deer population. Not sure what to get for those damn things....
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Posted: 1/1/2006 8:48:21 AM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 1/1/2006 3:09:21 PM EDT
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Wow. I didn't know they had that much history behind them. |
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Posted: 1/1/2006 3:55:31 PM EDT
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I don't see it mentioned before, but what is the intended use for your build?
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Posted: 1/1/2006 4:59:43 PM EDT
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I was going to use it for Paper and PD's... Maybe once in awhile a fox or two...
Quote to my double post earlier lol lol I was going to shoot lighter rounds.... I was thinking about tring a 1 in 11 twist. Not sure if it would make a difference in the 40 or 32. But, I was wondering if it would stablize the heavier bullets to the piont of having some acurracy. This is going to be used for PD's for the most part. I am not sure if it would make a good wolf gun. They should be legal to hunt soon in MN and WI. I hope anyway. There are just way to many. It's really hurting the deer population. Not sure what to get for those damn things.... |
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Posted: 1/1/2006 9:55:47 PM EDT
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Buy a really nice mid-length and totally outfit it for that kind of money.
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Posted: 1/2/2006 12:50:56 PM EDT
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Give the RRA varminter a try. The price is right and they shoot! |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:46:56 AM EDT
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I own a les bear (3 months new as fact) built it peice by peice over the last year. A fellow officer owns the RRA. Both he and I like my baer better hands down. Is it pricy, Yes. Is it worth it, Yes. its a custom hand fitted gun, I don't know one that isn't outrages.
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