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Posted: 12/29/2005 7:59:44 PM EDT
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White Oak Armory has SPR barrels.
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Posted: 12/29/2005 8:12:24 PM EDT
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WhiteOak is the company that makes them. Several dealers on this board carry them. A relatively unknown dealer on the board (John with PDC) specializes in the SPR rifle. After talking with him I decided to let him build my upper instead of doing it myself. Jason with JTac and Steve with ADCO also carry teh barrels and SPR parts.
If you are looking for teh barrel with teh fitted bolt I think it is Compass Lake and I think the same dealers sell them also. |
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Posted: 12/29/2005 11:42:20 PM EDT
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I can build you an SPR upper as well.
Here is my SPR profiles page. |
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Posted: 1/6/2006 3:10:06 PM EDT
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Should i go Standard legnth or mid-legnth gas system? Also Chrome bolt and standard carrier or chrome bolth or standard both? I would kill for a gas-piston system for either of the two.
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Posted: 1/6/2006 4:11:02 PM EDT
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People these days tend to mean different things with the word "clone". Some torque on a stainless steel DCM barrel with any old free-float handguard and call it "SPR." Others are more exacting. Strictly speaking, the real SPR has very specific name brands and brand names attached to it. 90% of the deployed SPR rifles use Douglas barrels and 100% of these barrels are contoured to accept the OPS Inc barrel collar and muzzled with the OPS Inc. 12th Model brake. I say 90% because the R&D rifles used Douglas, Krieger, and Rock Creek barrels and these may be deployed right now, i just don't know. White Oak makes a nice barrel, but it is not to be used in a true "clone" build. They also all use the KAC 2-stage trigger, not an RRA or LMT 2-stager, not a McCormick drop-in unit, though these are fine units too. Gas system is standard, there are no mid-lengths in the field. Free-float handguards are either PRI carbon fiber for the Mod 0 or KAC Match or Sniper (same thing) for the Mod 1. No Daniel Defence, no Yankee Hill, no Troy or Samson.
Could you make a better SPR-type rifle by going outside spec? Absolutely, but it won't be a fair representation of what our guys are carrying and it won't have the resale value of a true clone, even if it performs better. All the parts used in both the Mk12 Mod 0 and Mod 1 are available to civvies, but some take more hunting than others. |
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Posted: 1/6/2006 4:14:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2006 4:19:07 PM EDT
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Your rant-foo is weak. |
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Posted: 1/6/2006 4:24:29 PM EDT
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Im more concerned with function. i am going to use many name brand thinkgs but i wanted to combine all desireable features for reliability and accuracy
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Posted: 1/6/2006 4:42:00 PM EDT
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Order me up one M16A1 lower, please.  Oh, I live in a communist state....................................................oh, and they cost $10k. Oh, and this communist state doesn't allow peasants to own suppressors. Everything else is, more or less available. But you are right. Any railed FF'd stainless barreled rifle has been called an SPR, SAM-R, DMR or RECCE, depending on whatever the person thinks it is. |
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Posted: 1/6/2006 5:10:29 PM EDT
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with building an upper with many of the characteristcs of an SPR, even if it is not a perfect clone.
For example, you might want something a little shorter, so you would go with a 16" mid length gas system, a rifle handguard and a flip-up front sight out in front. The muzzle is certainly not going to be properly setup for that OPS can you can't buy, but so what? I don't think that resale value plays in to most guys decisions when they are spending the big bucks to build an upper with all the top quality parts. Say you like the LaRue better than the PRI, so build with the LaRue. Only seriuos mall ninjas and airsoft shooters would argue about authenticity issues such as the barrel being a Rock or a Shilen instead of a Douglas. If you want a perfect clone, I can build with a Douglas blank as well. It's all good stuff in these uppers and that's what really matters, not the brand name or moniker hung on it... |
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Posted: 1/6/2006 7:04:54 PM EDT
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A TRUE GOV'T PROFILE SPR BARREL HAS A RIFLE LENGTH GAS SYSTEM, AND IT IS ACTUALLY NOT EXACTLY 18" IN LENGTH, EITHER. NOT THAT IT REALLY MATTERS ....
WE'VE BUILT A FEW. HERE'S A THREAD WITH THREE PAGES OF PIX. NOTE THAT THE FIRST POST IS DATED 2003: ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=134&t=141314&page=1 WE HAVE DOUGLAS STAINLESS 1X7" BARRELS PROPERLY CONTOURED BY COMPASS LAKE, WITH FITTED BOLTS. OURS WILL OUTSHOOT CRANE'S, BECAUSE WE HAVE OURS DONE WITH COMPASS LAKE'S MATCH CHAMBER, NOT THE A.M.U. CHAMBER USED ON THE GOV'T GUNS. COMPASS LAKE PUTS A MUCH NICER CROWN ON THEM, TOO, IMO. GOV'T SPR'S HAD TO SHOOT 3-SHOT 1.25 MOA GROUPS. WE WON'T SHIP UNLESS OURS ARE DOING SUB-MOA FIVE SHOT GROUPS. THEY DO MUCH BETTER THAN SUB-MOA. THE ONE I SHOT IN A FEW DAYS AGO DID 0.60 MOA FOR FIVE, AND I STINK OFF THE BENCH. THAT'S HARDLY THE BEST, EITHER. WES GRANT M.S.T.N. |
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Posted: 1/6/2006 9:27:59 PM EDT
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you can get your barrel - mached bolt, and Ops Inc. collar break set up here
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Posted: 1/6/2006 9:43:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2006 8:22:40 AM EDT
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Here's my lefty SPR...I love this rifle, I know it's old news but just like the setup.
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Posted: 1/7/2006 8:36:04 AM EDT
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When I built my SPR "clone" I used the following:
-Bushmaster lower -Magpul M93 Stock -Custom made grip -Colt 1 in 7" 20" HBAR barrel -AK style muzzle brake -PRI 3rd Gen. Carbonfiber FF tube -ARMS #38 SPR PEQ-2-3 top rail -PRI gasblock/flip up front sight -ARMS #40 BUIS -ARMS #22 high rings with Tactical rail cap Some of the "authentic" SPR parts are hard to locate up here in Canada, so I had to substitue until I can track them down.  SKBY. |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 10:26:27 AM EDT
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Not a rant at all. Build your rifle however you want, call it what you want and best of luck to you. But the phrase "SPR clone" has some built-in expectations and come time to ask a question about it on this forum or worse yet to sell it using that phrase, you are going to be less than clear when someone looking for an "SPR clone" instead of an "SPRish" or "SPR-type" rifle comes a calling. It's gotten to be bad enough that poor Wes at MSTN has to use "Perfect Clone SPR" to cut through this. |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 3:06:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2006 9:57:10 AM EDT
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So heres what im thinking so far (in an ideal situation):
Noveski 1/7 18' rifle legnth SPR barrel w/ extended feed ramps M4 Upper PRI Gen III Rifle legnth handguard ARMS #38 SPR PEQ-2-3 top rail PRI Flip front sight/block Magpul presicion rifle stock or M93B ARMS #40 Vortex hider or Ops In brake. I have a RRA lower with RRA match trigger in it i would use. This particular lower is very tight on all my other uppers. no movement even after 1000+rds. For scope i think a TA55 would be awsome but i could never afford that. probably a supersniper 10x, i have one on my rem 700 LTR and i love it. Not Sure on bolt yet. I think i would like a chromed bolt, but maybe a standard carrier. Maybe chromed carrier. i don't know. any suggestions? Defender D-ring, Wolf srpings. I want the rifle to be absolutely reliable and i hear good things about upgrades like these, any comments suggestions please. I also would like a rifle legnth gas-piston setup but i don't beleive one exists. What do ya think? |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 9:59:30 AM EDT
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Are noveski barrels worth the money over white oak? how much of a difference would i notice, or not notice? its almost 120 more than white oak.
thanks Jservis |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 10:39:55 AM EDT
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No. Noveske barrels are made from SS Pac-Nor rifled blanks. White Oak Precision has been making precision barrels from SS Pac-Nor blanks for quite some time now (probably before Noveske). White Oak stuff works and its quality is second to none. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 11:06:25 AM EDT
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This is my new SPR CLONE. The upper is mine but the lower belongs to John with Pennsylvania Consultants ( he specializes in SPR's and has been to the "ranch" where the real deal SPR's were made). John built this upper and it ships to me tomorrow. I was going to build it myself but after discussing the project with him and hearing of his experience with the REAL SPR's and builder I decided to let him do it. My lower looks the same and I already have a Leupold LR/T M3 scope with ARMS rings waiting for my baby.
ssl31.pair.com/padef/gobbels/index.php?   imageshack.us]  |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 11:11:44 AM EDT
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A mid-lenght gas-system on a 14.5" would be sweet....anyone doing this??? |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 1:46:13 PM EDT
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CMMG i beleive
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Posted: 1/8/2006 1:58:46 PM EDT
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Noveske makes one calle dthe Afghan |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 3:11:54 PM EDT
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Quoted by - swo_daddy
" White Oak Precision has been making precision barrels from SS Pac-Nor blanks for quite some time now " So would it be safe to say that when I see a WOA barrel for sale it,s going to be a SS Pac Nor Blank ? |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:32:55 PM EDT
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No, it would not be. I said White Oak PRECISION not White Oak Armament. Two companies, same owners, two different target markets. WOA barrels are Wilson. If you want a Pac-Nor or a Krieger in whatever profile you desire, you go to WOP and pay more for higher quality (WOA's quality is pretty high to begin with) and custom work. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:44:47 PM EDT
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Thanks
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:46:59 PM EDT
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wilson barrels...is that from the same company as Wilson combat? 1911s...
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:53:41 PM EDT
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I was told that some of the WOA barrels were made from Douglas steel.
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:54:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2006 5:31:05 PM EDT
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No, Wilson Arms--Barrels Wilson Combat--1911, AR, other things and they dont make their own barrels |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 5:48:49 PM EDT
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Could be. I know their WOA NM barrels are Wilson. And excellent shooters, too. I do know White Oak Precision barrels are Pac-Nor or Krieger. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 6:03:13 PM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 1/8/2006 7:09:36 PM EDT
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In true ARFcom speak it would be known as a "frankenSPR". 
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Posted: 1/11/2006 5:09:23 PM EDT
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Really interested in an SPR build for some time now but this is really one of the only posts that I have seen concerning the SPR. Any one got any links to resources on an SPR build besides this one, such as a "lets your SPR photos" or a success/failure page in spr building?
Thanks Iso |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 5:22:40 PM EDT
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www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=130&t=143864 www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=134&t=141314 www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=134&t=141410 |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 5:07:23 AM EDT
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Thanks for the links Alex. tried searching arfcom but found only this topic. I tried the archives but it must have been down while I was on it since I kept getting "operation timed out".
thanks again, Iso |
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