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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:58:27 PM EDT
OK, this is *kind of* a fake out. The question is sincere but I have no idea who has them readily available.
So, the point of this thread is for people who would like to have one and what they would be willing to pay for a stripped lower. Post here. Then we can forward this thread to the many manufacuturers to demonstrate the demand. Let's make this 10+ page thread! I'll take one and I'd be willing topay up to $300. 
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Posted: 12/15/2005 4:07:24 PM EDT
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You can buy the real thing it will cost you between $15,000-20,000. For that kind of money I'm sure you can get a builder to fasion you a few! Unfortunately I don't think they will have the happy swithch!
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Posted: 12/15/2005 4:33:11 PM EDT
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Come on over here to the Philippines and you can get an original Colt M16A1 lower for around $300, and it comes with the happy switch.
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Posted: 12/15/2005 4:34:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/15/2005 4:41:45 PM EDT
[#4]
I was following that. That whole thing went into the crapper I guess. Hopefully, this board can demonstrate enough demand that someone else will consider it worthwhile. |
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Posted: 12/15/2005 6:36:09 PM EDT
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They arent that high yet... Mint or unfired Colt factory M16A2 might come close to that.. |
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Posted: 12/15/2005 6:39:21 PM EDT
[#6]
Ive seen mint A1s for that money.Id love an A1 type lower for a 653 carbine clone build.
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Posted: 12/15/2005 6:55:31 PM EDT
[#7]
Poll added.
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Posted: 12/15/2005 7:26:22 PM EDT
[#8]
I voted yes, but not for $300....
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Posted: 12/16/2005 4:30:05 AM EDT
[#9]
Well, what would you be willing to go? |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 4:35:07 AM EDT
[#10]
around $150-200
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Posted: 12/16/2005 4:56:01 AM EDT
[#11]
And they had better be "authentic" and "mil-spec", too!
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Posted: 12/16/2005 5:43:14 AM EDT
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I'd settle for any lower as long as it was made before 9/94 and is offered at a reasonable price.
That's one unfortunate fact of living on the wrong side of the iron curtain. 
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:49:32 AM EDT
[#13]
They must be A1 forgings also, not some reworked A2.
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Posted: 12/16/2005 8:49:13 AM EDT
[#14]
I would be happy with another of these.....
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Posted: 12/16/2005 9:00:46 AM EDT
[#15]
I would definately be interested in one if you could:
A. Make them ACTUALLY TO A1 SPEC and not halfway and then offer the extra machining for $25 extra. B. A reasonable price that you'll STICK TO and not change by about $15-20 at the end (say..$150-200 as someone else said). C. Produce M16A1 style, XM16E1 style (with no mag fence, just the front detent recess), and slabside SP1 lowers for around the same price. And of course not have the money go to some unknown place and then change the place the money goes to... 
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Posted: 12/16/2005 1:41:32 PM EDT
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I would be definately be interested in them. Also, if you want to speed up this process, you might want to send manufactures a link to the ASA pages, that are very very long, and that would also show them the interest in a TRUE TO SPEC M16A1/XM16E1/SP1 style semi auto lower.
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Posted: 12/16/2005 1:45:00 PM EDT
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also, 150-200 would seem reasonable for such a lower reciever. More than that if it was made from an A1 forging...
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Posted: 12/16/2005 2:51:40 PM EDT
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Another yes vote.
But in the $150 - $200 range. Preferably made from A1 forgings. If not, then a damned close copy without breaking the upper price limit. If fact, I would like an A1 and a partial rail lower. |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 2:59:43 PM EDT
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Stickman, May I enquire about the origin of the item in the picture? I am as intrigued by the semi-auto A1 lower as I am by the unusual windage knob. Thanks, Greg |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 3:21:38 PM EDT
[#20]
I'd like to have a couple.......
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Posted: 12/16/2005 3:57:02 PM EDT
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I want a A1 Upper! new and black.
And inexpensive! I can live with modern lowers... it is the upper that I want. |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 3:54:12 AM EDT
[#22]
btt
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Posted: 12/18/2005 4:05:16 AM EDT
[#23]
fulton armory has what you are looking for. |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 4:06:49 AM EDT
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the windage wheel is a replacement that bushmaster along with others sell that replace the original a1 wind. wheel to ease adjustments |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 4:14:14 AM EDT
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Just as long as ASA has nothing to do with it.....
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Posted: 12/18/2005 6:36:45 AM EDT
[#26]
Something happened to those A1 lowers that Colt-653 had. We know there were at least two made ;)
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Posted: 12/18/2005 7:16:07 AM EDT
[#27]
got one, but they are "A0" or C7.. I want a A1 |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 12:53:54 PM EDT
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Given that, if the job is done right, you wouldn't have a clue what the raw forging looked like, why would you care what forging hd been used? I don't think you can use that recent failed experiment at ASA as a true test. They just didn't get the job done right. Using A1 forgings would likely take a multiple thousand order to the forge, and I just don't think there are that many potential customers out there  In the meantime, after the ASA disaster I went ahead w/my early type M16 lower project on a DPMS piece, and it's now at the to be painted stage. The A1 lower on a Rock River loer was finished several montha ago. Best I can tell, if you want an early lower, buy a current job and either pay someone a months salary to machine it down, or do it yourself.
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Posted: 12/18/2005 12:58:02 PM EDT
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Sorry brother, but I think you're SOL on an A1 upper, new and black. Mil surp early color is the best you can hope for, with a can of Norrells for coloring.
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Posted: 12/18/2005 1:17:36 PM EDT
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I would still like to hear from Colt-653 on what happened to his A1 lower project.
When he returned my payment also included was a note saying the lowers would be ready by mid december. Well.............Here we are in mid december and nothing! Does anyone know if his A1 lower project is officially dead? |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 2:02:22 PM EDT
[#31]
Yeah I would be able to tell. There is no way anybody can mill out the rear reinforement area and have it look smooth with all the contours like an original A1. |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 3:01:40 PM EDT
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Wanna bet? Of course, you have to do it by hand, w/various size files; and it helps to have an SP1 lower to compare---and have the patience to spend a couple of weeks doing a little at a time. But it can be done. When I finish the early piece, get the use of a digital camera, and figure out how to post pics on the internet, I'll put up some pics. I do agree though, that mass production w/machine tools will be a bear, but that's just another reason why I consider the prospect of anyone putting out early type lowers ranges from slim to none.
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Posted: 12/18/2005 3:09:40 PM EDT
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I'd love one or two A1 style lowers. I'd also like a slab side. I had really hoped that Colt-653 would come through.
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Posted: 12/18/2005 3:55:25 PM EDT
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I would love a slab side. I was thinking of something along the lines of an XM177 with 16'' barrel and slip over flash hider, and an M16A1 or XM16E1 lower would have been more realistic, but I just love the SP1 Carbine look, and would prefer a slab side. |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 8:53:08 AM EDT
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Anybody else want to comment?
I don't think this thread demonstrates enough demand (yet) to interest a potential manufacturer. 
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Posted: 12/27/2005 9:00:03 AM EDT
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Nor do I think it will. Too many people want too many different things. No sooner does a thread like this start, than you've got people asking for something different. It kills any chance of seeing it. |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 9:35:08 AM EDT
[#37]
let it die... no one cares about us little people
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Posted: 12/27/2005 12:23:38 PM EDT
[#38]
Wow, I missed the whole ASA episode. On the bright side, my life didn't come to crashing end because of it.
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Posted: 12/27/2005 12:48:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/27/2005 12:59:25 PM EDT
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Too bad theres the import ban with china.They make an A1 clone a buddy of mine in canada has one.Also since the A2 lower with improvements is now spec there should be an A1 TDP floating around somewhere.They shouldnt cost any more than an A2 type as it does not have all the reinforcements.If the chineese can figure out how to make an A1 clone Im sure someone in this country can as well.
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Posted: 12/27/2005 2:32:33 PM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 12/28/2005 9:39:22 AM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 12/30/2005 9:10:14 AM EDT
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I would pay $200 for a good A1 lower from A1 forgings, maybe more if it came from a reputable major manufacturer.
IMO there is a market for A1-style rifles out there. Lot's of guys in their peak earning years who served in the '70s and '80s would buy an A1-style rifle for sentimental value. I just wish a major manufacturer would step up to the plate. Volume production of lowers for A1-clones would bring the cost of loers down for use do-it-yourselfers. I'd love to see an A1-style rifle with an optional chrome-lined 4150 pencil barrel with a 5.56 chamber and 1x9 twist. That would maintain the A1 looks, but give the user more flexibility with respect to ammo. BTW, Colt-653 replied to one of my emails and said he would be posting something soon. He had sent the lowers back to a machine shop in WA (Gig Harbor, IIRC) for additional machining. IMO that pretty much confirms they were from A2 forgings. As I said, I'd prefer A1 forgings, but I would "settle" for an A1 lower from A2 forgings as long as it met A1 specs and looked like an A1 lower. |
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Posted: 12/31/2005 11:42:35 AM EDT
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CB1, I assume you've seen CDNN's unfired M16A1 uppers? I've got one and it is sweet. It would be pretty easy to refinish an A2 lower to match with grayish black Moly Resin. "GRAYISH-BLACK Flat Dark gray-black coloration with a flat appearance. This duplicates the appearance of the early original Colt AR-15/M-16 finish. This is the same product that is purchased from us by the U.S. Military to refinish Colt M-16's." |
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Posted: 12/31/2005 11:54:09 AM EDT
[#45]
10 to 1 that the milspec A1 forgings have been destroyed.
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Posted: 12/31/2005 12:24:54 PM EDT
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Too bad Aimless won't let him post anything unless his machinist pays this site. I guess that's what happens when you tell people it's an A1 when it was an A2 originally. |
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Posted: 12/31/2005 12:35:46 PM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 12/31/2005 3:32:01 PM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 1/1/2006 3:07:09 PM EDT
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Do *all* the AR "manufacturers" source their lowers from the same plant? Is this why there is such a problem getting a different forging?
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Posted: 1/1/2006 5:02:35 PM EDT
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A new forging die would have to be cut. Big $$$ and possibly not enough demand.
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