User Panel
Posted: 12/8/2005 1:08:25 PM EDT
I just went to the Bushmaster website and found this on the main page, wow:
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Wow!! Does this mean people are going to go out and get their "XM15-E1" Bushmasters remarked to say "M4 Carbine"? I'm sure not! Good for Bushmaster though.
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They also dismissed Colt's claims for infringement of the term AR-15.
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As well as all of the M16 variations. |
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I would expect to see M4, Commando, and similar markings becoming standard pretty quick....
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Hmmmmm. So if Bushy technically could market their "M4 type" clone as a M4, every one else could now call their rifles AR15's?
I'd say that's a step to far, but I thought it was BS that Colt sued Bushy for saying "M4 type". Looks like one of your all time back fires if that's the case. |
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It was unfortunate that Colt wasted people's time and money on a frivolous lawsuit in the first place.
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Does Colt have the option of appealing to scotus? I think they do. If so we should see a motion for injunction filed soon.
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Please pardon my ingnorance...
Does this only apply to select fire models? Is my semi (Ameetec lower) no longer an "M4gery"? |
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It looks like the days of calling M4 clones M4'geries may be gone. I think it's BS that Colt sued for saying M4 type, but this seems a little drastic to me. |
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They can appeal it to the
It would apply to anything. Basically, the court said that "M4" and "AR-15" are generic terms that aren't uniquely associated with Colt's products, and that just because people call it an AR-15, people aren't going to think that a Bushmaster's a Colt. And, of course, the court's right. |
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Not a lawyer, but I read it that the Judge said that Colt's M4 TM is no good. In regards to other TM's like AR-15 the Judge did not say the TM was no good, just that Bushmaster did not infringe on those, it's not like Bushmaster was stamping thier rifles AR-15 or anything like that. |
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That was the risk that Colt took bringing a suit like this to court. They lost big time, but its not too surprising given similar trademark infringement cases over the years. I have to wonder why they thought they could win. A very similar case I can remember is that Intel sued several clone-chip vendors (including AMD, Cyrix, etc) back in the 90's for names similar to their 80486 processor and lost, which is why they went to more distinctive names like Pentium, Xeon, Itanium, etc, for their later products. The courts have usually not liked upholding very short and/or largely numeric trademarks. I think most people would agree that M4 and AR15 certainly qualify as both. And even if other mfrs didn't actually label their products exactly as such (my lower receiver is marked "J-15"), certainly most people in the community recognized that the products were work-alikes and generally referred to all similar types as AR15s or M4s. By allowing for that dilution for so long, it probably weakened their case. |
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well It looks like I'll be getting and M4 SEBR for Christmas -minus the feedramps -minus M4 handguards -minus milspec sights -minus milspec buttstock -I will let the muzzle device and barrel inspection process slide I think it serves COLT right for trying to have a monopoly |
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In the windows bar at the top when on the Bushy site, didn't it used to say AR15 type rifles, and not just AR15?
Also, the court says that Colt can't claim infringement rights on the terms M16, CAR, MATCH TARGET, AR-15 and COMMANDO. So if a company were to call their AR type rifle an AR15, Colt would not have any say over it. Atleast that's what I get out of it. |
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I am a lawyer. It appears that the judge revoked the trademark registration on the M4 because Bushmaster countersued on that one. With respect to AR15, Commando, etc., the court said Colt wasn't entitled to relief because people weren't going to think a Bushy is a Colt just because they call it an AR15. ETA: Never go by what a party to the case says in its press release. |
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I'm not a lawyer and that's exactly how I read it |
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Agreed, but that don't mean Bushmaster can stamp thier rifles AR-15. Judge says that M4 is "generic", but did not say that about AR-15. In other words M4 TM is out, and the AR-15 TM is still good. |
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Perhaps Colt should have used all that time and money for CIVILIAN customer service ---it almost certainly would have been a better use of their resources
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Forgive my complete ignorance, but isn't M4 the U.S. Military designation for the rifle in question? How could a private company get a TM on a military designation? Or did Colt actually come up with the M4 nomenclature?
It must always be a sad day when the name of a product your company makes gets used so often in a generic sense that people start to lose association with your company. Now if you excuse me, I'll go blow my nose on some kleenex (made by Walmart), then I'm going to use my Canon copier to xerox some important papers, then go out to my toolshed to use my crescent wrench made by Craftsman and my phillips screwdriver made by Stanley. I have a Black & Decker dremel and a Husquevarna weedeater, too. Greg |
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www.bushmaster.com This would mean Colt can not pursue action under the Lanham act. HERE is a link providing the details of that specific act. What I get out of that, is that Colt can't pursue legal action under this section, reguarding the names listed earlier. It appears that all of the names listed are no longer Colt's to claim as theirs. Colt pursued legal action over Bushmaster's use of the term M4 in the designation "M4 Type". In turn, Colt lost the rights to the name M4 all together, as well as the ability to act legally over the use of AR15, CAR, Match Target, M16, Commando, and M4. Being stripped of their legal rights to make a claim over these 'infringements" means that Colt can do nothing when other people use them. If I am wrong, please correct me, but that is the way it appears to me. |
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I no longer own an RRA entry tactical. Now I just own an RRA M4. Hmm interesting. Makes it easier to keep track of the names I suppose.
Anyway, it isnt about what you call the gun, it's about how the gun performs |
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Colt sued over the use of two heat shields and won? Who cares? They just lost "M4, M16, CAR, MATCH TARGET, AR-15 and COMMANDO". Not that these labels mean much in themselves, but some of you guys seem to think so. |
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That deals with Colt's patent on the double heat sheild. It has nothing to do with the trademark issues. ETA: And the patent expires at the end of the month. Next year, anyone can make the double shield handguards. |
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So Colt won the shielded handguard debate? Only 22 days until anyone can make the dual shielded handguards. Looks like Bushy payed a premium for making them earlier. |
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Yep. |
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Got a link to the trademark issues? |
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And that's the real point of trademarks, to protect the buyers. Most people, and especially journalists, just seem to miss that.z |
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Yes, they lost M4, but I don't see where it says they lost the name AR-15. |
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I just read this line: "Dismissed Colt’s claims for infringement of the terms M16, CAR, MATCH TARGET, AR-15 and COMMANDO because it concluded that there was no likelihood of confusion among purchasers as to the source of Bushmaster’s products." |
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Here. ETA: AR15.com, "an extremely popular online resource for firearm enthusiasts," gets a mention on page 21. |
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Colt can no longer pursue legal action based on the Lanham Act reguarding "generic" terms such as the ones listed above. This would mean they no longer have any say over those names, or others useage of them.
I will wait to see as that's only what I get out of it after limited research into the subject. Hopefully there will be a more efficient announcement soon. |
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Correct, dismissed, they had no case, because it is not like Bushmaster was stamping thier rifles AR-15. If they had been doing that, the claim would not have been dismissed. |
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Thank you sir, will read up. |
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Thats one way to look at it. I read it the other way but I'm certianly no lawyer. Time will tell I guess what this really means. Like I said, these are just labels that really mean nothing. I know some of you Colt guys hold the term "AR15" near & dear to your hearts, but they are all AR15's in my book. |
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In that article, the myth of Bushmaster M4's that reached service are put to rest.
ArfCom gets a shout out as well on page 21! |
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Colt also tried to merge with Bushmaster, but Bushy denied them becasue Colt wouldn't drop the charges. This happened in 1999 and is mentioned on page 36.
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Bunch of good stuff in there....... |
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Ha-Ha! Suck it down, you anti-civilian pieces of dog shit! Maybe next time you'll spend time and money improving your product line, instead of trying to damage a fellow firearms manufacturer. |
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If one of the two companies needs to improve its product line, its the one in Maine, not the one in Connecticut. |
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One of BFI's customers is indeed the Department of Energy. I know this because an operator for DOE told me how much they didn't like BFI products, and that Colt was superior.
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There is likely room for improvement in both companies' lines.
Interesting news, nonetheless. |
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