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Posted: 12/8/2005 5:08:38 AM EDT
So, Is the over rated "G36" I mean XM8 dead? What's the programs status? What was the result of the SCAR tests, Was the FN chosen? The Robinson entry looked great, too bad it wasn't given a chance. The military should just get it's head out of it's ass and take the M468 Barrett! Thanks.
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oh, hello there little trolls said the ogre.... well I don't have an Xbox and don't intend on buying any chinese made crap. I hear the damn thing doesn't even work. Nothing wrong with my question, By the way, I notice both of you unlike me are not dues paying members, lets see, use the sight and make negative comments but to cheap to pay for a membership to help support the site, yeah, your very mature.
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From what I've read the XM8 had been dead for almost a year, and the SCAR has been offically selected.
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This is accurate. I was just reading a Military magainze article about the XM8. Does anyone want to guess on how much the ARMY spent on testing the XM8???? C4 |
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OO OO!! PICK ME! PICK ME! Dr. Evil "One millllllllion dollars" |
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Hello and welcome to last year
Yes the XM8 is cancelled, the FN ARM has been selected for the SCAR program and given the designation Mk16 (5.56mm version) and Mk17 (7.62x51 version). ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=256500 ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=414847 ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=77451 ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=188785 XM8 cancellation thread: ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=405276 |
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Nevermind. |
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Add 28 Mil. to that number and you go it! C4 |
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For a POS G36 made to look more like a Flounder.....out-fucking-standing. |
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I wonder how many rounds of 77gr. 5.56 you could buy with $29 million?
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Does anyone have a pick of the SCAR Rifle? When is it supposed to be fielded?
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Look at the links I posted. |
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Thank you. |
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It is heavier, but consider how much a M4 similarly equipped weighs. I'd be willing to bet there's alot of weight in that stock and the one piece aluminum upper. Add on a rail system, flip up iron sights, and an upgraded stock to the M4, and it's probably very similar, if not more than the ARM.
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*not to hijack thread but* Is it true that the SCAR is going to be produced in a civilian version?
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M4: Weight: 2.52 kg without magazine;
SCAR L (5.56): 3.5 kg empty SCAR H (7.62): 3.86 kg empty This is according to World Guns |
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FNH USA does publicly admit that the ARM rifles are planned for civilian production. They hope to start by early 2007, but that could change at any time based on it's contract status.
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That mag looks bigger than typical 5.56 mag. Is that 7.62? |
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As I remember it.... it had several problems, but it was really canceled due to Non-Compete.
www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m8-oicw.htm
Hardwarz |
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Just so that I get this straight. Is the Army considering the Tavor, or are they just looking at it, or are they not looking at it anymore?
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will the 556 use AR mags? |
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FN F2000
FN P90 FN F2000 and now the FN ARM Wow, FN is going to make a lot of money from civilian sales! |
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Yep, and the ARM(H) uses a modified FAL mag. |
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If it's less than $2K, I'm all over it. When it does come out, I suspect the value of any Robarm XCR will plummet faster than a basejumper with a tangled chute. |
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SOCOM wants ARMY to buy SCAR so SOCOM doesn't have to pay for it. Nothing is set in stone yet and the Army Navy and AF are moving in different directions. HK is well placed with 416/417 which may be a better logistical answer. Other manufacturers are in the mix. Expect no major decisions for 18 months.
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Myself as well...........that and an FN 2000
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I'm probably gonna have to pick up AT LEAST an FN PS90 if that $20 a box of 50 5.7mm comes out from Midway USA soon. Maybe an F2000. What I'm REALLY looking forward to is the SIG550. |
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It takes more than an outlay of cash to gain credibility here.... |
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Hey, my XBOX 360 works just fine!
I like the SCAR, and I still love the AR-15/M16 platform. I just want both in 6.8. |
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9 page Tacked thread in Rifles, Uppers, Lowers, and Barrels section
The common mantra I keep hearing about it is that it will cost what a Colt M4 cost. To the civilian, that usually means $1300 and less and for once, I'm getting excited about something new. WIZZO |
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Hmmmmmmm? SCAR.com? |
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My main concern about civilian pricing is the success of the PS90 & FS2000.... The PS90 is going anywhere from 1399-1799 (respectively) and the FS2000 will be going for an average of 2-300 more retail. So you are looking at around 1699+ on an FS2000 which is made of plastic, etc.. The PS90 has been a slam dunk for FN and when the FS200 starts to ship it will have just as much, if not more, success than the PS90.... I am just concerned that this could effect FN's pricing policy for the civilian sector. I am hoping that the ARM-L will fall into the same price region as the FS200 but I am just not so sure... I think that FN will do us right when they start civilian pricing.... I just hope that they don't break the 2G mark because that would make it a very unpopular gun no matter how many integrated rails it has Anyway, I too await the announcment at SHOT, so let's all pray and cross our fingers |
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Sounds about right... we are doing serious lessons learned evaluations and a lot of people are discovering that what we *thought* we wanted a few years ago, is not what we *need* now. Expect to see some new ideas down the road, GD is shaping up to be a jugernaut, with the purchase of XM-8 and Colt (and others) they may have something in the works that will be a surprise? |
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Maybe for conventional units. Little birdie told me that Group already has fielded them. I don't know if it's to test them out or for missions. It would not surprise me if SOCOM does have them. All this info is hersey, since I didn't see any operators with them, nor did I go to Group and ask if I could tour their arms room.
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Honestly, the M16 design now has gas piston uppers, interchangeable MRP barrel systems, and even seeing an interchangeable magwell design- then I bet we'll see the M16 a while longer. You are talking about some major production and tooling costs to switch to a new system when there is already an excellent system in place that only needs a bit more tweeking.
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No No No it would be SCARFCOM |
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I don't know, the ARM seems to be a complete solution while retaining modularity. The AR-15 is supremely modular, but perhaps that will count against it. Anyone who owns their own AR-15 and is in the military probably has a few tweaks they would like to apply to their service weapon. The military can't accomodate them all. I am interested in the ARM to see what it can bring to the table. A fully ambidextrous integrated solution would be quite nice for a change. You wouldn't have people griping that their particular favorite brand of accessory was not chosen.
Another way to look at it is this. 16/32 bit windows platforms were working fine for home users, MS patched them and released new versions for years. Eventually though, the whole system had to be scrapped because there were too many add-ons and plug-in modules. Win2k's kernel was a totally new way of running a home computer and it integrated everything offered by the 16/32 bit windows while discarding the duct tape holding the old software together. Electronics move fast, perhaps we are just seeing the natural order of things except played out over the decades in a slower branch of technology. Summed up in a sentance, I am skeptical, but very interested. |
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The cost for a modular lower, monolithic upper with a quick change barrel feature, plus a piston operated gas system conversion would be astronomical. Also remember the government doesn't want to buy mixed parts and ship them all over the country just so they can mold all of those products into one firearm. Until someone comes out with a rifle that has all of that stuff in one package, chances are they will never see any large scale contracts. As I have heard it said, SOCOM was not looking for a band aid. While all of that stuff is just freaking sweet, it makes no sense to outsource to multiple different companies to make one rifle that only has the outward appearance of what it used to be. Fixing the M16 to that point is essentially a whole new weapon system. |
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