***CATASTROPHIC*** cam pin failure (Pic request, no pictures inside)

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - ***CATASTROPHIC*** cam pin failure (Pic request, no pictures inside)

Posted: 12/4/2005 6:45:00 AM EDT

Does anyone know someone who fired their AR without the cam pin installed?

Does anyone have any pictures?

Posted: 12/4/2005 6:48:31 AM EDT

[#1]

HEHE Ican't wait to see this.

Posted: 12/4/2005 6:49:22 AM EDT

[#2]

Tag for something rediculous.

Posted: 12/4/2005 7:30:54 AM EDT

[#3]

*UP*

I know someone has to have pics of this...

Posted: 12/4/2005 12:20:55 PM EDT

[#4]

yea, I'd like to see this too...............but I'm not sure why anyone would ever try it.

Posted: 12/4/2005 1:19:18 PM EDT

[#5]

Try that and a broken AR will be the least of your worries..

Posted: 12/4/2005 1:23:15 PM EDT

[#6]

PICS

Posted: 12/4/2005 1:25:46 PM EDT

[#7]

Tagged for the chaos

Posted: 12/4/2005 1:27:49 PM EDT

[#8]

The shooter could always remotely fire the gun.

If people have enough money to shoot barrels until they glow (And destroy other guns), I'm sure someone has done this...

Posted: 12/4/2005 1:29:31 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
The shooter could always remotely fire the gun.

If people have enough money to shoot barrels until they glow (And destroy other guns), I'm sure someone has done this...

There are alot of stupid people out there.. Bet you you are right...

Posted: 12/4/2005 2:14:02 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
HEHE Ican't wait to see this.

+1

Posted: 12/4/2005 2:30:31 PM EDT

[#11]

Posted: 12/4/2005 2:37:03 PM EDT

[#12]

Maybe I am not understanding the mechanics right, but wouldn't the just fire the round and then jam?

As the round is fired the gas coming back hits the carrier key which drives the carrier to the rear. The bolt, which should rotate its way out of the chamber, won't, so it will sit there. Hence the carrier, without the cam pin but with the firing key and cotter pin, will continue rearward, hit the buffer, and head back forward. Upon arriving back at the end of the bolt it might catch as the firing pin attempts to thread the needle back into the bolt (assuming bolt has not moved). If it does manage to thread the needle it will just be sitting there with a spent round in the chamber (as it was never ejected initially).

Am I missing anything?

Posted: 12/4/2005 3:00:46 PM EDT

[#13]

<<The bolt, which should rotate its way out of the chamber, won't, so it will sit there. >>

There is the error in your logic. Without the cam pin, the bolt would never be rotated into the locked postition. So, your are firing a round completely OUT OF BATTERY. Party Time !!!!!

Posted: 12/4/2005 3:01:48 PM EDT

[#14]

Yea id love to fire an AR with nothing keeping the pin level and stable with all that gas pressure and the bolt over rotating..the cam stops the bolt from rotating so far ..yes/no?With nothing holding the bolt in wouldnt the bolt be pulled out of the carrier by the extension lugs of the barrel at that high pressure...im thinking catasrophic failure.Theres a reason the military manual says it can explode if the cam pin is left out.Im thinking in the past forty years its already been tried for the warning to make it in the manual or am I missing something here.Why dont we start another fire it under water thread.

Posted: 12/4/2005 4:10:59 PM EDT

[#15]

...just slowing down to see the train wreck.

Posted: 12/4/2005 8:27:50 PM EDT

[#16]

The title might help get something going...

Posted: 12/4/2005 8:44:23 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
The title might help get something going...

FALSE ADVERTISING.

If you want to see pics, check here tinypic.com/er3w4c

Posted: 12/4/2005 8:45:02 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Quoted:
The title might help get something going...

FALSE ADVERTISING.

If you want to see pics, check here tinypic.com/er3w4c

Not werking.

Posted: 12/4/2005 8:46:50 PM EDT

[#19]

I have to tag this just in case someone actually posts a pic.

WIZZO

Posted: 12/4/2005 8:46:58 PM EDT

[#20]

link is no good. Thought poster had pics, but didn't post them. So i posted a link, with no pics. lol....

i guess it's time for me to get more coffee. only another 7 hours left on shift.

Posted: 12/4/2005 8:50:01 PM EDT

[#21]

Don't be a dipshit. If you have pics of a "CATASTROPHIC PIN CAM FAILURE", fuckin post 'em; otherwise, label this thread "Pic request, no pictures inside".
Posting 101 HKShooter, not difficult stuff.

Posted: 12/4/2005 8:50:59 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Don't be a dipshit. If you have pics of a "CATASTROPHIC PIN CAM FAILURE", fuckin post 'em; otherwise, label this thread "Pic request, no pictures inside".
Posting 101 HKShooter, not difficult stuff.

so im not the only one who was miffed....

Posted: 12/4/2005 9:01:49 PM EDT

[#23]

I've heard from a reputable source that firingan M4 without the cam pin causes the BC and buffer to try and puch its way out of the back of the buffer tube. Ouch.

Posted: 12/4/2005 9:09:12 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Don't be a dipshit. If you have pics of a "CATASTROPHIC PIN CAM FAILURE", fuckin post 'em; otherwise, label this thread "Pic request, no pictures inside".
Posting 101 HKShooter, not difficult stuff.

I figured that I would get more interest in my post and possibly a poster might have pictures.

As you can see the demand is here.

If I am not susposed to do this, let me know.

Posted: 12/4/2005 11:11:42 PM EDT

[#25]

Thanks for fixing it. It's not against any rules I know of, it's just one of those unwritten things. Like if I started a thread that said in the title, "M855 delivered for $50 per case! Link! and then inside asked, "So, who's got a link? Anyone heard of a deal this good?"

Anyways, here's a bump for you and your pic request.

Posted: 12/5/2005 12:06:56 AM EDT

[#26]

PICS! PICS! PICS! PICS! CHUG!.... I mean PICS!

Posted: 12/5/2005 1:10:45 AM EDT

[#27]

tag

Posted: 12/5/2005 11:36:23 PM EDT

[#28]

This ain't getting anywhere...

Posted: 12/6/2005 12:36:15 AM EDT

[#29]

this thread = teh ghey

- rem

Posted: 12/6/2005 1:26:21 AM EDT

[#30]

Posted: 12/6/2005 8:05:48 AM EDT

[#31]

Up...

Posted: 12/6/2005 8:42:40 AM EDT

[#32]

I guess no such thing has happened.

Posted: 12/6/2005 9:03:15 AM EDT

[#33]

**Catastrophic False advertising*** I want my money back.

Posted: 12/6/2005 9:26:25 AM EDT

[#34]

I'd be we aren't seeing pics 'cause whoever did this well... didn't last long enough to take pics?

Posted: 12/6/2005 3:20:56 PM EDT

[#35]

Boooooooo

Posted: 12/6/2005 5:34:24 PM EDT

[#36]

If enough of you pitch in $10 each, I'll remotely fire one of my ARs without the cam pin.

Posted: 12/6/2005 5:41:37 PM EDT

[#37]

What would even make you think of this topic?

Do you plan on firing your AR without the cam pin, but want to see what'll happen before you do?

Posted: 12/6/2005 5:46:22 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
What would even make you think of this topic?

Do you plan on firing your AR without the cam pin, but want to see what'll happen before you do?

Someone was dumb enough to fire their gun underwater...

That was interesting to look at...

Posted: 12/6/2005 10:59:54 PM EDT

[#39]

Yeah, might want to stick a disclaimer in here in case some dumbfuck tries it.

The rifle will explode if fired without the cam pin installed. So sayeth the TM.