With all of these National Guard and Military personal in New Orleans I hope they were issued ammo. I had 2 friends who were called up immediatly following 911 to guard bridges in NYC, they were not issued ammo.... I hope these troops who have to deal with the shoe stealing looters who are firing at the cops and at the medivacs have ammo.
Joe

A Guardsman was shot earlier today, and I am with you on this, they need to have full battleload outs.  The chance is too real that they could be cut off or isolated.

Probably won't get ammo. If you brought your own hide out mag and got caught with it your screwed .

I'd rather be screwed than dead. In more ways then one......h.gif

I see it this way.

If they shoot at the NG or threaten them with a gun, they should be another casualty to the storm.

The people stealing food and water makes sense. The people taking anything on the shelves just because they can are deserving at least a leg-shot....something to make them think about what they've done

WIZZO

This situation is bad! These troops are being sent out against thugs.... Why do we do this? Any other place on the face of the world these assholes would be shot.
It makes me sick to watch how our own troops in the USA protecting themselves, have no protection...

Im headed there in a day or two. Im in an infantry unit. We are bringing pro mask, IBA, and are getting ammo issued. So this is getting serious.

I live outside Shreveport, LA. and with the crap in NO. and all the empty gas stations around here today,  the SHTF senerios rushed into my head so I went out to stock up on some 5.56 among other things (have plenty of ammo for my other guns, but just bought my AR a few weeks ago and was lacking in that department).  I went to 3 gun/pawn shops that I frequent often and they all said the same thing, "law enforcement came in and bought it all up".   One said, "some local officers were being sent to NO and they came in and bought ammo and body armour".  I don't know if it was out of their pockets or if it was on the city's dime, but they pretty much cleaned them out of 5.56 (at least the shops I went to).  I did happen to get away with a case of Federal AE223, which will have to do for now.  Don't know if any of that was relevant to the topic, just passin' on my findings.  I do think if you live around my neck of the woods, your short on ammo, and feel you "need" it, don't wait much longer, it might be gone when you get there.  Be prepared everybody.

Ben

My wife's uncle and several other MSNG from the 155th were able to come home for a while. They were about to go back to Iraq, but they were sent to the Gulf Coast instead. All the other NG I know have also been sent. I guess they are staging somewhere so they can hit it tomorrow.

it was questioned not stated if they would be issued ammo or not

The guardsman that was wounded was shot with his own weapon in a struggle with a looter.  You do the math.

Quoted: The guardsman that was wounded was shot with his own weapon in a struggle with a looter.  You do the math.

More proof that these scum just need to be shot on site IMO

Quoted: This kind of BS really pisses me off!!  Haven't we learned some of the lessons from BLT 1/8 in Lebanon. Those weapons should be loaded and hot ! I would guess many of the NG have combat experience, if they are not authorized to carry ammo . . .who the heck should be ?

+1

If they can not have ammo, how can they be expected to defend anything or anyone?

Give them the tools they need. Let them have the ammo and plenty of it.

Quoted: The guardsman that was wounded was shot with his own weapon in a struggle with a looter.  You do the math.

link to back that up please?

Quoted: Quoted: The guardsman that was wounded was shot with his own weapon in a struggle with a looter.  You do the math. link to back that up please?

apnews.excite.com/article/20050902/D8CC0T900.html
New Orleans Descends Into Anarchy



Sep 2, 4:35 AM (ET)

By ALLEN G. BREED



NEW ORLEANS (AP) - New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday as corpses lay abandoned in street medians, fights and fires broke out, cops turned in their badges and the governor declared war on looters who have made the city a menacing landscape of disorder and fear.

"They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said of 300 National Guard troops who landed in New Orleans fresh from duty in Iraq. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."

Four days after Hurricane Katrina roared in with a devastating blow that inflicted potentially thousands of deaths, the fear, anger and violence mounted Thursday.

"I'm not sure I'm going to get out of here alive," said Canadian tourist Larry Mitzel, who handed a reporter his business card in case he goes missing. "I'm scared of riots. I'm scared of the locals. We might get caught in the crossfire."


The chaos deepened despite the promise of 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting, plans for a $10 billion recovery bill in Congress and a government relief effort President Bush called the biggest in U.S. history.

New Orleans' top emergency management official called that effort a "national disgrace" and questioned when reinforcements would actually reach the increasingly lawless city.

About 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans convention center grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead. Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults.

"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."

Col. Henry Whitehorn, chief of the Louisiana State Police, said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers - many of whom from flooded areas - turning in their badges.
"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Whitehorn said.

A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away.

In hopes of defusing the situation at the convention center, Mayor Ray Nagin gave the refugees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they could find. But the bedlam made that difficult.

"This is a desperate SOS," Nagin said in a statement. "Right now we are out of resources at the convention center and don't anticipate enough buses."

At least seven bodies were scattered outside the convention center, a makeshift staging area for those rescued from rooftops, attics and highways. The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement.

An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.

"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair.

"You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people," he added. "You can go overseas with the military, but you can't get them down here."

The street outside the center, above the floodwaters, smelled of urine and feces, and was choked with dirty diapers, old bottles and garbage.

"They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said. "They're telling us they're going to come get us one day, and then they don't show up."
Every so often, an armored state police vehicle cruised in front of the convention center with four or five officers in riot gear with automatic weapons. But there was no sign of help from the National Guard.

At one point the crowd began to chant "We want help! We want help!" Later, a woman, screaming, went on the front steps of the convention center and led the crowd in reciting the 23rd Psalm, "The Lord is my shepherd ..."

"We are out here like pure animals," the Issac Clark said.

"We've got people dying out here - two babies have died, a woman died, a man died," said Helen Cheek. "We haven't had no food, we haven't had no water, we haven't had nothing. They just brought us here and dropped us."

Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell - it's every man for himself.'"
"This is just insanity," she said. "We have no food, no water ... all these trucks and buses go by and they do nothing but wave."

FEMA director Michael Brown said the agency just learned about the situation at the convention center Thursday and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses.

Speaking on CNN's "Larry King Live," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the evacuation of New Orleans should be completed by the end of the weekend.

At the hot and stinking Superdome, where 30,000 were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, fistfights and fires erupted amid a seething sea of tense, suffering people who waited in a lines that stretched a half-mile to board yellow school buses.

After a traffic jam kept buses from arriving for nearly four hours, a near-riot broke out in the scramble to get on the buses that finally did show up, with a group of refugees breaking through a line of heavily armed National Guardsmen.

One military policeman was shot in the leg as he and a man scuffled for the MP's rifle, police Capt. Ernie Demmo said. The man was arrested.
Some of those among the mostly poor crowd had been in the dome for four days without air conditioning, working toilets or a place to bathe. An ambulance service airlifting the sick and injured out of the Superdome suspended flights as too dangerous after it was reported that a bullet was fired at a military helicopter.

Quoted: I see it this way. If they shoot at the NG or threaten them with a gun, they should be another casualty to the storm. The people stealing food and water makes sense. The people taking anything on the shelves just because they can are deserving at least a leg-shot....something to make them think about what they've done WIZZO

I disagree if somone needs shooting they need CM hits.