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Posted: 9/1/2005 12:42:54 PM EDT
Last week I purchased and installed a enidine hydraulic buffer in my new dpms
m4 after reading so may positive reviews here . On its first range trip the rifle functioned flawlessly except for not locking open on an empty mag . My rifle has a 16 inch barrel and I'm using lc 62gr green tip . I purchased a tubb spring but will this make the problem worse or better ? It will be a couple of weeks before the next range trip but should I chalk up a 100 dollar loss and buy the MGI buffer . I don't think installing a lighter spring so my buffer will impact the frame harder is acceptable . What are your thoughts please ? Jeff |
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The bolt not being held back has been reported by several users. If this is a common and "normal" by product of using the buffer I will purchase an MGI buffer as well.
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Hell I'll give you $70.00 for your Enidine buffer... E-mail or PM me if interested.
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i dont own a eindine but have any of the ones experiencing the problems upgrade their mag springs?
i have the mgi and it functions flawlessly |
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I had read in other reviews that this is possible but with short barreled ar's ( 11.5")
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read what |
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I have not tested the Enidyne in less than 14.5", but it runs fine and locks back like normal... If your weapon is new - have you lubed the bolt assy and buffer tube thoroughly?
You can also try a Wolff reduced power buffer spring during break-in before giving up on your new purchase. Or shoot a few hundred more rounds with the std buffer and then give it a good cleaning and lube and try it again... Good luck with it. |
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I've never had any issues with my standard buffer either |
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Yes - We have a few left at the moment: dsgarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=566 |
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I believe I solved the problem . There is a MGI buffer on it's way to me .
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Sorry Simon I beat you to it! Funds went out this morning to Jeff for the lightly used Enidine buffer. It should make a nice addition to my LW 10.3" Jesse |
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I could T&E the Enidine buffer just last weekend with some of my mates.
We had 15.5 , 14.5 , 16 and 20" barrels carbines , all of us were amazed by the Enidine buffer performances and no one of us got any trouble indeed . All of us is going to get one of this buffer for our hardware . Jus my 0.2 Eurocents, PP out |
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They are good stuff for sure. The #1 problem people have with the Enidine is that they are NOT using Military grade ammo. Commercial stuff is generally to under pressured to get the bolt to lock back on the last round. They are also using some fancy spring when they should just be using a normal car spring. C4 |
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Enidine is looking at prepping a special 'big-bore' buffer for the .458s,.499s and .50s of this world. Stay tuned.
Grant....you going to make Modern Day Marine in Q-Town? Should have a M95 and a rifle length Arrestor there. |
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I was invited to go, but my other job calls and I cannot make. C4 |
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The original poster was using Lake City ammo and a standard CAR spring. |
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If it was the PD version of the LC then I know what the issue was! C4 |
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I'm going to try one of the Enidine buffers. I should have it this coming week. I look forward to it after reading so much about them.
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He sure didn't give it much of a chance did he? Why ask for opinions if you are just going to ignore all the good advice? Just MY opinion here. I think the Enidine buffers kick a**.
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All surplus ammo is seconds AFAIK. There isn't enough Grade 1 to fill demand and Uncle Sam ahs to buy in.
Some of the older foreign stuff might be 'proper' surplus. My guns are tested with 62gr. Black Hills Blue Box. Simon Simon |
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+1 I am sold out of Enidine buffers right now. ZERO have been returned. I have been running one for about two months and it has always worked great. |
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Where can I read up more info and reviews on this buffer, sounds interesting. And im building a 14.5 m4gery so it might help, yes?
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Memyselfi.....if you are in the Hondo area, just get in touch with 48th Highlander of Grenadier Precision and he'll likely take you out and let you shoot his LW gas piston SBR with the enidine.
Enidine AR-restor PDF |
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Thanks, im actually in the west houston area...dont know where hondo is |
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A quick note to those that say I'm not listening to good advice. All responses up till I left town for a few days said that my problem was NORMAL with the endine buffer or to install a lighter spring which I said in my 1st post was unacceptable. Or even to lube up the buffer and spring , which I have read elswhere here is not recomended. If you think the gun you stake your life and that of your family on not functioning properly with ANY type of ammo is acceptable then go ahead and buy the endine and good luck !
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Grant, we also shot American Eagle 55gr FMJ ammo , no troubles found even in 10.5 barrel . PP out |
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Interesting! Most of the 10.5's I have heard having issues were also running a KRINK and NON Mil-Spec ammo. C4 |
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Hondo is about 45 minutes west of San Antonio on HWY 90. If your ever in the San Antonio or Hondo area look us up for a test fire. |
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I've had no problems using 10, 10.5, 11.5, 14.5 and 16 inch uppers. Also used Lake City XM193 and 55gr PMC. Also some old South African. First I've heard of this issue. The only thing I notice is that it takes a little extra umph to lock the slide back. Other than that no problems.
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NewARGuy, please post your findings witht he Enidine!
I haven't tried mine yet, my upper is at Adco. Thanks, Nuts{WoC} |
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I have had the same problems with teh enidine buffer in my SPR. I tried the Wolf heavy buffer spring, the buffer that came with my LMT stock and the standard CAR buffer spring. The only one that worked with holding the bolt open was the CAR spring. Both of the other springs shot fine but would not hold the bolt open after the last round. I was also using new OKay usgi mags and new HK mags. When I put my MGI buffer in I had no problems whatsoever.
The enidine buffer works and does smooth the rifle out when shooting but having to use the CAR spring did make the weapon lose some of the smoothness and gave it slightly more recoil. I like the enidine but do recommend the MGI. |
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I was having this problem as well. I removed the Wolff Recoil spring and reinstalled the orginal CAR spring. PROBLEM SOLVED |
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Roger. I only use car springs in my AR's and only shoot mil-spec ammo so I have never had any issues. C4 |
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I just got a MGI, ACE Socom stock, and a M16 bolt+Carrier setup last week for my M4gery, i was having the same problem also, some times the bolt would hold open on a empty mag and somtimes it wouldnt. I couldnt figure it out, so i just cleaned everything and lubed the bolt assembly and buffer tube. The next day i went to the range and didnt have one problem
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jlemmy:
I think the problem may be with short stroking because of the Enidine buffer PLUS the Tubbs recoil spring combined. Not the Enidine problem, me thinks. Hope to hear of your experiences with the MGI, I hear it's good product. Rick |
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How would this buffer be beneficial in a semi rifle? What about just using a h2 or h3 or 9mm buffer?
I run a h2 with standard CAR spring and with a Crane ORing and I have had zero problems with both commercial and boxed XM193. |
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I'm just learning myself. Users of these buffers report less recoil and better muzzle control, especially with full auto but also with Semi.
Also, with a suppressor and subsequent higher pressures a different buffer can moderate overpressure issues. Rick |
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jlemmy:
I think the problem may be with short stroking because of the Enidine buffer PLUS the Tubbs recoil spring combined. Not the Enidine problem, me thinks. Hope to hear of your experiences with the MGI, I hear it's good product. Rick rick : I never ran the enidine with anything but the stock car spring , I was just curious if the tubb spring would cure the isue or not. Anyway the MGI buffer is working out great . 100% reliable so far, after 1000 rounds not one issue . I'm sure the enidine is a great product , it just didn't work out for my rifle . |
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a link to an ongoing debate about the mgi and eindine
it has info about both buffers and what it does for semi-auto. |
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Three people shot my M4 with the Enidine buffer at yesterdays FDCC match. The buffer worked and locked back each time we ran a mag to empty (probably only 4 times.) When I first bought it we shot it a few times with the regular buffer and this new one. Locked back every time on those mags too. Shot Federal American Eagle .223 on the shot testing, and a mix of S. African Surplus and Winchester Q3131a at the FDCC match. So, thus far, the buffer functions just fine.
The gun its in is fairly heavy as is, so maybe this is the reason Im not noticing the dramatic difference in recoil reduction I hear others report. However, I must admit, the one course we ran had us shooting 20 rounds in 30 seconds. All shots had to be on the move into a 8" plate. We started at about 30 yards and moved forward shooting the entire time, to about 5 yards. You had to have shot all your rounds before getting to the 5 yard line, and you cant shoot anything you may have left when your time was up. It was a team event and me and my one partner won this event, and I did notice that the gun was not jumping around very much. I had the most shots on target as well. So maybe its helping more than I am even noticing. BTW, the above drill was more difficult than anyone expected! |
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