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Posted: 7/30/2005 7:32:17 AM EDT
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I have this setup on my bushy 16" m4 upper. It is a very tight fit. I had to have a buddy help me put it on.
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Posted: 7/30/2005 7:32:31 AM EDT
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the newer yhm is suppose to fit properly.
get in touch with brightflashlights in the industry forum and see what he says. he's a yhm dealer and would take care of you. |
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Posted: 7/30/2005 7:33:10 AM EDT
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Thanks
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Posted: 7/30/2005 9:34:27 AM EDT
[#4]
Yes.
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Posted: 7/30/2005 9:40:31 AM EDT
[#5]
Someone please PIN this. LOL
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Posted: 7/30/2005 9:40:50 AM EDT
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Thats the setup?
Looks great! Guess I will order a Tango. Thanks |
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Posted: 7/30/2005 9:52:55 AM EDT
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Yes, here is another one, I hope it helps..... 
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Posted: 7/30/2005 9:56:21 AM EDT
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Are the covers on the forend functional or necessary or just for show?
Thanks |
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Posted: 7/30/2005 10:18:26 AM EDT
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SHOWOFF! 
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Posted: 7/30/2005 10:25:01 AM EDT
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The rails are somewhat sharp, and while they aren't going to cut you just sitting around, they will get hot, catch or gear, or scratch you up while running drills. If nothing else, throw on the ladder rail covers like these..... 
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Posted: 7/30/2005 10:26:59 AM EDT
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I've got more, but strictly for medicinal purposes
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Posted: 7/30/2005 11:52:32 AM EDT
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Thanks, stickman , pics and info very helpful.
Perry |
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Posted: 7/30/2005 12:11:07 PM EDT
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+1 Nice rifles |
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Posted: 7/30/2005 1:21:31 PM EDT
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I mean if you are running and gunning and you rifle falls or catches rocks would rather trash a $13.00 rail cover or a $130.00 rail ? |
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Posted: 7/30/2005 1:31:31 PM EDT
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I wish I could take pics like that Stickman Dude.
Danny 
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Posted: 8/1/2005 6:10:27 PM EDT
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Heres an email form Tango about the YHM 2 piece carbine forend
Dear Perry, Thank you for contacting us. We have seen mixed results with Yankee Hill Machine commercial rails. Some are MIL-STD 1913 compliant, some are not. Our BGV-MK46 vertical grip is intended for MIL-STD 1913 rails only. We supply a drawing of the MIL-STD in our instructions, use this as a comparison when looking at rails. Best regards, TangoDown LLC Customer Service Perry > Will your vertical grip work on a Yankee Hill 2 piece forend. > > Thanks, Perry -- [email protected] |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 6:24:41 PM EDT
[#17]
 T-I-G-H-T! |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 6:40:01 PM EDT
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TIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 8/2/2005 7:56:16 PM EDT
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Triggerfish, could you put up some more info on that bad boy?
Thanks |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 7:59:08 PM EDT
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I have the exact setup on one of my m4geries -
 VERY tight fit. |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 9:30:45 AM EDT
[#21]
No way, that guy sucks!!  |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 10:29:29 AM EDT
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This is correct. I would say that you have a 50/50 chance of the TD VG fitting (without having to us a hammer or removing some of the material from the TD VG). I must ask the question; why do people buy one of the cheapest rails on the market and then buy one of the most expensive VG's on the market (would really like to know). C4 |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 10:36:18 AM EDT
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I don't see the issue with it every time this question comes up. If the TD grip is a little tight, it isn't rocket science to shave it down a hair, or to tap it on. I'm not interested in what the cool kids use, I'm interested in function. I don't need a FF rail on my duty weapon, so I don't use one. I feel the TD grip is the msot comfortable for me, so I use it. Simple answer, it works. |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 10:46:17 AM EDT
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Not the point. It ISN'T a matter of being able to MAKE it fit, but more of a matter of why do you HAVE to make it fit. Since YHM claims that their rails follow the M1913 spec and TD claims the same thing then it should be a perfect match right??? Someone is not telling the truth and I will let you figure out who it is. I am one of those people that likes specifics and also likes to hold manufactureres to their word. If they tell me that their product follows a standard or does something then I expect it to do it. If you buy a Corevette because the manufacturere states that it does 0-60 in 4.3 seconds and you find out that it does 0-6 in 9.0 seconds, wouldn't you be a little pissed??? C4 P.S. If your running a TD VG and a LaRue Tactical mount then you ARE using what the "cool kids" are use! 
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Posted: 8/3/2005 10:52:26 AM EDT
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They aren't perfect, but the issue is a minor one at best.
The analogy is unrealistic, its more like saying there is a longer break in period on your new car than you thought. I understand that the TD vs YHM issue bothers you, but it just isn't that big of a deal to me. Its functional, and works with every other grip out there. I would rather have the grip a little tight, than a little loose, even if it means I do a little fitting myself. PS-In my quest to "go lighter", I've pulled the rails off my duty carbine anyway. Now I can never be cool.... 
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Posted: 8/3/2005 11:04:41 AM EDT
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I understand your point of view if in fact you have only used one set of YHM rails and TD VG's (and they went on with minimal effort). I on the other hand have seen well over 10 YHM rails and TD VG not fit (at all). Meaning we had to dremel and or use a large hammer. Shearing off material from the TD VG. This is a NO JOY as far as I am concerned and is false advertising. So I do have issue with them and what they state (that their rails are mil-spec). Does the fact that YHM rails don't always follow the M1913 spec really matter??? Not in the least. The only time most anyone would EVER notice this is if they bought a YHM rail and a TD VG. Even then there is a chance that you got a good rail and the TD VG slide right on. My thought is that if your interested in the YHM rails then go for it. If you want to go with a TD VG then be aware that it MIGHT not fit without having to do some pounding or modifications. That is my only point and is NOT intended to bash YHM, but to just make unsuspecting buyers aware. C4 |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 11:08:41 AM EDT
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For $20 to $30 more, I suggest the MidWest Industries 2 piece HG. Much better fit and finish.
I know because I sold my YHM unit once the MI HG arrived. I had to file a bit off my TDVG to get it to fit on the YHM HG. YHM makes some nice stuff, don't get me wrong. But, the MI HG is much, much better and is MIL-STD 1913. I had to buy a new TDVG b/c from filing it down to get it to fit on the YHM HG, it was loose on the MI HG. Here's a sneak peak at the MI HG. It can be had in the EE. Note where the TDVG was Dremeled to fit the YHM HG. Both the YHM HG and filed-down TDVG have been replaced.    HS1 |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 11:43:11 AM EDT
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Nope, I've used quite a few, and had to fit more than one. |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 12:20:32 PM EDT
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Its your money so do with it as you will. Its just not supposed to work like that (shouldn't have to "fit" anything). C4 |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 12:21:05 PM EDT
[#30]
Looks nice! C4 |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 12:29:04 PM EDT
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Oddly enough, I do. |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 12:42:51 PM EDT
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C4i Grant thanks for the reply. I am fairly new to Ar stuff, I want the rails but I didn't want the free float because of the installation and from reading on this board a FF was not necesssary on my M4 with the 14.5'' barrel, I thought bybuying YHM, I was getting a great quality 2 piece rail. When I realized the Tango grip problem, I almost did not want to order aYHM, I though about a Midwest (is the company right?)2 piece for around $159. What I worry about is future purchses, and if I will have aproblem down the road when I get a Surefire for the rail, will it not fit surefire?? I will see what happens when I get. If it the VG grip doesn't fit I may send the YHM back. What other two piece rail would you recommend? Thanks, Perry |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 1:00:19 PM EDT
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My YHM HG and MI HG both hold my SureFire wARMS mount no problem. Get the MI HG $129.95 delivered in the Equipment Exchange. Far better than the YHM HG, IMHO. HS1 |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 1:11:30 PM EDT
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I would first like to address the comment about FF your barrel. While it DOES improve accuracy, the bigger in my mind is pressure applied onto the barrel. This is not so much a concern until you start hanging gear off the rail (like lights, lasers, VG, bipod, etc). They I believe that the weight has a negative effect on the barrel. So IMHO FF rails are the ONLY way to go on ANY weapon (even if the weapon is not capable of extreme accuracy). The second issue is that you might not have a single issue with the YHM rails and TD VG. There are tons of folks that have not. The MI rail looks promising (don't sell it), but BCO tells me that they are nice. I would also look at the TROY rail. It is a two piece FF system and is well made. C4 |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 1:12:37 PM EDT
[#35]
This true. No one should have ANY issue with getting an ARMS mount to fit on a YHM rail. C4 |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 1:50:47 PM EDT
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Thanks for reply, I will consider the FF, is it a hard install for a newbie, don't I need punches and torque wrench etc.. Perry |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 1:51:26 PM EDT
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Thanks I will check it out, is it under a certain vendor? Perry |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 1:58:17 PM EDT
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Installing the TROY FF is a piece of cake (just need a hack saw to cut off the delta ring). Other FF rails like the DD or LT requires some specific tools. While it isn't hard to do I would seek help from someone local that has done it before. C4 |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 1:59:09 PM EDT
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Paul @ www.bravocompanyusa.com sells them and is VERY reputable. C4 |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 4:01:40 PM EDT
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If this YHM doesn't work out, I think I could install that Troy Industries MRF-C rail. It clamps to the barrel nut, so I guess bye bye delta ring?? |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 5:12:47 PM EDT
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This is correct. C4 |
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