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Posted: 5/16/2005 11:59:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2005 11:59:48 AM EDT
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It seems the only people that have ever said the M16 is being replaced by the XM8 is HK themselves, and the other people responsible for pushing it. HK previously sold the design to someone else IIRC, so that should give a good idea as to where it's fate is headed if it's in fact true.
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Posted: 5/16/2005 1:38:49 PM EDT
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old news, standard HK propaganda.
XM8=DOA  |
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Posted: 5/16/2005 1:48:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2005 2:20:21 PM EDT
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how many times is this gonna be posted...? the M16A2 is NOT being replaced!! the Army denied the XM8 a while ago...sheesh
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Posted: 5/16/2005 3:19:31 PM EDT
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DIE xm-8, DIE!!!!
 m16 is here to stay now if the military would get smart and change the caliber..... |
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Posted: 5/16/2005 3:31:28 PM EDT
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Maybe we should wait and see how the Marines Leitner&wise gas piston conversion on their M4s goes as they L&W just finished the Marine contract for modified M4s and they have been field testing them since the beginning of may.I think this system will give every one what they want..a cleaner running less stress on parts more reliable M4..and cost wise it will be less for the conversion than a whole new weapon that the marines wouldnt be buying anyway.If this is accepted as the next M4 improvement all we need is some real good redesigned 5.56 ammo and the M16 family will be going for a long while more.
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Posted: 5/16/2005 3:31:52 PM EDT
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+1 on the M16 staying and changing the caliber. WIZZO |
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Posted: 5/16/2005 3:37:08 PM EDT
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What about the blended metal jacket that looks like ball ammo but is devastating when it hits.Keep the same caliber just make better performing ammo and fuck the hague convention.Hell 5.56 hollow points would be a great improvement.I think more money should be spent on a new 5.56 round and marksmanship..aka how to place those 5.56 rounds.There was a picture thread not long agao showing insurgents hit with 62 gr 5.56.The fight took place at 15 feet and it looked like one guys head had been hit with a sledge hammer but is was SS109...at real world combat ranges of under 50 yds 5.56 is fine.
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Posted: 5/16/2005 3:55:00 PM EDT
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I have heard sooo much bullshit about the XM8 being ten times the rifle the M16 is. Then I hear about FNs rifles kicking HKs venerable XM8 ass in every SCAR trial event that the USSOCOM had with a rifle that does look like an M16 with just a gas piston. I don't believe anything from
HK anymore. The day the US replaces the M16 and the M4 rifles is the day the US Army hands out Charged Ionized Particle Blasters out to soldiers. When I see XM8's in the hands on US soldiers in vast numbers, and hear what the soldiers have to say about it. +2 on the M16 staying but a redesigned bullet or entirely new caliber is needed. |
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Posted: 5/16/2005 4:17:13 PM EDT
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XM8 does not look too promising of a weapon
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Posted: 5/16/2005 4:30:15 PM EDT
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I believe that there is enough desire for our American servicemen to be using AMERICAN weaponry
and major systems that the XM8 will never be adopted. Also, the proposed new tanker aircraft that will eventually replace the venerable and excellent KC-135 will be another Boeing plane, and not an Airbus, which is what one current proposal pushes. Personally, I think that absolutely 100 percent of everything used by our armed services should be 100 percent sourced from the USA. Nothing of foreign origin should be standard issue, but the best foreign weapons should be available for special applications when needed. It sickens me that the Army's berets say Made in China on them. That is SO wrong. CJ |
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Posted: 5/16/2005 5:40:42 PM EDT
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^^A beret is just so wrong. Long live the M-16.
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Posted: 5/16/2005 5:47:09 PM EDT
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Dont expect the M16 to be in service another 40 years. As to which gun is next is anyone's guess
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Posted: 5/16/2005 5:51:55 PM EDT
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Why not the M14 is still being used, hard to walk away from somthing you know works. |
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Posted: 5/16/2005 6:14:59 PM EDT
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Cant have two standard issue rifles for longer than a than a transition period. The M14 exists as a 2nd line weapon with mission specific abilities that the M16 cannot match. The same wont be true for the M16. There would be no benefit in keeping it if a new 5.56 or 6.8 rifle is adopted |
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Posted: 5/16/2005 6:21:52 PM EDT
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American Rifleman is pretty much always puff pieces, I really wouldn't expect them to give a major gun manufacturer a kick in the nutz. I suspect at least some of the "articles" get in there because the manufacturer paid a fee for the article's placement, or some accompanying advertising.
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Posted: 5/16/2005 6:46:34 PM EDT
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I'm hoping the FN SCAR becomes more than the special operations rifle and is adopted as the standard. The AK piston type action solves most of the problems with the M16 and it can use exactly the same magazines that there are millions of. No need for new plastic mags like the XM8.
The FNC 3rd burst mechanism is better than the M16A2 anyway. It will always fire 3 shots, even if you let go of the trigger midway through. |
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Posted: 5/16/2005 6:49:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2005 7:11:23 PM EDT
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I predict this....the leitner wise conversion will be so reliable and cost effective that after finding a capable .223 bullet the design the M4 one day goes to polymer uppers and lowers...I think the M16 has the potential to be around another 40 years if materials used in its manufacture change...with the L&W conversion the Army can have its XM8 in an already familiar design with the reliability of the gas piston....and the basic M16 design garuntees not to over burden the weapons support system logisticaly...a new designed bullet and well be set for a long time to come..then expect the design to be around until we start issuing laser pistols and rifles.
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Posted: 5/16/2005 7:17:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2005 8:05:12 PM EDT
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Hey variablebinary like it or not the Marines are using the L&W M4s in the field and before that 3 years of design and testing and frequent visits by the military,They already have a RAS for it not made by knights and before that 40,000 rounds with out cleaning.......so like it or not I think its gonna be the next design upgrade for the M4...we shall see.
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Posted: 5/17/2005 7:51:18 AM EDT
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Better a Beret then a c--t cap. Always hated that damn thing cept it was easy to slip behind your belt when you took it off. |
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Posted: 5/17/2005 8:06:07 AM EDT
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OH MY GOD! you have to be kidding..... 
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Posted: 5/17/2005 8:13:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/17/2005 8:31:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/17/2005 8:39:39 AM EDT
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The XM8 is uglier than a dog's "A" hole. What a stupid looking rifle----plastic piece of shit!!
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Posted: 5/17/2005 10:58:08 AM EDT
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Until I actually shoot one I won't say it's a POS... but I will say that there is no need for it. The M16/M4s are perfectly fine and work just as well. A rifle that claims to be only slightly more accurate doesn't seem to be enough justification to blow billions on replacing the current platform.
As far as I'm concerned they haven't made any huge breakthrough in weapons technology that would warrant the phasing out of the M16/M4. Short of phasers I can't imagien what'll be an improvement in my lifetime. |
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Posted: 5/17/2005 11:10:31 AM EDT
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I can't imaging that the AR is going to die, personally I can't find any reason to why anyone would.I searched for months, gone to the local libraries, searched the web up and down to even talking with family members high up the totem pole in the Armed Forces and there is no indication of the demise of the AR. Am I missing something here. Long live the AR, thats what I see in its future and so does my relatives.
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Posted: 5/17/2005 11:14:29 AM EDT
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...so you missed a couple years worth of media fluff in the late 80s/early 90s on THIS POS: 
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Posted: 5/17/2005 11:26:24 AM EDT
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What a flippin beast that thing is. What idiot in their right mind would want to hump that thing around the desert? If that ever made it into full production and issue it's be the best sequel to the movie "The Pentagon Wars". |
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Posted: 5/17/2005 11:34:00 AM EDT
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That would be the OICW, or the Objective Individual Combat Weapon.
HK had a hand in that too  |
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Posted: 5/17/2005 11:39:20 AM EDT
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Yes, I know what it is... was... should have been...
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Posted: 5/17/2005 1:50:07 PM EDT
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I read an article about the Xm8 in a magazine just today, the title of the article? "Fixing the M16" what exactly is wrong with it, other than a few stories of the ammo not stopping people. This magazine is still pretty new, guess they forgot to look and see that the military rejected the Xm8. But it sure is an ugly rifle, and the way this article is written I don't see how it was an improvement. Anyone read anything on what they say was supposed to be the improvements were? This one said it was either configured to fire 5.56 or the 6.8, just change out the current rifles to 6.8 if that what the problem is. Now my pointless rant is over with, sorry for wasting seconds of your guys lives.
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Posted: 5/17/2005 2:03:02 PM EDT
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And the beast in the photo above only weighed 17 pounds according to an Army Recruiter I wes talking to. If it comes to that, give me a Garand.
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Posted: 5/17/2005 2:08:48 PM EDT
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It's not about ugly it is about function. And to whoever started this post check your current events the replacement rifle cotests is open again with 2 other major competitors. It is more likely the FN SCAR will replace the M16 and M4. The XM8 has not fared well in open competition. |
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Posted: 5/17/2005 2:33:08 PM EDT
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Agreed. A few of my friends are HK fanboys, and now they are eating crow. AR-15/M16=win. I didn't like the XM8, only the concept of a lighter, cleaner weapon. If the G36 didn't rock the boat, why would a G36 in drag be the next big thing? |
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Posted: 5/17/2005 3:30:58 PM EDT
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The only thing that will replace the M16 is a rail gun. IE magnetic propulstion
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Posted: 5/17/2005 3:41:17 PM EDT
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I'm surprised FN isn't gloating more than HK. They've got an official contract atleast.
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Posted: 5/17/2005 3:48:02 PM EDT
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today's M16, aka the M4 is a far cry from the M16A1. As warfare becomes less and less distant between the combatants and technology becomes cheaper and cheaper, even the M4 is doomed. Most of us are rooting for the 6.8 PC (?), if adopted, it'll become what? the M17? Even the beloved Colt 1911 went wayside to the Beretta M9. But when all said and done the venerable Ma Deue and B52 will still be alive and kicking
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Posted: 5/17/2005 4:03:50 PM EDT
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I didn't know the US was still issuing the M16
 I think it's called the "M16A3" now.  M16 was slick sided pencil barreled.
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Posted: 5/17/2005 4:06:44 PM EDT
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What's funny is how he was a milk man in the beginning and a mail man at the end.
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Posted: 5/17/2005 4:54:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/17/2005 5:01:19 PM EDT
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blah, blah, blah. not gonna happen!!!
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Posted: 5/17/2005 5:15:31 PM EDT
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I definitly agree that the M-16 type weapon is on its way out, but the XM8 does not look like something that would be a suitable replacement. The ability of the M-16 type weapon to be "customized" is one feature that the new service rifle will most likley have.
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Posted: 5/17/2005 7:05:48 PM EDT
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+1 & 20 YEARS..... PURE VAPORWARE |
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Posted: 5/17/2005 7:13:09 PM EDT
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Don't get me wrong the M16 is on it's last legs it just won't be the XM8 replacing it. |
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Posted: 5/17/2005 7:17:37 PM EDT
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