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Posted: 4/9/2005 12:52:23 PM EDT
  I put this together after culling through 5 years of BATF .PDF files. 2002 is the most recent year released. Where there are 0s in the chart, BATF had no listing for any rifles manufactured by that company (in a few cases, there were pistols and/or shotguns manufactured that year by that manufacturer). Technically, the numbers are for all rifles made, so there's no way to know exactly how many were AR15s. For example, Bushmaster's stats will include the small number of M17s they make, Armalite's will include AR10s, and KAC's will include SR25s. Hesse made AKs and other types of guns that aren't even AR related. Still, these give you a good idea of what's going on. [5/3/2005: Added 2003 stats & graph] -Troy |
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Posted: 4/9/2005 1:05:26 PM EDT
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Interesting to see how many more rifles Bushmaster is building than Colt. I assume the Colt numbers are only for civilian use though. It would be cool to see the 2003 and 2004 numbers.
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Posted: 4/9/2005 1:13:48 PM EDT
[#2]
When 2003 is released, I'll add them.
-Troy |
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Posted: 4/9/2005 1:17:11 PM EDT
[#3]
Thanks for the stats Troy.
I wonder how many more rifles RRA has put out in 2003 and 2004. My first RRA lower, that I bought in October(04), is about 12,000 (serial #) less than my new one I picked up three weeks ago.......I'd say RRA is putting out a hell of a lot more than those stats now. WIZZO |
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Posted: 4/9/2005 1:25:24 PM EDT
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I agree that it will be very interesting to see how RRA's production jumped in 2003, and then when the numbers are available, in 2004.
I think it's kind of sad that companies like Hesse can build a following and a market, and still apparently not "get it right" when it comes to ARs. From what I've read in this forum, their AR stuff should be avoided like the plague, but they apparently do a lot of business... 
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Posted: 4/9/2005 1:26:02 PM EDT
[#5]
64,000 in 1999!!!! damn were people paranoid about Y2K!
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Posted: 4/9/2005 2:16:54 PM EDT
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It also gives you some perspective about the problems reported by BM owners vs the problems by other brands.
In 2002, Bushmaster made: 3 x Colts figures 4 x Armalite 6 x DPMS & Olympic 11 x Hesse 19 x Rock River As such, it isn't so surprising that there are more problem reports from BMs than other brands, when looking at raw numbers. When you look at those numbers as a percentage of the market, things change dramatically. -Troy |
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Posted: 4/9/2005 2:17:30 PM EDT
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I think Bushmaster has a significant foreign/LEO sales market, at least from the shredded business
documents I got for packing with my new upper, it indicated orders going to Bogota, Colombia, Biloxi MS Police, US Fish & Wildlife, etc... Kind of interesting fishing through the strips. |
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Posted: 4/9/2005 2:21:40 PM EDT
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I've got one of those first 94 ASA's. It was a stripped lower and everybody has said they have problems with them but mine has awesome fit and finish.
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Posted: 4/9/2005 2:23:43 PM EDT
[#9]
BUSHMASTER
 funny how hesse make more ARs than RRA 
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Posted: 4/9/2005 2:27:37 PM EDT
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I bet if you looked at the numbers for 2004 and 2005 RRA have more than doubled. |
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Posted: 4/9/2005 2:31:14 PM EDT
[#11]
are those numbers the amount sold or the amount mfgr'd? are those numbers based on complete rifles that they paid fet on? complete rifles sold? federally controlled/serial numbered components sold?
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Posted: 4/9/2005 2:33:33 PM EDT
[#12]
double tap
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Posted: 4/9/2005 2:33:34 PM EDT
[#13]
posted aboove Technically, the numbers are for all rifles made, so there's no way to know exactly how many were AR15s. For example, Bushmaster's stats will include the small number of M17s they make, Armalite's will include AR10s, and KAC's will include SR25s. Hesse made AKs and other types of guns that aren't even AR related. Still, these give you a good idea of what's going on. |
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Posted: 4/9/2005 2:41:21 PM EDT
[#14]
I'm glad that you pointed that out. Thanks for the time to sort through the stats Troy! |
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Posted: 4/9/2005 2:42:45 PM EDT
[#15]
i hope so |
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Posted: 4/9/2005 5:14:51 PM EDT
[#16]
I read that BATF was no longer going to release these figures. They have interpreted some privacy regulation to prohibit them from doing so.
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Posted: 4/9/2005 5:17:39 PM EDT
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Wow! I feel sorry for those 3991 suckers in '02.
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Posted: 4/10/2005 4:08:45 AM EDT
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Yeh! And 6,720 known suckers parted from their money so far.... Colt's sales look to be trending down fast. What a surprize |
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Posted: 4/10/2005 7:54:23 AM EDT
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Troy: wouldn't these numbers include civ and fed LE rifles while .mil would be excluded (since they aren't reported to batf)? E.G. FN, colt, etc...
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Posted: 4/10/2005 7:58:51 AM EDT
[#20]
Bushmaster seems to be kicking rear.
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Posted: 4/10/2005 8:45:05 AM EDT
[#21]
Hesse beat out RRA in 2001, thats odd.
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Posted: 4/10/2005 9:14:25 AM EDT
[#22]
RRA was just coming on in 2001. 03 and 04 will look much different. |
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Posted: 4/10/2005 4:39:31 PM EDT
[#23]
The figure I'd love to know (though I appreciate the graph Troy made) is how many
US households own at least one AR-15, AK-47, FAL, or other "evil" weapon. That's a tough figure to come up with as most people who have 1, eventually have more, though I'd love to know that X million households have at least one Assault type weapon in their home. |
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Posted: 4/10/2005 5:19:36 PM EDT
[#24]
I can't wait to see the numbers for 2004. When the AWB died, I bet everyone and their mother went out and bought an AR just because they could
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Posted: 4/10/2005 5:35:49 PM EDT
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My dealer was saying that the day the ban ended something like 50 people placed orders with him for ARs just in that one day. For a guy that only sells a 15-20 rifles a month out of his home, thats a big deal. |
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Posted: 4/11/2005 9:44:01 AM EDT
[#26]
Correct. -Troy |
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Posted: 4/11/2005 6:10:03 PM EDT
[#27]
A more interesting stat that I'd like to see is how many ARs were manufactured before 9-13-94, and how many were manufactured during the ban. I have heard that post-ban production was up by 900%. It seems that Feinstein and Schumer put a lot of weapons "on the street" with their ban. |
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Posted: 4/11/2005 6:19:52 PM EDT
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400,000+ upto 2002. Makes me verry happy. That means the gov' will never be able to get them all. It would cost them at least 300,000 X 900 to pay fair market value to get just them back for a buy back program in a nationwide confiscation (plus body count). I figure, based on how Gov't costs go, it would be $540MM just for AR's
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Posted: 4/11/2005 6:36:11 PM EDT
[#29]
01 was a big year for PWA
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Posted: 4/11/2005 10:49:23 PM EDT
[#30]
Yea, they overextended themselves in '01 and had to trim back for '02.
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Posted: 4/11/2005 10:56:12 PM EDT
[#31]
good info.
so... you were just bored and surfing the atf.gov? |
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Posted: 4/12/2005 10:25:45 PM EDT
[#32]
No; I had promised to make such a chart when I had a chance to get ahold of the info, and since I found it, and had the chance to make a chart to post, I did so.
-Troy |
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Posted: 4/20/2005 5:37:20 PM EDT
[#33]
My RRA lower from christmas that I got jan 2004 has a ser# starting in the 24,000 range.
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Posted: 4/20/2005 7:36:54 PM EDT
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I'll add on to this. My new-logo RRA lower I got in October (within a month of them switching to the new logo) is in the 32,XXX range. My second new-logo RRA lower I got was towards the end of February (from the head armorer at RRA) is in the 45,XXX range. So that means about 13,000 lowers in about 4 months time. Not bad, in my opinion. WIZZO |
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Posted: 4/22/2005 5:22:34 PM EDT
[#35]
Note that the chart reflects complete rifles only. Many brands' sales are mostly lowers and/or parts, not complete rifles, and those lower sales aren't included in the above count. -Troy |
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Posted: 4/22/2005 11:06:01 PM EDT
[#36]
My RRA rifle that I got last december has a SN of 37000 something.
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Posted: 4/23/2005 10:09:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2005 11:58:40 PM EDT
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Total for the 5yr period:
448,905. About half a million evil rifles in half of the AWB years. |
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Posted: 5/3/2005 7:47:10 AM EDT
[#39]
Maybe my ASA lower will become a collectors item!
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Posted: 5/3/2005 11:09:49 AM EDT
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Bushmaster spiked with ~65K rifles in 1999. Remember the spate of purple upeers adn cocked FSBs during that period? When quantity outstrips quality, word gets out. It's good to see that quality and quantity are back on equla footing at Bushmaster.
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Posted: 5/3/2005 11:20:47 AM EDT
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Yea RRA , , We need all the help we can get here in ILLINOIS, Yae Armalite too . Yea for every Producer and related firearms dealer and seller, Cept m/a ? In IL.
Yeah I stopped posting them all. You get the picture in this flat land.  Thanks Troy. |
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Posted: 5/3/2005 1:53:05 PM EDT
[#42]
The situation then, much like today, is more an issue with supplies and subcontractor availability. Even though BM will sell more rifles than anyone else again this year, they are losing sales because they can't get enough materials to meet the demand, and their subcontractors are busy with priority government work to give them additional output. -Troy |
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Posted: 5/3/2005 1:58:48 PM EDT
[#43]
BTW, ever notice that "growing pains" sounds a lot like "groin pains"? It's not coincidence! Having too much work for your current staff to handle is like a kick in the nutsack!
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Posted: 5/3/2005 4:48:46 PM EDT
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This was done on the old ar15-l email list, back around 99 or so. ISTR the results showed multiple times more ARs manufactured in the first 5 years of the ban than in all the years prior (start of civilian sales 196*cough* through 1994). I sure would like to see those stats again. |
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Posted: 5/3/2005 4:55:29 PM EDT
[#45]
Nice info Troy. Much appreciated.
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Posted: 5/3/2005 10:07:08 PM EDT
[#46]
Wow ASA built that bad a reputation on less than 700 rifles... hard to believe, I live in Phoenix so I just thought they sold more than that...
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Posted: 5/4/2005 11:54:14 PM EDT
[#47]
They've probably sold several times that many separate uppers and lowers, which aren't reflected in these stats. These are stats for COMPLETE FACTORY RIFLES only. -Troy |
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Posted: 5/5/2005 12:23:20 AM EDT
[#48]
damn look at RRA's 2300 to 14000 rofl, no wonder they couldn't keep up with demand.
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Posted: 5/9/2005 6:13:50 PM EDT
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i believe this data is based on payment of the making tax for completed rifles
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2000.pdf http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2001.pdf http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2002.pdf http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2003.pdf ANNUAL FIREARMS MANUFACTURING AND EXPORT REPORT Y2000 # RIFLEs MFG -----LICENSE NAME 304395 -------------STURM RUGER & CO INC 287418 -------------THE MARLIN FIREARMS CO 190018 -------------REMINGTON ARMS CO, INC 158136 -------------SAVAGE ARMS, INC 127922 -------------WRIGHT PRODUCTS 116616 -------------US REPEATING ARMS COMPANY 61387 ---------------ARGUS PUBLICATIONS INC 60231 ---------------REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY, INC 57753 ---------------H & R 1871 INC NEW ENGLAND FIREARMS CO 39932 ---------------BUSHMASTER FIREARMS BFI/QUALITY PARTS CO 29950 ---------------COLT'S MANUFACTURING CO INC 19468 ---------------CENTURY ARMS INC 17182 ---------------THOMPSON CENTER ARMS CO INC 12390 ---------------BEEMILLER INC 11846 ---------------KEYSTONE SPORTING ARMS INC 9506 ----------------SPRINGFIELD INC 8475 ----------------ARMALITE INC 7965 ----------------ACROMETAL COMPANIES, INC 5869 ----------------DEFENSE PROCUREMENT MFG SERVICES INC |
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Posted: 5/9/2005 8:16:04 PM EDT
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why does DPMS also have 9679 firearms in the MISC. FIREARMS MANUFACTURED IN 2003 category?
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