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Posted: 9/28/2004 2:04:59 PM EDT
which do you think is best FF RAS system considering
how solid reliable looks weight etc |
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Troy MRF CX with full 10in bottom plate. Yeah thats right, I'm the first one they have done that for!
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I'd say the three top dogs right now are the Troy MRF, the Larue, and the Daniel Defense. The RASII is a close 4th.
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I'll be a bit different and say Troy MRF-MX!
The MRF rail system has everything I want. 1. Easy installation. 2. Continuous top rail. 3. Removable bottom section. 4. Free float. 5. Good price $$. My next carbine will have a Troy MRF-MX! My first rail system was a ARMS SIR 50 it was okay and later I switched to a KAC MRE which I love except for the inability to remove the bottm section. IMHO, the MRF combines the best features of the SIR and the KAC FF RAS. The only thing that would make the MRF better is if were just a bit lighter. |
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Damn, loyalty is VERY short lived here. I still love my DDs. What'll it be a year from now...........................
[looking into the future]MAN, that Mongo 12.0 rail system is the shit!!!! Troy MRF, ahhhhhh, that's old news!![/looking into the future] |
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Troy is probably the best continuous rail system and CAS-V the best "over rail" clamp style...
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Had to choose the "Other" option....... Yankee Hill, I just like it best and the price is most reasonable.
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FWIW, I was never really satisfied with the SIR, so I switched to Daniel Defense. No complaints.
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That's jacked, I voted for the last and it didn't show.
Anyways, go with the YHM 2-Piece. |
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I guarantee you that if a DD, LaRue or KAC was $100, you wouldn't be voting for YHM.
They're OK, but they are not FF. |
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Although I haven't tried it out yet. I'm looking at the Yankee Hill FF rail systems. . . at the price difference it couldn't hurt to try it out. You could always sell it on the EE if you didn't like it.
Krackels |
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Within what price range? It seems like an apples and oranges poll.
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Now don't start this shit again. Don't tell me that the DD users will be crying like the SIR crowd as soon as their precious rail isn't the best anymore. Why people get so emotionally attached to gear is beyond me. |
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The attachment starts when you get the credit card statement |
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Continuous Top Rail - Troy MRF
Non-CTR - KAC RAS II or LaRue POS Predator? Are you kidding? |
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Oh, it will be the end all of rail systems. All the major makers today will be forgotten when this thing comes out. It will guarantee 0.25MOA immediately after installation. But I can't let out my secret just yet - OPSEC and all. |
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We are really talking about two diff. animals here. One piece FF tubes and 2 piece FF tubes. They really have two diff. customers in my opinion. People that can remove their FSB, barrel/HG nut will look at the one piece FF tubes. Folks that cannot or don't want to pay to have it done will look at the 2 piece FF tubes.
Here is how I rank one piece FF tubes: 1. LT 2. DD 3. KAC Reasons why I rank them this way: The LT is the ONLY one piece FF tube that has an anti-roll system the prevents the barrel nut and HG nut from back off (which happens from the vibration of firing the weapon). All four rails of the LT are to the 1913 spec and it is still just a hair wider than the DD. It is also just about 1 once heavier than the DD even though it uses a STEEL barrel nut. Fit and finish is also superior to the other two. Last, but not least is COST! The LT is the cheapest of the 3. Here is how I rank two piece FF tubes: 1. TROY MRF 2. RAS II 3. CAS-V 4. SIR Reasons why I ranked them in this order: The TROY is VERY close to a continuous rail (with just a small gap between it and the receiver) which allows one much latitude for mounting optics. The rails fall right in the middle of the 1913 Picatinny and the fit and finish is VERY GOOD. It is also very reasonable priced which the biggest factor IMHO. The RAS II, CAS-V and SIR lose out in my opinion because I love the EOTech and don't like to mount it over my HG's. My opinion on ALL AR15 accessories is based on one simple principle: MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK! My top choice in each catagory is based on this thought process. Lastly, if I was going into combat tomorrow, my choice for the rail system would be the LaRue Tactical.... C4 www.gandrtactical.com |
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Grant-
I'm curious as to why you'd pick a one piece over a two. I have a 16" barrel with a screw-on flash suppressor, so there's really nothing that keeps me from removing the front sight. I'm going with the MRF (not sure what length just yet) because it allows me to get at the barrel for cleaning. In fact, I'm thinking of going with a shaved front sight & a rail mounted flipup, so there's really nothing keeping me from the Larue, I simply don't want to have to unscrew the whole thing anytime I want to get access to the barrel. Thoughts? |
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You didn't list cost as a factor so I choose DD. If cost is a major factor than I would pick the LaRue
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I'd be curious also, but my thoughts are: How much barrel maintenance is required and how often does this need to be done? Can this maintenance be done with, say bottle brushes or bore brushes through the vent holes? |
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Mongo-
My thoughts go back to my DSA SA58, which unfortunately sat neglected for over a year. Once I got rid of the bitch and got back into shooting, I changed out the handguards from the old metal ones to plastic ones. There was rust on the barrel. It wasn't bad, nothing catestrophic, but it was there. Since then I'm a bit paranoid about limiting access to parts of my gun that I might want to clean, or at least be able to see to check on. Obviously it would take millenia for something like that to effect function, but it still bothers me. I can just imagine looking through the holes on the Larue, seeing the rust, and thinking "damnit, this is gonna be a bitch. now I gotta take this thing all the way off and all the way back on again". YMMV |
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I believe that the one piece FF tubes are a stronger design than the two-piece. I have witnessed to many things with two piece rail systems to ever own one (personal opinion). As far as cleaning under the HG's goes, I have never seen this to be a problem. I live in one of the most humid states (VA) in the country have NEVER witnessed one of my AR's rusting under the HG's. So I look at this as a none issue. If your comparing the LT 7.0 with the TROY MRF-C, the LT is much more refined (thinner) and lighter. These are two big issues for me as I hang a lot of crap off my AR's.... C4 |
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I voted LaRue. I have two DD tubes (a 7.0 and a 9.5 FSP) and like them very much. However, the LaRue beats the DD tubes with it's indexing pin (used during installation to make sure the top rail is perfectly aligned with the upper receiver), the "keeper" (which uses screws to hold the retaining ring in place) and four true picatinny-spec rails.
The LaRue is my first choice. After that I'd take the DD. If removing the FSB is an issue, I'd be looking at the Troy. |
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LOL, why are you BTTing this thread? It is already at the top!
C4 |
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Well that is a good way for a moderator to come in and whack your thread! C4 |
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Forget the rail system and get youreslf some of those highspeed M-4 double heatshield handguards.
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For all the Troy voters- the weight isn't a factor for you?
13oz. (carbine) seems quite heavy. Ok, the SIR is 15oz. |
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do you have some others to compare it to? Just make sure you compare apples to apples in terms of all mounting hardware, and account for the removal of the delta ring, when you quote the weights. |
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