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Posted: 8/24/2004 6:58:30 AM EDT
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 BTW - I found this pic in today's pic post over at militaryphotos.net |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:11:45 AM EDT
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Nice and all, but that doesn't look like a GI to me.
WTF, over? |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:12:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:16:51 AM EDT
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As long as he's getting ready to "POP" a Haji.Who cares who he is as long as he is on our side.
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:26:07 AM EDT
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Is this the first you've heard of these "wars-on-terror"? A-teams on horseback...not GI SOF operators in Yukons and Land Cruisers...not GI Not having 100 of them come after 10 of you cause you blend in is a good thing |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:23:41 AM EDT
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Hopefully, he's got al shithead himself in the crosshairs!
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:44:35 AM EDT
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Nice pic.
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:49:31 AM EDT
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I understand what you are saying, but something about that photo... The hair, envioment, etc. just led me to believe that he was not fighting for US. You can probably understand where I'm coming from, yes? Then again, imagine stepping outside with an SPR. I think that alone would give you away. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:59:24 AM EDT
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Yea, I can understand where you're coming from. I just got used to seeing it I guess, there are a lot of SOF guys out in indian country these days. The ruse is usually more beneficial at a long distance anyways, and to Haji a gun is a gun is a gun. I wouldn't want to be seen up close by an Iraqi but from far away you will attract much less attention. When one of those fuckers sees you a whole village is gonna check it out...men, women, kids, goats, dogs, aliens, obscure 80's TV stars, etc. Every swinging dick. It's not like they work over there. But if you're just another raghead in a man-dress, chances are they won't bat an eye at you. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:00:48 AM EDT
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I am interested to know what a SF guy is supposed to look like??? C4 |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:09:09 AM EDT
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Well... That's a good way to put it...  Obscure 80s TV stars? Guess Iraq is more of a hellhole than I thought it was before. About SF, I realize that this is true - many special operations personell have greater worries than their hairdue in combat. Additionally, it DOES make it easier to blend in. A high and tight will make you stick out like... [ comparison removed... you get the idea ] |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:15:39 AM EDT
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IMHO this is a SF soldier. However, it could also be a security contractor setting up a sniper post to cover a convoy or dignitary, maybe? You have to remember, SOF aren't always clean shaven and they don't always have all their gear, hence the name Special Operations.
add: take for example Task Force 121 in Afghanistan. They have long hair, long beards, and good tans to fit in with the Afghan people. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:19:56 AM EDT
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More importantly we have been led to believe that is is IMPOSSIBLE to get the proper eye relief with normal rings on a flat top only.
Seems he is getting just what he needs.......hmm?? |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:27:47 AM EDT
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"hey, keep your finger off the trig.... oh... got one?"
- BUCC_Guy 
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:31:30 AM EDT
[#14]
Those SPR uppers just get mounted on their M16's right???
So they are using a super accurate upper with a crappy .mil trigger??? |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:41:22 AM EDT
[#15]
Not sure, but I thought that the spr was a complete package, not just an upper dropped onto an m16.
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:46:07 AM EDT
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I have NEVER seen an SF guy that looked like he was in the military. The SEALS I came in contact with in the NAVY looked like they just came out of a Grateful Dead/PHISH concert! I recently ran into an ARMY buddy at Blackwater that I worked counter drug with. Last time I saw him, he had a high and tight and I had a full beard and hair below my collar. Almost 7 years later I find myself standing next to him by pure accident. He recognizes me and I say to him "I see you have gotten OUT of the Army." He says "Nope" and then says to me "I see your still IN the NAVY." I say "NOPE!" I now look like I could be in the Military and he looks like a college kid going to a Jimmy Buffet concert! If it wasn't for the fact that he pulled out an M4 with a KAC can, PEQ, and an ACOG NSN you would have thought him fit for only bagging groceries. My how things change and what your appearance tells the people around you...  C4 |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:47:31 AM EDT
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One order of Virgins, Comin' UP!.............
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:55:57 AM EDT
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KAC 2-stage, ususally. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:57:06 AM EDT
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That's why Leupold designed the TS-30 (aka MR/T) line of optics. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:59:52 AM EDT
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El Salvador, 1983.
 Can you pick which one I am by what an SF is supposed to look like? I'm the one "gone native" with the visible dog tags and the "modified grooming standards". Don't judge the book by its cover... |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:08:16 AM EDT
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That has nearly the same eye relief as all their previous scopes in that power range...... IIRC the difference was less than 1" at the low power setting......it's now 1" exactly at 3.5 {LR/T 3.5-10} vs 3 {MR/T 3-9} The older scopes had more real estate on the body of the scope to adjust further forward.... I was always able to achieve proper eye relief with the older M1 & M3LR 3.5-10's...... BUT, they weren't compact which is a HUGE plus now....... |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:22:41 AM EDT
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Photo is also on CCNs site with the following caption.
"A U.S. Army sniper takes position Tuesday near the Imam Ali Mosque." |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:24:12 AM EDT
[#23]
 BTW, sweet pic uxb |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:27:17 AM EDT
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On M16's or semi's? |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 1:25:00 PM EDT
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TF 121 wasn't formed until Iraq. They DO have long hair and beards, however. More to blend in with journalists and aid workers than the Iraqis...cause all the blond haired blue eyed dudes have them too. the tans are just a by-product of the palace they use as a HQ's having a shitload of swimming pools around it. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 2:18:34 PM EDT
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good ol' fashion 30 round tactical grip
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Posted: 8/24/2004 3:38:20 PM EDT
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Maybe so, but I saw a special on the Discovery Times channel which said a little different. From what they said, TF 121 was formed with one purpose: track down Osama and finish cleaning up Al Qaeda and Taliban in Afghanistan. The TF 121 guys they interviewed (kept their ID's unknown) were mostly green berets if I recall, and most learned to speak the native language. Some special ones even wore typical Afghan attire. However, there may be some in Iraq too but the only ones they talked about on this documentary were the ones in Afghanistan. add: Sorry to hijack the thread. 
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Posted: 8/24/2004 3:42:02 PM EDT
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See, this is what happens when generals let the media do dumb shit and put out half-assed ino. Not your fault by any means. I blame pecil puchers at the Pentagon that make $120,000 a year to let supposedly classified info like the existence of these task forces onto a documentary. I bet I can guess the month the documentary first aired because every official mention of said TF had to be changed to a new name which wasn't compromised.
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Posted: 8/24/2004 3:51:41 PM EDT
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your probably right. but I was glancing at some info a minute ago from a military site and it did say that TF 121 is in Iraq and Afghanistan. It also said there are CIA officers mixed in, something I did not know. I guess we can't forget either that it was TF 121 who caught Saddam. I think the documentary I saw was just concentrating on one group of guys and not all of TF 121, by all means. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 4:06:20 PM EDT
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In late summer of 2003, Task Force 5 in Afghanistan and Task Force 20 in Iraq were disbanded and were combined into TF 121 which operates throughout the middle east |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 4:09:22 PM EDT
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ahh, I knew certain TF's were combined into TF 121, but I did not know which ones.
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Posted: 8/24/2004 4:25:34 PM EDT
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I was deployed with SF in Pakistan 2 years ago and at that time they did wear the long hair, beards and local clothing to blend in but HQ directed everyone to start shaving and complying with standards again. None of them were too thrilled about this directive but had to comply (maybe some teams were exempted but these guys were definitely deep in the action). I got home from Iraq 7 months ago where I was with both the original TF20 and then 121, their replacement among other groups. All of the operators I knew did not have the beard action going. Some CIA did though and the mercs as well. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 4:38:29 PM EDT
[#33]
interesting info Overlander, thanks for sharing.
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Posted: 8/24/2004 4:41:05 PM EDT
[#34]
Of course I am not the Ricker but KAC makes the 2 stage for the M16. |
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