User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 11:51:34 AM EDT
How good is CMT? Continental Machine and Tool.
A site is offering their uppers and advertises them as a very good upper receiver. How good are they? Here is the site im looking at. Do they look like good quality? Better then BM? As good as LMT? Their site says they are right behind LMT but as most important AR questions I asked are given to this loyal site. Thanks 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 12:03:05 PM EDT
[#1]
The uppers are very good and in terms of consistancy, better than LMT. CMT is a Colt vendor and has been for many years.
HFG |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 12:10:14 PM EDT
[#2]
So, they make Colt's stuff?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 12:13:59 PM EDT
[#3]
Some
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 12:29:22 PM EDT
[#4]
Food for thought..........CMT also does parts for Bushmaster and Rock River
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 12:30:53 PM EDT
[#5]
Food digested and completely understood. Do CMT uppers have those crazy Colt cam pin holes or whatever Colt does to mess up compatability between uppers and lowers? |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 12:34:21 PM EDT
[#6]
Nope. Mil-Spec. I have one in my hand as I type this.
HFG |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 12:37:38 PM EDT
[#7]
So, it will fit my DPMS lower quite nicely?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 12:40:17 PM EDT
[#8]
If the lower is made to the correct specs there will be no problems. Not had much experience with DPMS parts.
HFG |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 12:48:10 PM EDT
[#9]
I think DPMS lowers are to the correct specs. Anyone know for sure? |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 1:05:54 PM EDT
[#10]
Upper Receivers have nothing to do with headspacing, correct?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 1:15:44 PM EDT
[#11]
headspacing is between the barrel assembly and the bolt.
I've only seen one CMT and one LMT in my life; the CMT belongs to me, the LMT to a firend. I would honestly say that CMT is better. I've actually never seen an upper as nice as my CMT. Buy with confidence, especially given the price! |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 1:47:07 PM EDT
[#12]
LOL his ad says "some of the top name AR manufactuers seen elsewhere on this board"
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 3:27:36 PM EDT
[#13]
Can you say "Equipment Exchange" add? That is funny. Denny is a good guy. +1 for GTS |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 3:36:13 PM EDT
[#14]
Most of it. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 4:12:26 PM EDT
[#15]
Guys- I don't think they do stuff for Colt anymore. They certainly did do lowers for them previously though.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 4:14:29 PM EDT
[#16]
Yes |
||
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 4:19:20 PM EDT
[#17]
Then who makes it? Colt doesn't make too many parts, like six or seven, last I heard. They are also trying to outsource some of those. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 4:39:16 PM EDT
[#18]
 I like Denny and have bought a bunch of super high quality AR gizmos that I have no need for off of him, but it's funny that he so obviously cut and pasted his EE ad onto the website.
|
||
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 4:45:56 PM EDT
[#19]
Well, I got the upper. Great price and HOLY S***, $1.00 shipping!!! I can't afford that.
 His prices are great and his shipping price is awesome. How long do you think it will be before I get my upper? |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 5:06:53 PM EDT
[#20]
So these Recievers are the same as RRA's? Think it will match the finish to my RRA lower?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 5:09:28 PM EDT
[#21]
I don't know, but if I remember correctly, companies that buy parts from Machine and Tool businesses put their own finish on.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 5:48:30 PM EDT
[#22]
Even thouogh CMT does parts for a lot of companies, each company (RRA, Bushy, Etc.) have their own finishing specs. and little touches to meet their individual company specifications. I heard that RRA was polishing their receivers before they were anodized (that's why they look so damn good) and Bushmaster was just beadblasting, now I hear Bushmaster will be polishing them also before anodizing. This is all from an inside source.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 6:10:26 PM EDT
[#23]
oh well, an RRA reciever is only $4 (I think) at ADCO...
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 6:11:56 PM EDT
[#24]
I am assuming that you ment 4 dollars more.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 7:19:01 PM EDT
[#25]
How many of you have been to the Colt plant? Colt make barrels (from bar stock) uppers, lowers, bolts, carriers, extractors, carry handles etc. Sometimes they outsource when they need parts to fulfill orders, bolts are made by Colt under union regs. HFG |
||
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 7:29:38 PM EDT
[#26]
I'm waiting for all of this to evolve into a thread that claims Colt receivers are made by Vulcan (Hesse). Gotta love the internet.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 7:29:49 PM EDT
[#27]
I have been on the factory floor several times. I have seen their machinery in action and been on the testing range. Colt does receive forgings from outside contractors and have had forgings/rough machined lowers come from CMT in the past as a vendor. Alcoa comes to mind as another forging vendor.
I will confirm everything HFG mentions as I have seen them in the process of making those parts . CMT and Colt stopped their relationship a while ago, but it may indeed be back. IMHO CMT is good stuff. |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/4/2004 7:35:04 PM EDT
[#28]
nope... there on sale for $4 (but shipping will cost you $90+)
A Hesse/Colt conspiracy! I knew it! 
|
||
|
|
|
Posted: 8/5/2004 5:29:29 AM EDT
[#29]
I make no extraordinary claims about the uppers we sell, well other than they are great
Seriously, I have sold in the hundreds of these and only had two returned do to very, very minor blems. Those were early on and I inspect each one very carefully before I hand assemble it now. I told the company about the blems and they sent me replacements. Since that time I have not had one out of the last 200 or so that had any problems at all. I may have to raise the price a few bucks in the near future as I really don't make squat on these, but they are a true milspec part and absolutely no one has so much as one fitment problem. Denny |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/5/2004 5:44:12 AM EDT
[#30]
I've been there a few times, my stepfather retired as a machinist from there. They still make some parts in-house. |
|||
|
|
|
Posted: 8/5/2004 5:45:58 AM EDT
[#31]
Denny,
I see in your description you say: "These uppers are the equal of any except LMT" What makes the LMT better? |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/5/2004 5:51:38 AM EDT
[#32]
I am basically a machine gunner and the LMT uppers are M4 cut. So from my MGr perspective the M4 cuts are important as most of my M16's are M4s. Other than that no reason at all.
I will say the finish on the CMT's is actually better than the LMTs. Both are milspec. Maybe I should remove that from my ad. It is basically my MG bias and maybe should not be there at all. Denny |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/5/2004 6:04:14 AM EDT
[#33]
SO LMT US$484.00 (did I read that wrong?) (edit- ok I see duh...)
CMT US$88.00 Only diff is the m4 cuts on the LMT and the better finish on the CMT?? I would definatly remove that LMT reference if the CMT is that good..... |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/5/2004 6:18:18 AM EDT
[#34]
That's my observation, QA is VASTLY superior at CMT, products are more consistant. HFG |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/5/2004 6:28:21 AM EDT
[#35]
"CMT Upper complete" ordered.
BTW. You came highly recomended from my buddy CW in MI. |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/5/2004 6:56:32 AM EDT
[#36]
The LMT is $485 but it is a barrelled upper with a Milspec M4 barrel, 5.56 chambered, chrome lined, 1:7 and 4150 steel. Also front sight, gas tube, A2 flash hider, delta ring etc.
LMT uppers stripped, but with forward assist and ejection port cover are in the $130 range. Denny |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/5/2004 7:15:26 AM EDT
[#37]
I recently ordered one from Denny and as everyone else has said, it is very nice. The fit to my RRA lower was nice and tight.
I'm going to be ordering anotherone when I start my next one. |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/5/2004 7:17:25 AM EDT
[#38]
Well, denny I ordered one from you. Prove it is good!!!!!
From what I saw on the site they look very nice, I just hope it matches my DPMS lower finish.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/5/2004 12:05:15 PM EDT
[#39]
.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/5/2004 12:43:04 PM EDT
[#40]
No, not at all. CMT has been around for decades.
Denny |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/5/2004 2:56:32 PM EDT
[#41]
I bought a CMT lower and it has the CMT logo, BUT the paper work says that its a COLT lower.
The vendor I bought from had a add in the SGN and in the add stated that CMT makes lowers for FN. If I'am not mistaken FN builds M-16's for the Gov. Perfect fit to my preban Colt Sporter upper and my Model 1 upper. EDIT TO ADD ( FWIW ) EDIT TO ADD ( just tested the fit, the pistol grip was not installed at the time as I had not installed any parts on the lower Mr. BATF man ) |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/7/2004 1:36:04 PM EDT
[#42]
While I'm still waiting on my upper I will ask one more question about CMT. What else do they make, lowers?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/7/2004 1:57:44 PM EDT
[#43]
Country Music Television? I don't watch it so I don't know.h.gif
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/7/2004 2:06:15 PM EDT
[#44]
 I really need my CMT upper. It's only been three days but my black rifle disease is just getting worse... Every time I order something I keep on getting more and more anxious.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/7/2004 3:43:02 PM EDT
[#45]
Well guys here it is. The CMT uppers showed up Friday, less the ejection port covers
 A quick call got them coming for Saturday delivery. So far so good. I got to the shop at 9:30am. UPS, evidently a substitute driver that cannot read store hours posted boldly on the front door that states we open at 10AM, left the little note at 9:17 AM, that said they would bring them back Monday. Numerous phone calls to UPS, being nice and then threatning yealded no results. All the uppers on order, except the three of you on the top of the list for which I had the ejection port assemblies, will ship Monday. Geeze. Sorry but some things are just out of my control and there has been one hell of a run on these uppers. 50 units in the last 10 days. My apologies to one and all. You all know we ship promptly, but when a supplier screws up and then UPS throws us under the bus, after paying for RED delivery, well. I am exasperated. Denny |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/7/2004 5:28:18 PM EDT
[#46]
Don't be sorry, I just get really anxious for my new AR stuff.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/8/2004 4:50:03 AM EDT
[#47]
You should be able to get your shipping costs back.... UPS can suck... |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/8/2004 10:44:26 AM EDT
[#48]
Who has the CMT LOWERS now?
Denny, if you have a relationship with CMT, would you persuade them to do a run in a Hartford-Horsey grey anodizing job? It would be nice to have something that matched the M16A1 uppers out, or a 'retro rifle'. Denny, will you be getting any CMT LOWERS in? |
|
|
|
Posted: 8/8/2004 10:53:09 AM EDT
[#49]
Are the CMT lowers more of a deep black finish then a geryish-black? I really want it to match my lower.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/8/2004 11:26:15 AM EDT
[#50]
I bought two Stag Arms stripped lowers pretty recently. I understand that they come from CMT.
They are excellent, ecpecially for the $. They assembled easily and look great. The only problem that I have is with their logo, and that's just a personal thing. Other folks love it! Their finish is a flat black-gray. Not nearly as light as the GI M16A1 gray but not as dark as the late Colt-style deep black. I don't think that they'd be a great match for a DPMS upper because DPMS finishes with Teflon over its anodizing and seems to have more sheen. Rubbing in lots of oil on the Stag's finish makes it go deeper in color, of course. And who on this thread thinks that Colt still uses the large pivot-pin holes? They haven't for years! Please catch up on your info before continuing to spread out-of-date bullshit to folks who are looking for facts  .
|
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
