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Posted: 12/23/2003 12:44:39 PM EDT
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[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=150423[/url]
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Posted: 12/23/2003 12:58:06 PM EDT
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How about commercial triggers? What's available? TIA!
Dave |
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Posted: 12/23/2003 1:00:50 PM EDT
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Best trigger for the price is a replacement Accuracy Speaks trigger.
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Posted: 12/23/2003 1:10:20 PM EDT
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I HAVE AN ACCURACY SPEAKS TRIGGER AND WILL AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT.
ASSUMING YOU HAVE STANDARD/SMALL FIRE CONTROL PINS, THE BEST TRIGGER, PERIOD, IS THE KNIGHT'S TWO-STAGE. WES GRANT [URL]MSTN.BIZ[/URL] |
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Posted: 12/23/2003 2:27:59 PM EDT
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Of course there is also the JP trigger, and Rock River has its own 2 stage trigger. The best? I don't know, but I like both of them. Depends on how much you want to spend as well.
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Posted: 12/23/2003 3:57:58 PM EDT
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I like the JARD trigger, but if your trying to do it on the cheap, just install a set of the JP reduced power trigger/hammer springs. It's the best money you can spend to improve your stock trigger.
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Posted: 12/23/2003 4:05:16 PM EDT
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[url]www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=176742[/url]
Pat Rogers, Gunsite carbine instructor and former Marine & police officer: During the second owners administration, the gunsmith sold carbine packages- his version of what a carbine should be (it is interesting to note that not one instructor ever used this carbine- not one). Included was a "match trigger". I can't recall having one finish a class without a problem. The 'smith claimed that all of the students wanted them. The truth is that he pushed the trigger for profit. The instructors told the students not to get it- when they came back from the shop they were poorer in cash, and bound to have problems. This manifested itself when the present owner had one put in his carbine, and loaned it out to a student. It lasted until Tuesday morning. While [red]i see absolutely no use for a "match trigger" on a working gun[/red], i am convinced that it is a matter of fitting more then anything else. [red]I am also convinved that a match trigger has a more finite life then a service trigger. I will take reliability everytime over any perceived "accuracy" advantage that the "match trigger" may have.[/red] Just something to contemplate. -Troy |
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Posted: 12/23/2003 6:10:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: [url]www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=176742[/url] Pat Rogers, Gunsite carbine instructor and former Marine & police officer: During the second owners administration, the gunsmith sold carbine packages- his version of what a carbine should be (it is interesting to note that not one instructor ever used this carbine- not one). Included was a "match trigger". I can't recall having one finish a class without a problem. The 'smith claimed that all of the students wanted them. The truth is that he pushed the trigger for profit. The instructors told the students not to get it- when they came back from the shop they were poorer in cash, and bound to have problems. This manifested itself when the present owner had one put in his carbine, and loaned it out to a student. It lasted until Tuesday morning. While [red]i see absolutely no use for a "match trigger" on a working gun[/red], i am convinced that it is a matter of fitting more then anything else. [red]I am also convinved that a match trigger has a more finite life then a service trigger. I will take reliability everytime over any perceived "accuracy" advantage that the "match trigger" may have.[/red] Just something to contemplate. -Troy Troy, Do you think the low budget, surface hardened only, stock triggers last longer than the Accuracy Speaks triggers? |
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Posted: 12/23/2003 6:37:54 PM EDT
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Probably not. I posted that as a general caution, in particular to be cautious (or at least aware) of the budget triggers out there.
Stock triggers and hammers have a lot of engagement surface, so even if the parts wear faster than they should, they will still last quite a while. Since most match triggers have much less engagement surface, they are much more sensetive to wear. Thus, if you're going to put a match trigger in a duty rifle, make sure you're getting one of the better ones that's been properly heat treated and engineered. As you would expect, these will cost more, but as usual, you GET more. For myself, I would only trust the KAC and AS triggers, and I have an AS in one of my rifles. All the rest are stock (Bushmaster) parts. I don't use my ARs as benchrest rifles, though, so it really isn't any handicap for me. -Troy |
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Posted: 12/23/2003 7:40:16 PM EDT
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I've put approx 5000 rounds through my BM with a JP trigger and springs.
Great trigger and no failures to ignite - even with Wolf. |
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Posted: 12/27/2003 10:15:08 PM EDT
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Another vote for the Accuracy Speaks trigger group...., it's AWESOME!!!
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Posted: 12/28/2003 4:16:55 AM EDT
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Based upon my experience with a brand new Armalite NM rifle's trigger - failed after only 1,050 rounds, I would be very reluctant to put a 2-stage trigger in a "duty gun". I have a Bushy and an Oly with stock triggers. Both are hard but relatively smooth, I just practice and get used to them.
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Posted: 12/28/2003 5:31:26 AM EDT
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The Accuracy Speaks trigger components, unlike many others, are no more complex than the stock stuff and built to mil-spec.
Derik Martin,who owns AS, is a national level competitor and is a glazed-eyed fanatic on the topic of reliability. I'd trust his fire control components in any rifle I'd take to a gunfight. The JP components on the other hand, while providing a superb remington-like trigger pull, use weaker-than-stock springs and I've snapped two of their hammers in half. Luck, SD |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 5:35:35 AM EDT
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I bought a RR two stage - it was bad. I had it tuned and works fine now.
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Posted: 12/28/2003 10:32:06 AM EDT
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I just installed a RRA 2-stage NM trigger and so far it has functioned flawlessly. I'll use this trigger again in the future on my next ar too.
Orddy [chainsawkill] |
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Posted: 12/29/2003 5:19:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: Derik Martin, who owns AS... ...is [red]a glazed-eyed fanatic on the topic of reliability.[/red] I share this affliction with Derrick (as is woefuly obvious if you've read my posts), and the reason for my post above. -Troy |
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Posted: 12/31/2003 4:48:25 PM EDT
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IMO,
Best two stage match: KAC Best two stage F/A: KAC Best Single Stage: Accuracy Speaks Best budget 2 stage: Holinger tuned RRA match Best "I'm broke assed" trigger: 15 minute trigger job. |
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Posted: 12/31/2003 6:45:42 PM EDT
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Dollar for dollar, I think that the RRA 2-stage is a steal. I have three and I don't think I'll ever buy anything else.
Note: I am not a 1000-yard shooter, nor do I rely on these three rifles to save my life. There are better triggers than the RRA unit, but they come at far greater costs. I would not want ANY NM-style trigger in a battle rifle. |
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Posted: 12/31/2003 8:02:22 PM EDT
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I can see the point of not wanting a match type trigger in a working AR for combat use etc, BUT...Take that 10# stock trigger to the range for some bench work and you will suffer. My bench/hunting guns shoot 2# triggers, going from that to a standard AR trigger sucks. It all depends on what your gun is used for.
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Posted: 12/31/2003 9:27:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: It all depends on what your gun is used for. Oh so very true, and such philosophy can be applied to a multitudes of part, accessories, an configuration. Not everyone's, or every rifle's mission is the same. |
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Posted: 1/1/2004 6:26:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=150423[/url] About a year ago, I posted this to my web site to preserve the pictures that were missing in the original link. You can find it at [url]http://www.sargenthome.com/15_Minute_AR_Trigger_Job.htm[/url] |
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