Im moving this post up here from the barrels section because after 24 hours lots of looks but no help - hopefully more exposure will help me get some ideas.
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Well this all started after a quest to replace the barrel on one of my carbines - it was a 16" douglaus, 1/9 twist, heavy under the guards, standard config barrel. My set up was a PRI front sight and I used a BMAS to free float the barrel, JP trigger, bushy lower, Eotech, GGG rear sight, ZM weapons y-comp. Rifle shot .5-.75 MOA all day with handloads and 1-1.5 with SA, Fed193, Q3131 and then I started having extraction probs when it got hot and dirty. Fixed that (mostly) and then groups began to open up so I decided since the barrel had about 4500 rounds and being a picky ex-master service rifle shooter, I'd rebarrel. Since this carbine is used mostly for shooting steel out to 300 yards and 3-gun matches, chrome was the was to go. Also, there's the fact that loading 223 is a pain in the ass and I'm shooting either factory ball or surplus (tends to be dirty stuff) almost exclusively.
I decided to go chrome this time. I have a few Colt M-4 barrels that all shoot less than 2 MOA with ANYTHING I feed 'em (with decent ammo 1.25 -1.5 moa is the norm), but decided to go with a JT, 16" M4 profile, heavy under the guards, chromed barrel due to cost and availability of Colt barrels. Well I pull my old barrel, replace the gas tube( I always do this when I rebarrel - dont know why but I do) and assemble the rest of the set-up as above. Groups SUCK! 6-8 MOA is best I can manage from the bench, pull the eotech and throw a scope on - no better. I try Fed193, Q3131, SA, Santa barbara no difference. I do manage a 5 inch group with Hornaday V-max, but that's the best I can do. So..
I call JT to tell them this Chromed barrel is a POS. They tell me that since I modified the barrel to fit the PRI, its mine for keeps. Ok, I'm pissed, but I can see their point. So..
I order a DPMS 14" from CMMG. chromed, 5.56 chamber, 1/7 on the recomendation that it would shoot 1.5 - 2.0 moa. Hell, I know nothing about chromed barrels - Kreiger's, Harts, Obermeyers - different story. Well using the same set up as the douglaus and the Wilson, I getting 4 MOA. So now I'm convinced, that I'm going blind, loosing the touch, and thinking that I need to SBR all my scatter guns to hit something. So back on goes the scope - same shitty groups from the bench. I pull out a Colt M4 barreled upper that has the same set up as above except it sports an Aimpoint- bang! I'm shooting 1-2 MOA even freezing my ass off with the wind blowing 15-20 MPH.
SO...
What do I do know? Get another barrel? From whom? WHat manufacturer? I've thought about getting a barrelled LMT upper from MSTN, but they havent shoot the 14 or 16 inches yet to be able to tell me how well they will shoot so I'm a bit leary to spend more $$ and be unhappy.
Maybe I'm just expecting too much, but my chromed barrelled AR's except this POS all shoot under 1.75 moa with ball - this includes free floated ones and non free floated ones(bushy and colt).
Just to update things, I called CMMG today and John more than made it right even without my aking him to - put them on your "good guys to do business with" list.
Thanks for your thoughts,
Jim
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