I haven't seen one of the SU 16s yet, but as far as looking cheap, I bought a P32 1 1/2 years ago as a knock around "when I'm not carrying" carry gun.It looked the same way, but after the KTOG reccomended "fluff and buff", it turned out to be a great little gun. So much so that I bought a P11 (wish they still made the P40s) about 4 months ago for a backpacking gun. I did the same F&B on it, and man, they both shoot great, are light as a feather, and reliable as all get out. They may not have HK stamped on them, but they are good, reliable, CHEAP, protection tools. (Only problem now is that wifey has decided she likes the P11 and wants it , along with a CCL) As I said, I haven't seen one yet, but I bet they're made the same way. If you need a cheap knock-around gun, I would bet they fill the bill.