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Posted: 10/9/2013 10:27:43 AM EDT
Here is a Sneak Peak of it while testing. I am shooting a 16" AR.308 with M80 at 400 yards and some close work. The reticle has proven amazingly effective giving you the tools to be fast up close and very accurate further out. It is illuminated but is not battery dependent and goes black when turned off.Using the big illuminated horse shoe from 0-50 I find me self snap shooting at stuff like never before, I am able to transition from target to target very fast . I am using the small horseshoe for 50-200 increasing my speed again.We also included a 1Moa dot allowing you to be very accurate. At medium range, Auto Range and accurate BDC provide you with very fast and accurate fire on target. Hint the name ACSS CQB-M "M" for medium range.
http://www.primaryarms.com/Primary-Arms-2-5X-Compact-Scope-PAC2-5X-p/pac2.5x.htm Dimitri |
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ACSS CQB-S 1X prism sight in the future? (I know Burris has one launching soon.)
I'm looking forward to the 4X. It'd be even cooler if you guys made some in FDE too. Or maybe a lightweight model with no illumination but have the etched reticle painted a very bright red. Either way, bravo! You guys are doing good things. |
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ACSS CQB-S 1X prism sight in the future? (I know Burris has one launching soon.) I'm looking forward to the 4X. It'd be even cooler if you guys made some in FDE too. Or maybe a lightweight model with no illumination but have the etched reticle painted a very bright red. Either way, bravo! You guys are doing good things. View Quote Thank you for your input. Dimitri |
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Apologies if this has been asked and I haven't seen:
Are these adjustable for eyepiece focus? the pictures I cannot tell with the flipups installed but it almost didn't look like it. |
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How does the 2.5x compare to the old 3x size wise? Looks like it is a bit smaller or at least more compact.
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quick question.
will this sight work well with a fixed front sight? Probably a stupid question. Thanks in advance |
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Thanks for your reply. Great pic! Exactly what I was looking for.
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Got my notice it was in stock just now. So ordered one. If this product is what I think it is, it's underpriced and will be $50 more in about 2 months.
And if it sucks... well, you'll hear about it! Pay attention to the EE - if I like it, you'll be seeing a used XPS2 w/a 2.5X multiplier on a LaRue mount going up! |
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Got my notice it was in stock just now. So ordered one. If this product is what I think it is, it's underpriced and will be $50 more in about 2 months. And if it sucks... well, you'll hear about it! Pay attention to the EE - if I like it, you'll be seeing a used XPS2 w/a 2.5X multiplier on a LaRue mount going up! View Quote It works it a tough like scope we ran it on a .308 for a while never lost 0. The reticle has proven very effective!. Snap shooting is very easy and the ranging, leads and BDC are on. There is video of it on youtube under ACSS 2.5 Dimitri |
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It works it a tough like scope we ran it on a .308 for a while never lost 0. The reticle has proven very effective!. Snap shooting is very easy and the ranging, leads and BDC are on. There is video of it on youtube under ACSS 2.5 Dimitri View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Got my notice it was in stock just now. So ordered one. If this product is what I think it is, it's underpriced and will be $50 more in about 2 months. And if it sucks... well, you'll hear about it! Pay attention to the EE - if I like it, you'll be seeing a used XPS2 w/a 2.5X multiplier on a LaRue mount going up! It works it a tough like scope we ran it on a .308 for a while never lost 0. The reticle has proven very effective!. Snap shooting is very easy and the ranging, leads and BDC are on. There is video of it on youtube under ACSS 2.5 Dimitri Thanks! And props to your shipping group, it is already on the way. You know, I didn't order the anti reflection shield with it. Now I'm thinking I want that too (not that I need it, but it looks really cool! ). Do you sell those separate, |
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At first I reasoned that since you are in Texas you should be getting yours before anyone else....but then I remembered just how big that state is and how long it takes to drive
from the east end to the west end and from the gulf to the OK border....... It might be actually be a shorter from Primary Arms,TX to WI |
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It showed up today.
This thing is Bad Ass! First, I love the design philosophy. What I am replacing is the EOTech + multiplier concept. One of those concepts that sounded great and looked good in the magazines. But in practice, I never took off the multiplier, so it was just a cumbersome 2 component system I could do in 1. So simplify - and go with a 3X sized power scope. I already decided I didn't want variable power. For low power optics, I prefer just keeping it simple and going fixed. So, that leaves your classic tube style optic, which isn't what I was looking for, or a Trijicon style optic. I like Trijicon. I could probably even afford one. But for my world, $1200 for a 3 or 4X scope is absurd. So, considered Chinese knock-offs. Eventually gave up on that, since I realized they were - Chinese Knock-offs. There are a lot of silly tacticool junk items out there. And they are very heavy. Then I saw this little gem being promoted. A $250 quality American piece of glass. With a well thought out design, and reticle design. At first I was unsure of the Koala of Death. But we'll get to that. So it came today. Shipping was $7 - I appreciate being charged a reasonable shipping charge. The box looks good. Open it up, and it's packaged in some nice packing foam. It's not a hard plastic box like EOTech comes in. But then, I never used that EOTech box again. But anyway, this is a nice box worth keeping - with good reusable foam insert. It comes with 2 Allen wrenches (haven't figure that out yet - but then, I only got it a couple hours ago), a battery, and the scope, along with the removable mount. And some spare screws. First the mount - I like it! It has a weight reduction design to it that I like. I like the elevation it goes up to. The scope exudes quality. Good clean edges, good lines, it just looks well made. I mount the scope. The thumb screws, aren't really. so had to tighten with a wrench. I'm cool with that, but my BUS is a has become questionable, since I can't deploy without tools to remove the scope. It's OK though, I like the lower weight of these bolts anyway. Put it on and look through, and the optical quality is fantastic. I mean, it's only 2.5X, so it doesn't take much I guess - but really, it is some fantastic quality glass. Now, to the reticle. When reading up, I thought it was busy. And that's true, it is busy. But, I swing the rifle around a few times looking through it, and you know... it really works. It works good. It's busy, but only busy in the finery. So if you are doing a fine precision shot at 300 yards, yea, you are going to need a steady fine shot and good light to see your target anyway. And with that setting, the dots show up just fine. But if you are a hurry, the two tiered reflex approach is very interesting. The larger outer ring is great for in-house quick snap shooting to close large things. The finer horse-shoe looks great for shooting at objects 100 yards away very quickly, If you have more time, use the fine sighting dot. But if you don't, you won't even see the fine sighting dot - but you will still hit in the short time you have. I put in the battery and turned on the red illumination. This is one spot that maybe needs an adjustment. I found the lowest setting of the red illumintion to be bright inside my well-lit home. As in, the correct level of intensity for that. Which means in a darker setting, this is going to be too bright. I would rather they had lower illumination settings, below 1. When you take it up to 11 (Got to love a good sense of humor), it's crazy bright. But hey, out on a desert in the summer sun, I bet that's just what you need - so that's good. I also like that it comes with flip-up sight covers. They do stick way up there when popped open, so be careful because such things break really easily in handling. Not that it matters, easily replaced. I would have preferred they went with clear covers, but that's not their product - the scope is. I look forward to taking it to the range and trying this guy out. Overall, I paid shy of $300 after taxes and shipping - and feel like I got a scope easily worth that. Nobody wrote me back about ordering the anti-flash thing after the fact, but that's OK, I probably don't need it. |
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It showed up today. This thing is Bad Ass! First, I love the design philosophy. What I am replacing is the EOTech + multiplier concept. One of those concepts that sounded great and looked good in the magazines. But in practice, I never took off the multiplier, so it was just a cumbersome 2 component system I could do in 1. So simplify - and go with a 3X sized power scope. I already decided I didn't want variable power. For low power optics, I prefer just keeping it simple and going fixed. So, that leaves your classic tube style optic, which isn't what I was looking for, or a Trijicon style optic. I like Trijicon. I could probably even afford one. But for my world, $1200 for a 3 or 4X scope is absurd. So, considered Chinese knock-offs. Eventually gave up on that, since I realized they were - Chinese Knock-offs. There are a lot of silly tacticool junk items out there. And they are very heavy. Then I saw this little gem being promoted. A $250 quality American piece of glass. With a well thought out design, and reticle design. At first I was unsure of the Koala of Death. But we'll get to that. So it came today. Shipping was $7 - I appreciate being charged a reasonable shipping charge. The box looks good. Open it up, and it's packaged in some nice packing foam. It's not a hard plastic box like EOTech comes in. But then, I never used that EOTech box again. But anyway, this is a nice box worth keeping - with good reusable foam insert. It comes with 2 Allen wrenches (haven't figure that out yet - but then, I only got it a couple hours ago), a battery, and the scope, along with the removable mount. And some spare screws. First the mount - I like it! It has a weight reduction design to it that I like. I like the elevation it goes up to. The scope exudes quality. Good clean edges, good lines, it just looks well made. I mount the scope. The thumb screws, aren't really. so had to tighten with a wrench. I'm cool with that, but my BUS is a has become questionable, since I can't deploy without tools to remove the scope. It's OK though, I like the lower weight of these bolts anyway. Put it on and look through, and the optical quality is fantastic. I mean, it's only 2.5X, so it doesn't take much I guess - but really, it is some fantastic quality glass. Now, to the reticle. When reading up, I thought it was busy. And that's true, it is busy. But, I swing the rifle around a few times looking through it, and you know... it really works. It works good. It's busy, but only busy in the finery. So if you are doing a fine precision shot at 300 yards, yea, you are going to need a steady fine shot and good light to see your target anyway. And with that setting, the dots show up just fine. But if you are a hurry, the two tiered reflex approach is very interesting. The larger outer ring is great for in-house quick snap shooting to close large things. The finer horse-shoe looks great for shooting at objects 100 yards away very quickly, If you have more time, use the fine sighting dot. But if you don't, you won't even see the fine sighting dot - but you will still hit in the short time you have. I put in the battery and turned on the red illumination. This is one spot that maybe needs an adjustment. I found the lowest setting of the red illumintion to be bright inside my well-lit home. As in, the correct level of intensity for that. Which means in a darker setting, this is going to be too bright. I would rather they had lower illumination settings, below 1. When you take it up to 11 (Got to love a good sense of humor), it's crazy bright. But hey, out on a desert in the summer sun, I bet that's just what you need - so that's good. I also like that it comes with flip-up sight covers. They do stick way up there when popped open, so be careful because such things break really easily in handling. Not that it matters, easily replaced. I would have preferred they went with clear covers, but that's not their product - the scope is. I look forward to taking it to the range and trying this guy out. Overall, I paid shy of $300 after taxes and shipping - and feel like I got a scope easily worth that. Nobody wrote me back about ordering the anti-flash thing after the fact, but that's OK, I probably don't need it. View Quote Sorry, NO. The box is clearly marked. This scope is made in the PRC. I got mine today. I agree it is a nice optic. I will plan on getting another one. |
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It showed up today. This thing is Bad Ass! First, I love the design philosophy. What I am replacing is the EOTech + multiplier concept. One of those concepts that sounded great and looked good in the magazines. But in practice, I never took off the multiplier, so it was just a cumbersome 2 component system I could do in 1. So simplify - and go with a 3X sized power scope. I already decided I didn't want variable power. For low power optics, I prefer just keeping it simple and going fixed. So, that leaves your classic tube style optic, which isn't what I was looking for, or a Trijicon style optic. I like Trijicon. I could probably even afford one. But for my world, $1200 for a 3 or 4X scope is absurd. So, considered Chinese knock-offs. Eventually gave up on that, since I realized they were - Chinese Knock-offs. There are a lot of silly tacticool junk items out there. And they are very heavy. Then I saw this little gem being promoted. A $250 quality American piece of glass. With a well thought out design, and reticle design. At first I was unsure of the Koala of Death. But we'll get to that. So it came today. Shipping was $7 - I appreciate being charged a reasonable shipping charge. The box looks good. Open it up, and it's packaged in some nice packing foam. It's not a hard plastic box like EOTech comes in. But then, I never used that EOTech box again. But anyway, this is a nice box worth keeping - with good reusable foam insert. It comes with 2 Allen wrenches (haven't figure that out yet - but then, I only got it a couple hours ago), a battery, and the scope, along with the removable mount. And some spare screws. First the mount - I like it! It has a weight reduction design to it that I like. I like the elevation it goes up to. The scope exudes quality. Good clean edges, good lines, it just looks well made. I mount the scope. The thumb screws, aren't really. so had to tighten with a wrench. I'm cool with that, but my BUS is a has become questionable, since I can't deploy without tools to remove the scope. It's OK though, I like the lower weight of these bolts anyway. Put it on and look through, and the optical quality is fantastic. I mean, it's only 2.5X, so it doesn't take much I guess - but really, it is some fantastic quality glass. Now, to the reticle. When reading up, I thought it was busy. And that's true, it is busy. But, I swing the rifle around a few times looking through it, and you know... it really works. It works good. It's busy, but only busy in the finery. So if you are doing a fine precision shot at 300 yards, yea, you are going to need a steady fine shot and good light to see your target anyway. And with that setting, the dots show up just fine. But if you are a hurry, the two tiered reflex approach is very interesting. The larger outer ring is great for in-house quick snap shooting to close large things. The finer horse-shoe looks great for shooting at objects 100 yards away very quickly, If you have more time, use the fine sighting dot. But if you don't, you won't even see the fine sighting dot - but you will still hit in the short time you have. I put in the battery and turned on the red illumination. This is one spot that maybe needs an adjustment. I found the lowest setting of the red illumintion to be bright inside my well-lit home. As in, the correct level of intensity for that. Which means in a darker setting, this is going to be too bright. I would rather they had lower illumination settings, below 1. When you take it up to 11 (Got to love a good sense of humor), it's crazy bright. But hey, out on a desert in the summer sun, I bet that's just what you need - so that's good. I also like that it comes with flip-up sight covers. They do stick way up there when popped open, so be careful because such things break really easily in handling. Not that it matters, easily replaced. I would have preferred they went with clear covers, but that's not their product - the scope is. I look forward to taking it to the range and trying this guy out. Overall, I paid shy of $300 after taxes and shipping - and feel like I got a scope easily worth that. Nobody wrote me back about ordering the anti-flash thing after the fact, but that's OK, I probably don't need it. View Quote Good feedback!! Here is a link to the killflash. LINK Not sure where the made in the USA came from. I wish we could but no way we could hit this price made here. |
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Sorry, NO. The box is clearly marked. This scope is made in the PRC. I got mine today. I agree it is a nice optic. I will plan on getting another one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It showed up today. This thing is Bad Ass! First, I love the design philosophy. What I am replacing is the EOTech + multiplier concept. One of those concepts that sounded great and looked good in the magazines. But in practice, I never took off the multiplier, so it was just a cumbersome 2 component system I could do in 1. So simplify - and go with a 3X sized power scope. I already decided I didn't want variable power. For low power optics, I prefer just keeping it simple and going fixed. So, that leaves your classic tube style optic, which isn't what I was looking for, or a Trijicon style optic. I like Trijicon. I could probably even afford one. But for my world, $1200 for a 3 or 4X scope is absurd. So, considered Chinese knock-offs. Eventually gave up on that, since I realized they were - Chinese Knock-offs. There are a lot of silly tacticool junk items out there. And they are very heavy. Then I saw this little gem being promoted. A $250 quality American piece of glass. With a well thought out design, and reticle design. At first I was unsure of the Koala of Death. But we'll get to that. So it came today. Shipping was $7 - I appreciate being charged a reasonable shipping charge. The box looks good. Open it up, and it's packaged in some nice packing foam. It's not a hard plastic box like EOTech comes in. But then, I never used that EOTech box again. But anyway, this is a nice box worth keeping - with good reusable foam insert. It comes with 2 Allen wrenches (haven't figure that out yet - but then, I only got it a couple hours ago), a battery, and the scope, along with the removable mount. And some spare screws. First the mount - I like it! It has a weight reduction design to it that I like. I like the elevation it goes up to. The scope exudes quality. Good clean edges, good lines, it just looks well made. I mount the scope. The thumb screws, aren't really. so had to tighten with a wrench. I'm cool with that, but my BUS is a has become questionable, since I can't deploy without tools to remove the scope. It's OK though, I like the lower weight of these bolts anyway. Put it on and look through, and the optical quality is fantastic. I mean, it's only 2.5X, so it doesn't take much I guess - but really, it is some fantastic quality glass. Now, to the reticle. When reading up, I thought it was busy. And that's true, it is busy. But, I swing the rifle around a few times looking through it, and you know... it really works. It works good. It's busy, but only busy in the finery. So if you are doing a fine precision shot at 300 yards, yea, you are going to need a steady fine shot and good light to see your target anyway. And with that setting, the dots show up just fine. But if you are a hurry, the two tiered reflex approach is very interesting. The larger outer ring is great for in-house quick snap shooting to close large things. The finer horse-shoe looks great for shooting at objects 100 yards away very quickly, If you have more time, use the fine sighting dot. But if you don't, you won't even see the fine sighting dot - but you will still hit in the short time you have. I put in the battery and turned on the red illumination. This is one spot that maybe needs an adjustment. I found the lowest setting of the red illumintion to be bright inside my well-lit home. As in, the correct level of intensity for that. Which means in a darker setting, this is going to be too bright. I would rather they had lower illumination settings, below 1. When you take it up to 11 (Got to love a good sense of humor), it's crazy bright. But hey, out on a desert in the summer sun, I bet that's just what you need - so that's good. I also like that it comes with flip-up sight covers. They do stick way up there when popped open, so be careful because such things break really easily in handling. Not that it matters, easily replaced. I would have preferred they went with clear covers, but that's not their product - the scope is. I look forward to taking it to the range and trying this guy out. Overall, I paid shy of $300 after taxes and shipping - and feel like I got a scope easily worth that. Nobody wrote me back about ordering the anti-flash thing after the fact, but that's OK, I probably don't need it. Sorry, NO. The box is clearly marked. This scope is made in the PRC. I got mine today. I agree it is a nice optic. I will plan on getting another one. Well crap - so you are right. |
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Dimitri will be along shortly to go into more detail but what you said about it being a better option than a red dot with magnifier is exactly what we were out to accomplish.
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M855 out of most AR will do 2950-3000 also set your sight height to 2.8" not 1.1 BC .158G7 With a 50 yard zero using the 1MOA dot at 300 yards its drops about 1.54"MOA So it will be 1.04 MOA short 3.12" at 300 yards. 3" low at 300 is very acceptable on center mass hits and best to share 1 aiming point from 0-300 M855 will have about a 2 MOA error and group around 6" at 300. The BDC is right on. I am glad you like it! Having a red dot magnifier in one was the goal with 2.5X Like you pointed out the reticle was made to be very fast upclose using the large horseshoe Then from 100-300 the small horseshoe takes over increasing speed again. Auto range with BDC dots really come in handy past 300 yards. What I noticed in testing besides the speed and accuracy increase is how tough these little scopes are! Here is a video of it in action! http://youtu.be/iq1jh_njvjg Dimitri |
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I paced off the streetlights in my neighborhood today and sat in the darkened garage with the scope and ranged various landmarks.
The farthest I could see was right at 300 yards. I walked out to the light pole and marked my height on it. (5'10"). I went back to the garage to the scope and the rangefinder was right on. I'll try some longer distances but I'll have to dismount the scope from the rifle so I can sit on the porch without alarming the neighbors. |
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I paced off the streetlights in my neighborhood today and sat in the darkened garage with the scope and ranged various landmarks. The farthest I could see was right at 300 yards. I walked out to the light pole and marked my height on it. (5'10"). I went back to the garage to the scope and the rangefinder was right on. I'll try some longer distances but I'll have to dismount the scope from the rifle so I can sit on the porch without alarming the neighbors. View Quote Hey that's a good Idea I might try that with my 1-6x |
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I'm going to echo most of the points raised earlier, with one quick note - illumination is not high enough to be truly usable in the sun. Even at 11, it shows up as only "light red". And while you can use the black reticle at that point, you would need to spend extra time acquiring it against a busy background. Is it a good sight? Yes - I like it. Does it outperform RDS+magnifier in ALL situations? No.
As a side note, I would love to see PA continue to develop this line, and possibly introduce a "Premium" version with more features. Also...will this be available with a AK-specific mount? I realize you can technically attach it via picatilly rail side mounts, but that would put it too high. |
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I'm going to echo most of the points raised earlier, with one quick note - illumination is not high enough to be truly usable in the sun. Even at 11, it shows up as only "light red". And while you can use the black reticle at that point, you would need to spend extra time acquiring it against a busy background. Is it a good sight? Yes - I like it. Does it outperform RDS+magnifier in ALL situations? No. As a side note, I would love to see PA continue to develop this line, and possibly introduce a "Premium" version with more features. Also...will this be available with a AK-specific mount? I realize you can technically attach it via picatilly rail side mounts, but that would put it too high. View Quote It would leave you high on an AK but still works. With my AK74 it actually shot very well! It will outperform any red dot that does not use BDC past 200 yards. Guessing how far the target is and guessing where to hold is just that, a guess. The ACSS will auto range and BDC much more accurate then a red dot with a magnifier. We are making hits 600 yards out! I can never do that with my Eotech..:( Here I shoot 9-10 at 400 yards. Using a red dot ill be lucky to get 4-10 and would end up walking it in. Notice how my first shot was a hit. Its really hard to get a first round hit at 400 yards with a red dot. Also want to add the reticle illumination was off. I prefer it blk, as you can see I can double tap and get on target very fast even with a .308. I get what your saying about seeing a bright dot but my problem with that is that if the battery fails then you have no aiming point unless your running cowitnessed. If the battery fails on the 2.5 its not a big deal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq1jh_njvjg Dimitri |
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It would leave you high on an AK but still works. With my AK74 it actually shot very well! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
It would leave you high on an AK but still works. With my AK74 it actually shot very well! Dmitry, Here is what Oleg Volk said: This optic is designed for AR15 but works on AK with a receiver rail and cheek riser as well — or you can take off the mount and use lowerrings. Is that right - can you use low rings with this sight? If so, which diameter? |
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I don't see how you would use rings with this. Without the flat top mount it's machined to fit in an AR carry handle.
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Dmitry, Here is what Oleg Volk said: Is that right - can you use low rings with this sight? If so, which diameter? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It would leave you high on an AK but still works. With my AK74 it actually shot very well! Dmitry, Here is what Oleg Volk said: This optic is designed for AR15 but works on AK with a receiver rail and cheek riser as well — or you can take off the mount and use lowerrings. Is that right - can you use low rings with this sight? If so, which diameter? Perhaps he was thinking about the 1-6. We do recommend lower rings with it and will work great on an AK74. There is a 1-6 7.62x39/AAC300 in the works Dimitri |
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