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Posted: 9/5/2010 6:52:10 PM EDT
Do you have/had one? What do you think??? In concept it seems like a good idea, but we all know reality things can take a completly different path... I don't recall seeing any pics of any of your rigs employing them posted in this section.... ... I realize there is a Magpul fourum area, but I figured everyone in there would just say it was the Shiznit, just because its a Magpul area and product... Figured you guys would have some experience and details so support your opinions... |
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I've had one for a year plus now. When I first got it I almost got rid of it. But I decided to stick with it and I am glad I did. Like anything else don't expect to bolt one on and master it in minutes. It takes some time to gain proficiency with it. You need to get your reps in. I can't imagine not having one at this point.
For me I see two benefits in it: 1) speeds up reloads. That's a given. 2) makes left handed reloads much more efficient I have seen others talk about using it to aid in jam clearing by locking back the bolt without having to break firing grip. That's fine. But I don't want a locked back bolt when my fingers are up inside of the upper receiver. I hold back the CH manually during the clearing process. The other use is administrative weapons manipulation. locking back the bolt or sending it home with the touch of a finger. It's like a lot of other products on the market. You may not NEED them but once you start using them you will see the benifit. I don't need an Aimpoint or a BCM Gunfighter CH, but at this point I do not want a rifle without them or the BAD lever. |
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I have one for my SPR, and I'm getting a 45 degree one for my carbine when they come out.
Takes a little getting used to, but its the only modular safety out there. ETA: Oh shit. The bolt assist. Duh. |
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I've had one for a year plus now. When I first got it I almost got rid of it. But I decided to stick with it and I am glad I did. Like anything else don't expect to bolt one on and master it in minutes. It takes some time to gain proficiency with it. You need to get your reps in. I can't imagine not having one at this point. For me I see two benefits in it: 1) speeds up reloads. That's a given. 2) makes left handed reloads much more efficient I have seen others talk about using it to aid in jam clearing by locking back the bolt without having to break firing grip. That's fine. But I don't want a locked back bolt when my fingers are up inside of the upper receiver. I hold back the CH manually during the clearing process. The other use is administrative weapons manipulation. locking back the bolt or sending it home with the touch of a finger. It's like a lot of other products on the market. You may not NEED them but once you start using them you will see the benifit. I don't need an Aimpoint or a BCM Gunfighter CH, but at this point I do not want a rifle without them or the BAD lever. Its not a charging handle. |
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I have one for my SPR, and I'm getting a 45 degree one for my carbine when they come out. Takes a little getting used to, but its the only modular safety out there. Wrong BAD product |
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I have one for my SPR, and I'm getting a 45 degree one for my carbine when they come out. Takes a little getting used to, but its the only modular safety out there. Wrong BAD product I know!! D'oh! I have one of the Magpul ones. Never had the problem some have with the bolt catch not functioning. |
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I've had one for a year plus now. When I first got it I almost got rid of it. But I decided to stick with it and I am glad I did. Like anything else don't expect to bolt one on and master it in minutes. It takes some time to gain proficiency with it. You need to get your reps in. I can't imagine not having one at this point. For me I see two benefits in it: 1) speeds up reloads. That's a given. 2) makes left handed reloads much more efficient I have seen others talk about using it to aid in jam clearing by locking back the bolt without having to break firing grip. That's fine. But I don't want a locked back bolt when my fingers are up inside of the upper receiver. I hold back the CH manually during the clearing process. The other use is administrative weapons manipulation. locking back the bolt or sending it home with the touch of a finger. It's like a lot of other products on the market. You may not NEED them but once you start using them you will see the benifit. I don't need an Aimpoint or a BCM Gunfighter CH, but at this point I do not want a rifle without them or the BAD lever. Its not a charging handle. It's not a safety selector either. Read the OP again. MAGPUL BAD LEVER. |
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I've had one for a year plus now. When I first got it I almost got rid of it. But I decided to stick with it and I am glad I did. Like anything else don't expect to bolt one on and master it in minutes. It takes some time to gain proficiency with it. You need to get your reps in. I can't imagine not having one at this point. For me I see two benefits in it: 1) speeds up reloads. That's a given. 2) makes left handed reloads much more efficient I have seen others talk about using it to aid in jam clearing by locking back the bolt without having to break firing grip. That's fine. But I don't want a locked back bolt when my fingers are up inside of the upper receiver. I hold back the CH manually during the clearing process. The other use is administrative weapons manipulation. locking back the bolt or sending it home with the touch of a finger. It's like a lot of other products on the market. You may not NEED them but once you start using them you will see the benifit. I don't need an Aimpoint or a BCM Gunfighter CH, but at this point I do not want a rifle without them or the BAD lever. Its not a charging handle. No, it's not But, it's not a modular safety. It's an extended bolt release. Magpul product, not Battle Arms Development |
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I've had one for a year plus now. When I first got it I almost got rid of it. But I decided to stick with it and I am glad I did. Like anything else don't expect to bolt one on and master it in minutes. It takes some time to gain proficiency with it. You need to get your reps in. I can't imagine not having one at this point. For me I see two benefits in it: 1) speeds up reloads. That's a given. 2) makes left handed reloads much more efficient I have seen others talk about using it to aid in jam clearing by locking back the bolt without having to break firing grip. That's fine. But I don't want a locked back bolt when my fingers are up inside of the upper receiver. I hold back the CH manually during the clearing process. The other use is administrative weapons manipulation. locking back the bolt or sending it home with the touch of a finger. It's like a lot of other products on the market. You may not NEED them but once you start using them you will see the benifit. I don't need an Aimpoint or a BCM Gunfighter CH, but at this point I do not want a rifle without them or the BAD lever. Its not a charging handle. It's not a safety selector either. Read the OP again. MAGPUL BAD LEVER. I saw..... then I saw again. |
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Quoted: Not sure where the confusion is comming in....Quoted: Quoted: I've had one for a year plus now. When I first got it I almost got rid of it. But I decided to stick with it and I am glad I did. Like anything else don't expect to bolt one on and master it in minutes. It takes some time to gain proficiency with it. You need to get your reps in. I can't imagine not having one at this point. For me I see two benefits in it: 1) speeds up reloads. That's a given. 2) makes left handed reloads much more efficient I have seen others talk about using it to aid in jam clearing by locking back the bolt without having to break firing grip. That's fine. But I don't want a locked back bolt when my fingers are up inside of the upper receiver. I hold back the CH manually during the clearing process. The other use is administrative weapons manipulation. locking back the bolt or sending it home with the touch of a finger. It's like a lot of other products on the market. You may not NEED them but once you start using them you will see the benifit. I don't need an Aimpoint or a BCM Gunfighter CH, but at this point I do not want a rifle without them or the BAD lever. Its not a charging handle. No, it's not But, it's not a modular safety. It's an extended bolt release. Magpul product, not Battle Arms Development From Magpuls site.... B.A.D. Lever® – Battery Assist Device http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG980/100 So, back on topic, it seems like most people like it... I was over at a freinds the other night playing with his complete lower and pmag,, just messing around seeing how fast I could drop a mag and reload without looking at the fresh mag or the gun (keeping eyes downrange on targets) and I was like, man, I think one of those B.A.D. Levers® might be nice..... So, I thought I'd ask ya'lls opinion... |
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Personally I'm not a fan, the way my hand is sized and shaped, my finger comes close to brushing the trigger when manipulating the BAD lever.
I guess that's my largest beef, the only two things I feel comfortable with in the trigger well are the trigger, and my finger. Sure the FAL, M-96/ XCR and now the ACR have a similar system, but they are located out of the trigger well, and I feel MUCH more comfortable with that. |
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The problem is-
If you're going to use it you need to put them on all of your guns or else in a stressful situation you're going to be screwed. |
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I have them on my Rock River and LMT, works flawlessly and is a great addition.
I won't say it's the best thing since peanut butter (I reserve that for the BCM GunFighter Charging Handles) but it's close... |
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Quoted: The problem is- If you're going to use it you need to put them on all of your guns or else in a stressful situation you're going to be screwed. If thats the worst thng anyone can come up with, I'm sold... I mean if you can afford 5 or 6 ARs, you can afford to put levers on'em.... I only have Three ""Complete shootable"" ARs, so I'm not that worried... Next time I order some stuff I think I'll pick up a few... |
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The problem is- If you're going to use it you need to put them on all of your guns or else in a stressful situation you're going to be screwed. If thats the worst thng anyone can come up with, I'm sold... I mean if you can afford 5 or 6 ARs, you can afford to put levers on'em.... I only have Three ""Complete shootable"" ARs, so I'm not that worried... Next time I order some stuff I think I'll pick up a few... It is a valid point. I was shooting a friends AR a few weeks back. Doing a rifle "El pres" drill, I began to launch into a typically retarded fast reload and there was no BAD lever there. I had a 3/4 second pause due to a brain freeze and ended up racking the CH to send the bolt forward and complete the drill. Afterwards we looked at eachother like "WTF was that???" Why didn't I just slap the paddle like I used to. It all comes down to a training issue. Yes I got it up and running but it's strange that I would resort to running the handle to do so, but that's what happened. That issue will be solved though, I gave my friend an extra BAD lever I had Spend plenty of time dry running these drills. Reloads, left side manipulation, etc. That will get you more proficient with the BAD. I have many, many hours logged in dry practice and it definitely transfers when the range goes hot. |
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I've got one on my 16" carbine and I love it.. It helps speed up reloads because your not having to go to the other side and slap the paddle, its just all right there together.. I will say it takes some training time to get used to, but thats with all new ideas and products. I would reccomend it!
Just my .02 Good day, Stephen S. |
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I love mine. It just makes sense to me. I think it looks weird, but it does exactly what it is supposed to.
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Do you have/had one?
What do you think??? In concept it seems like a good idea, but we all know reality things can take a completly different path... I don't recall seeing any pics of any of your rigs employing them posted in this section.... ... I realize there is a Magpul fourum area, but I figured everyone in there would just say it was the Shiznit, just because its a Magpul area and product... Figured you guys would have some experience and details so support your opinions... Makes doing malfuntions seamless w/o taking your hand off fire control. My only gripe is there isn't one for the 7.62 platform. |
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Another way for MagPul to get you to open your wallet. When I snap my fingers, you will awake, I will ask that you get my wallet out of the bag ... it's the one that says "BA ..." |
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I am running a B.A.D. on my 16" carbine and a Phase 5 Tactical EBRv2 on my 20" HBAR A4.
I had a few minor fit issues with the B.A.D., but that was solved by switching out the bolt catch for one that had a thicker paddle. It still has a little fore and aft play, but I can live with it and it doesn't affect function. (for me) The advantage with the EBRv2 is that it is a one piece design. It has a very good fit, no play. It's nearly twice the price of the B.A.D. but I like how it feels. When installed the B.A.D. lever is further away from the trigger than the EBRv2 lever. I'll keep running both, at least until LT makes their own. B.A.D. EBRv2 ETA Pics |
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I was relunctant until I bought and used a BAD, then within a week I bought one for all my ARs.
The only issue that I have encountered is, is that on my one of my guns that use a LaRue Stealth upper reciever. The BAD wouldn't work when I put my CMMG .22 conversion kit in it, but would work fine with the standard BCG. Since I use the .22 conversion mostly in that gun, I removed the BAD. I plan on building a dedicated .22 upper and re-installing the BAD on the gun, eventually. |
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I have one also and like it, will be putting them on the rest of my rifles.
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I had one for a while and it worked well, I don't really see any drawbacks from using one. I took it off my rifle because I would loosen up to easily, even with locktite. The lever would still function if it was loose but it was something that felt like it could get worse and maybe fall off over time if not ocasionaly tightened. A better mounting system would be good or a one piece design as mention above would improve the product. |
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Another way for MagPul to get you to open your wallet. So you've tried one, correct? And after trying it decided it wasn't for you, correct? Or are you basing your opinion on nothing more than preconceived notions? |
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It's become a standard piece of kit on all my AR's now.
It makes sense to me also to have it and I feel I have better control of the rifle while clearing a malfunction while running a course during competition. Malfunctions during a comp are bad news but the last thing I want is to be DQ'd by the RO for (in his opinion) loosing control of my rifle or having it point in an unsafe direction while clearing it. With the BAD I can easily keep the muzzle pointed downrange or at my next target while getting it back up and running. It's just way faster IMO. When I shoot a buddy's rifle that is not equipped with one it feels like something is missing. |
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One of the greatest advantages I see in it is also one of the potential liabilities. It is so easy to use, I tend to forget all ARs don't have them. I have found that some companies develop products that feel like they should have been on an AR all along. BCM Gunfighter charging handle, Magpul trigger guard, Magpul BAD. A few hours of training and practice, and the BAD easily becomes second nature. When I go to the local toy store and check out an AR, I end up trying to lock back the bolt as if it had a BAD on it. A bit embarrasing, that. But reloads, unloads, and malfunction drills are much faster and easier now.
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i wasn't so sure when i first got it, but after getting used to it i love it. makes things just go smoother during mag change or malfunctions.
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Another way for MagPul to get you to open your wallet. When I snap my fingers, you will awake, I will ask that you get my wallet out of the bag ... it's the one that says "BA ..." That's a great movie! To the OP: Love the BAD lever. Have it on all my rifles. There is definitely something to be said about having it on ALL your rifles though. You get so use to it that when you pick up a rifle that doesn't have it your all messed up. |
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I have seen others talk about using it to aid in jam clearing by locking back the bolt without having to break firing grip. That's fine. But I don't want a locked back bolt when my fingers are up inside of the upper receiver. I hold back the CH manually during the clearing process. why are your fingers ever inside the reciever? |
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I have seen others talk about using it to aid in jam clearing by locking back the bolt without having to break firing grip. That's fine. But I don't want a locked back bolt when my fingers are up inside of the upper receiver. I hold back the CH manually during the clearing process. why are your fingers ever inside the reciever? In some situations when the brass is stuck. Holding the charging handle back with your support hand and remidiating the malf with your firing grip ends up being more effiecient than most of the other ways taught. |
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I used one in conjuction with a Red-Mag. In my opinion, that is when the BAD really shines.
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I just put on on my setup. To say it makes perfect sense would be an understatement.
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I have one on all my AR's they are the shit. Simple but straight to the point....I have to agree. Makes a world of difference and can't imagine running my AR (future AR) without one. Buy one give it a try and if you do not like it take it off and sell it, it will go fast. |
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Quoted: I'm sold...Quoted: I have one on all my AR's they are the shit. Simple but straight to the point....I have to agree. Makes a world of difference and can't imagine running my AR (future AR) without one. Buy one give it a try and if you do not like it take it off and sell it, it will go fast. Ordering a LT range bag and mag holders/holsters for my G22 mags next, then I'll be ordering a few BAD levers... |
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Great little product. I just wish it would fit on my OBR. It will work on the Lite though. Very handy when doing a prone or on the bench reload.
Oh, one other problem: If you are like me, and want them on all your AR's, you need close to 300 bucks worth of them. |
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Great little product. I just wish it would fit on my OBR. It will work on the Lite though. Very handy when doing a prone or on the bench reload. Oh, one other problem: If you are like me, and want them on all your AR's, you need close to 300 bucks worth of them. Have you looked into any of the other extended bolt catches? |
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When I mounted it on my Larue lower, the BAD lever was partly engaged. The bolt wouldn't lock back. I had to file the back side of the BAD lever mount so it doesn't rub the side of Larue stealth upper.
Larue's stealth upper is wider. So the BAD lever might give some poor performance attached to your favorite Larue gun, unless you modify the mounting bracket on the BAD lever. |
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Quoted: I have them on my Rock River and LMT, works flawlessly and is a great addition. I won't say it's the best thing since peanut butter (I reserve that for the BCM GunFighter Charging Handles) but it's close... I have both of these on my OBR 5.56, and they both rock. |
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I have one on my issued M4 and its very loose and wobbles. But it works well enough
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I have the BAD Lever and the Phase 5 ebrV2, and both work well! Makes reloads that much easier and smoother.
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I know the b.a.d. won't fit on my OBR, but will the .308 version of the EBRv2/308 work with the OBR?
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1. If your finger gets near the trigger using it, I don't understand. It projects PAST the trigger opening so your finger can work it while held straight out pointing forward.
2. Gotta have them on all guns, as you get real spoiled real quick. 3. The wobble. It is NOT the B.A.D. (if installed correctly) it is the bolt catch itself that wobbles. Some worse than others and with a long extension (B.A.D.), the wobble is amplified. Try other bolt catches and some fit better than others. 4. When loading one round at a time, as some matches require, it is a blessing on a match rifle. 5. When changing mags in prone, more blessing. 6. None of my 4 have ever come loose, and I do use some non-perm Loctite. 7. Had another brand, now forgotten, that WAS too close to the trigger. BAD ain't. 8. Of course, the ONE rifle I really want it on is the one I shoot in comp mostly, and the damned S&W upper is machined so cool/weird it won't fit. 9. Magpul DOES find ways to suck money out of my pocket, and that is to their CREDIT. They make a lot of good products, so I am happy to give them money. Damn them. Unless I am just a total dumbass and willing to buy stuff that a sane man would consider crap... I am getting old... |
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