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Okay just got back from the show for the day. I've got Bushmaster's ACR flyer in front of me as I type. Basic ACR - Black & FDE - Available March 1, 2010 - MSRP $2,685 Enhanced ACR - Black & FDE - Available May 1, 2010 - MSRP $3,061 I asked for dealer pricing and was told basic would start at $2,100. At that point I left the booth rather pissed off...my wife actually grabbed the flyer. Taking a breather from the show for a few. Went back to Bushy today and asked to see the dealer pricing in writing. The rep I talked to was very accommodating. After showing him our FFL and SOT he then pulled out a dealer price sheet and gave me the cost on the ACR's: Base model @ $2175 Enhanced @ $2475 Saw it with my own eyes. I asked why so high from what MagPul quoted and he stated that costs were higher than anticipated. Take that for what it's worth, but I still think they have a lot less in each unit than they'll admit to and could probably sell close to the original estimates. Thanks for the update |
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'Scuse the question, I've no experience with group buys... If there was such a thing, how would it be coordinated? +1 |
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An interesting point I haven't heard mention is that the Massoud is still under Magpul control.
While not a direct analog for the ACR it should give a fairly good comparison for Magpul to determine if the price Bushmaster is giving is within the realm of reason. It'd be great if Magpul could release the Massoud this year for under $2K. |
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ETA: In my opnion, I am beginning to think that "WE" are the only ones that were lied to!!! I just have a hard time believing that Magpul knew nothing of this huge travesty prior to SHOT. WHATEVER! I think Magpul's silence is the answer we are all looking for, unless I missed a comment they have made about this.
Or they could be really busy working SHOT show and not scouring the interwebs to respond to all 9,000,000 ACR threads. Of course, because they don't have internet in Vegas or because they didn't respond to some threads during the last few Shot Shows Obviously you've never worked at a trade-show before. As a low-level sales guy working the booth you spend 8 to 9 hours talking to people without very many breaks. After that time you have to catch up on your normal work (responding to emails/voice mails). After dinner and a quick call home the last thing you want to do is surf the net and respond to dorks on the internet. Now multiply that by 3 or 4 for the bigwigs. Not only do they have to interact with customers and meet with industry contacts they still must respond to the needs of the office. Toss in entertaining clients at night and taking a dump, the time to deal with crying internet ninjas is pretty limited. And as mentioned by someone else, they may have some legal issues they need to deal with and having a bunch of posts on the internet saying "Bushmaster fooked us!" isn't going to help. I don't think you can chalk their silence up to some grand conspiracy as you implied. At least, not if you have any common sense. It would be foolish to ignore this demographic. Try to be realistic about who the real potential buyers are for this rifle. The military won't be picking it up. The average AR buyers out there looking at shitty rifles from DPMS and Bushmaster aren't going to spend three times their normal budgets on this. Most of the boutique AR buyers are happy with their LaRues, Noveskes, and LWRCs. The strong cult following this rifle has developed, and the word-of-mouth advertising that we could potentially generate, have the potential to do the real buying (perhaps along with some modest LE contracts). |
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ETA: In my opnion, I am beginning to think that "WE" are the only ones that were lied to!!! I just have a hard time believing that Magpul knew nothing of this huge travesty prior to SHOT. WHATEVER! I think Magpul's silence is the answer we are all looking for, unless I missed a comment they have made about this.
Or they could be really busy working SHOT show and not scouring the interwebs to respond to all 9,000,000 ACR threads. Of course, because they don't have internet in Vegas or because they didn't respond to some threads during the last few Shot Shows Obviously you've never worked at a trade-show before. As a low-level sales guy working the booth you spend 8 to 9 hours talking to people without very many breaks. After that time you have to catch up on your normal work (responding to emails/voice mails). After dinner and a quick call home the last thing you want to do is surf the net and respond to dorks on the internet. Now multiply that by 3 or 4 for the bigwigs. Not only do they have to interact with customers and meet with industry contacts they still must respond to the needs of the office. Toss in entertaining clients at night and taking a dump, the time to deal with crying internet ninjas is pretty limited. And as mentioned by someone else, they may have some legal issues they need to deal with and having a bunch of posts on the internet saying "Bushmaster fooked us!" isn't going to help. I don't think you can chalk their silence up to some grand conspiracy as you implied. At least, not if you have any common sense. It would be foolish to ignore this demographic. Try to be realistic about who the real potential buyers are for this rifle. The military won't be picking it up. The average AR buyers out there looking at shitty rifles from DPMS and Bushmaster aren't going to spend three times their normal budgets on this. Most of the boutique AR buyers are happy with their LaRues, Noveskes, and LWRCs. The strong cult following this rifle has developed, and the word-of-mouth advertising that we could potentially generate, have the potential to do the real buying (perhaps along with some modest LE contracts). +3061! |
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I seen that exact clip but dubbed with a Cornhuskers loss. That's pretty funny tho.
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Has anybody verified the weight yet, 8.2 lb. I'm guessing is a typo?
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Thanks for posting those pics! Colt, Sig & Vltor have my attention. |
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Thanks for posting.....I've seen that clip in it's many iterations but that's awesome considering the epic fail that is ACR |
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Okay that shit was funny! |
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No joke, that's the best version of that I've seen! |
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That's hilarious ... and very well done. Rhododendrons... |
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Okay just got back from the show for the day. I've got Bushmaster's ACR flyer in front of me as I type. Basic ACR - Black & FDE - Available March 1, 2010 - MSRP $2,685 Enhanced ACR - Black & FDE - Available May 1, 2010 - MSRP $3,061 I asked for dealer pricing and was told basic would start at $2,100. At that point I left the booth rather pissed off...my wife actually grabbed the flyer. Taking a breather from the show for a few. Went back to Bushy today and asked to see the dealer pricing in writing. The rep I talked to was very accommodating. After showing him our FFL and SOT he then pulled out a dealer price sheet and gave me the cost on the ACR's: Base model @ $2175 Enhanced @ $2475 Saw it with my own eyes. I asked why so high from what MagPul quoted and he stated that costs were higher than anticipated. Take that for what it's worth, but I still think they have a lot less in each unit than they'll admit to and could probably sell close to the original estimates. Thanks for the update Interesting. Unfortunately, it's still out of my league. |
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OMF!! I guess nothing quite says it like a ripshit Hitler |
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That video was freaking awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I've taken the liberty of updating the description of the Magpul Masada: Future Weapons video on YouTube to properly reflect this new pricing information.
I figure that if Magpul / Bushmaster have enjoyed listening to thousands of annoyed arfcommers, they'll just love hearing from millions of foul-mouthed 12 year old Modern Warfare 2 players. |
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I just noticed on the Remington site that they have the ACR listed at 7 lbs. and with a cold hammer forged 1/7 barrel.
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Wow, if that's true about Remington, that is an outright bitchslap from "shrubmaster."
As Hitler said....Fook em, Fook em sideways. I think Robinson XCR is pro-gun. Or maybe an Addax side charging GPU with a Spikes lower. |
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Apparently Bushmaster has completely missed the news that...
1. Obama no longer has the votes to pass healthcare thanks to an insane upset in Massachusetts, which pretty much means there ain't gonna be no new AW Ban either... 2, The Economy is shit. FN can sell SCAR's at near what Bushy is asking for the ACR, but that's because they're FN, and the SCAR is far more complex than the ACR... Bushmaster makes $800 to $1200 AR's and a pretty interesting .50 cal rifle that's probably worth what's being asked (a local shop has sold several). Their pricing on the ACR is ludicrous. Perhaps this will end up like the failed Bushmaster AR-type .308 rifle (the one that took FAL mags) that was priced at $1700. That story had a happy ending in that RRA took the project back, re-engineered, and re-launched it with good results at an MSRP far lower than what Bushmaster was asking at the time. Maybe Remington can market it better, and produce it for less? If neither can't, maybe Magpul can get it back and do what RRA did? One thing for sure, this is going to be entertaining to watch the fallout from this pricing decision, I have no real interest in the ACR due to the pricing. Already got a $1000 shipped Gen4 STG-556. MSAR should get a lot of conversion sales out of this debacle... |
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Quoted: Apparently Bushmaster has completely missed the news that... 1. Obama no longer has the votes to pass healthcare thanks to an insane upset in Massachusetts, which pretty much means there ain't gonna be no new AW Ban either... 2, The Economy is shit. FN can sell SCAR's at near what Bushy is asking for the ACR, but that's because they're FN, and the SCAR is far more complex than the ACR... Bushmaster makes $800 to $1200 AR's and a pretty interesting .50 cal rifle that's probably worth what's being asked (a local shop has sold several). Their pricing on the ACR is ludicrous. Perhaps this will end up like the failed Bushmaster AR-type .308 rifle (the one that took FAL mags) that was priced at $1700. That story had a happy ending in that RRA took the project back, re-engineered, and re-launched it with good results at an MSRP far lower than what Bushmaster was asking at the time. Maybe Remington can market it better, and produce it for less? If neither can't, maybe Magpul can get it back and do what RRA did? One thing for sure, this is going to be entertaining to watch the fallout from this pricing decision, I have no real interest in the ACR due to the pricing. Already got a $1000 shipped Gen4 STG-556. MSAR should get a lot of conversion sales out of this debacle... Looks like RRA made did it again |
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Apparently Bushmaster has completely missed the news that... 1. Obama no longer has the votes to pass healthcare thanks to an insane upset in Massachusetts, which pretty much means there ain't gonna be no new AW Ban either... 2, The Economy is shit. FN can sell SCAR's at near what Bushy is asking for the ACR, but that's because they're FN, and the SCAR is far more complex than the ACR... Bushmaster makes $800 to $1200 AR's and a pretty interesting .50 cal rifle that's probably worth what's being asked (a local shop has sold several). Their pricing on the ACR is ludicrous. Perhaps this will end up like the failed Bushmaster AR-type .308 rifle (the one that took FAL mags) that was priced at $1700. That story had a happy ending in that RRA took the project back, re-engineered, and re-launched it with good results at an MSRP far lower than what Bushmaster was asking at the time. Maybe Remington can market it better, and produce it for less? If neither can't, maybe Magpul can get it back and do what RRA did? One thing for sure, this is going to be entertaining to watch the fallout from this pricing decision, I have no real interest in the ACR due to the pricing. Already got a $1000 shipped Gen4 STG-556. MSAR should get a lot of conversion sales out of this debacle... Looks like RRA made did it again Now that is interesting. |
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Mosin, you just made my day!! Ambi-charge, absent buffer tube, choice of AR grip... great potential. Any pricing info avail yet?
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Quoted: Mosin, you just made my day!! Ambi-charge, absent buffer tube, choice of AR grip... great potential. Any pricing info avail yet? It says $1335.00 on their website. http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=415 Looks nice. Good price. |
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Don't forget those are MSRP prices too, once distributors get them the sales price will probably be much lower.
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Don't forget those are MSRP prices too, once distributors get them the sales price will probably be much lower. Yeah, dealer price on the basic ACR is $2,100 though...they're not going to sell it for less than that. |
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Ooooh! My hopes are up again. I will be watching for the rifle version.
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Mosin, you just made my day!! Ambi-charge, absent buffer tube, choice of AR grip... great potential. Any pricing info avail yet? It says $1335.00 on their website. http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=415 Looks nice. Good price. For the pistol. Hopefully the rifle is no more than $1,500 (or the same would be nice!) Free floating? |
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RRA: "Bushmaster! We read your book!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJXKVOxqkWM And thus the fallout begins! |
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RRA: "Bushmaster! We read your book!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJXKVOxqkWM And thus the fallout begins! [/div] +1 only RRA skipped the chapter on "how to price a rifle so poorly you run off people who have been waiting for it for two years" |
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Apparently Bushmaster has completely missed the news that... 1. Obama no longer has the votes to pass healthcare thanks to an insane upset in Massachusetts, which pretty much means there ain't gonna be no new AW Ban either... 2, The Economy is shit. FN can sell SCAR's at near what Bushy is asking for the ACR, but that's because they're FN, and the SCAR is far more complex than the ACR... Bushmaster makes $800 to $1200 AR's and a pretty interesting .50 cal rifle that's probably worth what's being asked (a local shop has sold several). Their pricing on the ACR is ludicrous. Perhaps this will end up like the failed Bushmaster AR-type .308 rifle (the one that took FAL mags) that was priced at $1700. That story had a happy ending in that RRA took the project back, re-engineered, and re-launched it with good results at an MSRP far lower than what Bushmaster was asking at the time. Maybe Remington can market it better, and produce it for less? If neither can't, maybe Magpul can get it back and do what RRA did? One thing for sure, this is going to be entertaining to watch the fallout from this pricing decision, I have no real interest in the ACR due to the pricing. Already got a $1000 shipped Gen4 STG-556. MSAR should get a lot of conversion sales out of this debacle... Looks like RRA made did it again .............damn! things are looking up |
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I'm definitely intrigued by the RRA offering...my only question is how heavy is the rifle?
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Apparently Bushmaster has completely missed the news that... 1. Obama no longer has the votes to pass healthcare thanks to an insane upset in Massachusetts, which pretty much means there ain't gonna be no new AW Ban either... 2, The Economy is shit. FN can sell SCAR's at near what Bushy is asking for the ACR, but that's because they're FN, and the SCAR is far more complex than the ACR... Bushmaster makes $800 to $1200 AR's and a pretty interesting .50 cal rifle that's probably worth what's being asked (a local shop has sold several). Their pricing on the ACR is ludicrous. Perhaps this will end up like the failed Bushmaster AR-type .308 rifle (the one that took FAL mags) that was priced at $1700. That story had a happy ending in that RRA took the project back, re-engineered, and re-launched it with good results at an MSRP far lower than what Bushmaster was asking at the time. Maybe Remington can market it better, and produce it for less? If neither can't, maybe Magpul can get it back and do what RRA did? One thing for sure, this is going to be entertaining to watch the fallout from this pricing decision, I have no real interest in the ACR due to the pricing. Already got a $1000 shipped Gen4 STG-556. MSAR should get a lot of conversion sales out of this debacle... Looks like RRA made did it again guys this is a magpul and ACR thread, let's not get this locked after 7months... |
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Watch as this clueless rep from Shrubmaster tries to justify their insane pricing on these rifles:
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Watch as this clueless rep from Shrubmaster tries to justify their insane pricing on these rifles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgbOuMgoh8E Keep It |
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Watch as this clueless rep from Shrubmaster tries to justify their insane pricing on these rifles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgbOuMgoh8E Keep It Yup.. basically he said "we could have kept it shitty bushmaster quality for a real good price but we decided to actually make a good rifle so we feel the price is necessary" |
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Notice he will not look into the camera when he talks about the MSRP? He clearly says "its been a partnership all along with Magpul Industries, Bushmaster and Remington defense" .....
That is why I would like to hear from Magpul on the pricing. If cost to build the ACR had increased this dramatically during the past year or two, I would have hoped that someone (Magpul) would have at least hinted at something. I know BM is selling the ACR but I am also disappointed in Magpul. Just sucks!!! Still want the ACR but not able/willing to pay this much $. |
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I watched the video of the BM rep talking up the ACR. Several things I noticed, the FDE/Coyote color "Basic" rifle had three mismatched colors on it. The upper and lower were different, and the magpul sites didn't match up with either the upper or lower. For $2600+ can we get some consistency? The other thing I noticed was the "Enhanced" rifle comes with a Blue Force Sling? Can't even get a Magpul sling on the rifle they designed, LOL. The final thing was that BM rep pretty much told all of us to go fuck ourselves. The only thing more bloated than the rep is the ACR's price.
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Since when does a US soldier get a rifle that is 1/9 non chrome lined?
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