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I wonder how available spare parts will be? I would hope that they will be smart about this and have good amount of them ready. |
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I wonder how available spare parts will be? If it still takes an AR15 bolt and FCG, it should be cake... |
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I wonder how available spare parts will be? If it still takes an AR15 bolt and FCG, it should be cake... I think just the FCG at this point. |
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I wonder how available spare parts will be? If it still takes an AR15 bolt and FCG, it should be cake... I think just the FCG at this point. So....I guess the QC AR barrels are gone then? If it's not using an AR bolt I would think that the barrel extension would be different (unless they're just changing the back end of the bolt)... |
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Seems like they're retaining the bolt face, but I don't expect anyone that doesn't already have access to one will know before they're out. I expect that the reasoning is, since you don't need the gas rings or the channel for same in the ACR, it will be cheaper to make a bolt without that feature in the first place.
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Seems like they're retaining the bolt face, but I don't expect anyone that doesn't already have access to one will know before they're out. I expect that the reasoning is, since you don't need the gas rings or the channel for same in the ACR, it will be cheaper to make a bolt without that feature in the first place. That makes no sense. A) It would function the same if the gas rings and related features weren't machined into the bolt vs. if it was machined. B) Magpul isn't exactly known for re-inventing the wheel. I suspect it's much easier from a production standpoint to keep a standard AR15 bolt on board, even if they simply don't install the gas rings. Why? It's being made by an AR15 manufacturer, which has butt loads of AR15 bolts, barrel extensions, and barrels. There's no logic in making a bolt without the DI gas operation features and having to track separate parts that you can't install in the standard AR's. |
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I wonder how available spare parts will be? I would hope that they will be smart about this and have good amount of them ready. I wouldn't think that spares will become available until production is caught up. We all know that the ACR will be immensely popular, and I find it doubtful that spares will be available right away. With that said, Bushmaster/Remington doesn't have a problem selling spare parts like some other manufactures. It will also be interesting to see the different styles of aluminum lowers that will be forthcoming. |
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Seems like they're retaining the bolt face, but I don't expect anyone that doesn't already have access to one will know before they're out. I expect that the reasoning is, since you don't need the gas rings or the channel for same in the ACR, it will be cheaper to make a bolt without that feature in the first place. That makes no sense. A) It would function the same if the gas rings and related features weren't machined into the bolt vs. if it was machined. B) Magpul isn't exactly known for re-inventing the wheel. I suspect it's much easier from a production standpoint to keep a standard AR15 bolt on board, even if they simply don't install the gas rings. Why? It's being made by an AR15 manufacturer, which has butt loads of AR15 bolts, barrel extensions, and barrels. There's no logic in making a bolt without the DI gas operation features and having to track separate parts that you can't install in the standard AR's. We initially talked about using the AR bolt but the cam path is in the wrong place. Original Masadas used modified AR18 bolts. |
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We initially talked about using the AR bolt but the cam path is in the wrong place. Original Masadas used modified AR18 bolts. Still amazingly related bolts (I used to have an original AR180). Thanks for clearing it up |
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Hey Magpul - there's an empty spot under my C-Mas tree.
Funny thing is, coincidentally, it's just about the size of a Masada/ACR, especially if it were a 16" folding stock version. And if it were FDE, it would hide so well that I wouldn't see it till C-Mas morning.... just sayin' |
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I wonder how available spare parts will be? If it still takes an AR15 bolt and FCG, it should be cake... I think just the FCG at this point. So....I guess the QC AR barrels are gone then? If it's not using an AR bolt I would think that the barrel extension would be different (unless they're just changing the back end of the bolt)... Last I heard QC barrels still a go. |
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Is my ACR ready to go under the tree yet?........... Bueller?
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I was at the SWAT roundup in Orlando this week and spoke with the Remington sales rep. I asked him about the Remington/Bushmaster thing. (I recall that they were both bought by Cerberus, but did not think of this while speaking with him) He told me that Bushmaster would be making/selling the civilian version while Remington would be making/selling a military and law enforcement version. He went on to say that the Remington MIL/LE version would be built better than the civilian version and that it would be made stronger and "beefed up" in several areas. I would like to know if this is correct. |
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I've got a question: I was at the SWAT roundup in Orlando this week and spoke with the Remington sales rep. I asked him about the Remington/Bushmaster thing. (I recall that they were both bought by Cerberus, but did not think of this while speaking with him) He told me that Bushmaster would be making/selling the civilian version while Remington would be making/selling a military and law enforcement version. He went on to say that the Remington MIL/LE version would be built better than the civilian version and that it would be made stronger and "beefed up" in several areas. I would like to know if this is correct. More than likely it is. I have a feeling this cheaper made version will have alot of problems. Military is going to abuse it more than what civilians would. So more than likely the more beefed up version is true. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I've got a question: I was at the SWAT roundup in Orlando this week and spoke with the Remington sales rep. I asked him about the Remington/Bushmaster thing. (I recall that they were both bought by Cerberus, but did not think of this while speaking with him) He told me that Bushmaster would be making/selling the civilian version while Remington would be making/selling a military and law enforcement version. He went on to say that the Remington MIL/LE version would be built better than the civilian version and that it would be made stronger and "beefed up" in several areas. I would like to know if this is correct. More than likely it is. I have a feeling this cheaper made version will have alot of problems. Military is going to abuse it more than what civilians would. So more than likely the more beefed up version is true. My take is that the MIL/LE will be only be available in select-fire revisions, and will be differentiated accordingly. (Unique FCG/Carrier possibly?) Also, the standard kit, (handguards for example) will have more durable/expensive versions as the kit's default accessories. |
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That's not really what I wanted to hear. I understand as a civilian I won't have select fire available, but lesser build quality? That's not why I'm interested in this rifle.
And if that truly is the case when the weapon is released and all the smoke clears, my money will be spent elsewhere. |
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That's not really what I wanted to hear. I understand as a civilian I won't have select fire available, but lesser build quality? That's not why I'm interested in this rifle. And if that truly is the case when the weapon is released and all the smoke clears, my money will be spent elsewhere. One of the biggest cited reasons it's taken so long to get to market is to make sure it's built right the first time. I doubt the Magpul guys would be very happy if it was crap when it hit the market, they care about their rep. way too much for that. |
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I've got a question: I was at the SWAT roundup in Orlando this week and spoke with the Remington sales rep. I asked him about the Remington/Bushmaster thing. (I recall that they were both bought by Cerberus, but did not think of this while speaking with him) He told me that Bushmaster would be making/selling the civilian version while Remington would be making/selling a military and law enforcement version. He went on to say that the Remington MIL/LE version would be built better than the civilian version and that it would be made stronger and "beefed up" in several areas. I would like to know if this is correct. I am going out on a limb here an say the rep. was full of it. Why would a company build a beefed up version and a "regular" version when the can just build the beefed up one in the first place. Both Rem's and Bushies will likely be machined on the same equipment. Have you ever heard of a company say "We built a .Mil version to bad ass standards, and then we build a rifle from recycled beer cans for you regular folk" Just from a logistics stand point I cant see where that would make sense. |
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I've got a question: I was at the SWAT roundup in Orlando this week and spoke with the Remington sales rep. I asked him about the Remington/Bushmaster thing. (I recall that they were both bought by Cerberus, but did not think of this while speaking with him) He told me that Bushmaster would be making/selling the civilian version while Remington would be making/selling a military and law enforcement version. He went on to say that the Remington MIL/LE version would be built better than the civilian version and that it would be made stronger and "beefed up" in several areas. I would like to know if this is correct. I am going out on a limb here an say the rep. was full of it. Why would a company build a beefed up version and a "regular" version when the can just build the beefed up one in the first place. Both Rem's and Bushies will likely be machined on the same equipment. Have you ever heard of a company say "We built a .Mil version to bad ass standards, and then we build a rifle from recycled beer cans for you regular folk" Just from a logistics stand point I cant see where that would make sense. I agree, although Bushmaster is more likely to cut corners on QC. |
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I've got a question: I was at the SWAT roundup in Orlando this week and spoke with the Remington sales rep. I asked him about the Remington/Bushmaster thing. (I recall that they were both bought by Cerberus, but did not think of this while speaking with him) He told me that Bushmaster would be making/selling the civilian version while Remington would be making/selling a military and law enforcement version. He went on to say that the Remington MIL/LE version would be built better than the civilian version and that it would be made stronger and "beefed up" in several areas. I would like to know if this is correct. I am going out on a limb here an say the rep. was full of it. Why would a company build a beefed up version and a "regular" version when the can just build the beefed up one in the first place. Both Rem's and Bushies will likely be machined on the same equipment. Have you ever heard of a company say "We built a .Mil version to bad ass standards, and then we build a rifle from recycled beer cans for you regular folk" Just from a logistics stand point I cant see where that would make sense. I agree, although Bushmaster is more likely to cut corners on QC. And there in lies the rub for me. I don't expect the civilian version to be krap but if it's not a milspec version with just some different internals then I'm out. |
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Who's to say that Remington won't make a semi-auto version?
Think about it, not all Police departments have full-auto weapons. So if Remington is in fact going to handle all of the Military & Police sales, then they would (by my logic) put out a semi-auto. And if I'm right, you'll be able to buy the Remington version, just as you can buy the "LE" version of a Colt. |
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Who's to say that Remington won't make a semi-auto version? Think about it, not all Police departments have full-auto weapons. So if Remington is in fact going to handle all of the Military & Police sales, then they would (by my logic) put out a semi-auto. And if I'm right, you'll be able to buy the Remington version, just as you can buy the "LE" version of a Colt. I don't think anybody's disputing (or even commenting on) that, just the assertion that the Remington ACR will be somehow better built than the Bushmaster version of the same rifle. |
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Who's to say that Remington won't make a semi-auto version? Think about it, not all Police departments have full-auto weapons. So if Remington is in fact going to handle all of the Military & Police sales, then they would (by my logic) put out a semi-auto. And if I'm right, you'll be able to buy the Remington version, just as you can buy the "LE" version of a Colt. I don't think anybody's disputing (or even commenting on) that, just the assertion that the Remington ACR will be somehow better built than the Bushmaster version of the same rifle. Hmmm, my guess is they'll both be made in the same place. Could be wrong, but other than markings and some "styling" parts, Im guessing they'll be the same. |
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I've got a question: I was at the SWAT roundup in Orlando this week and spoke with the Remington sales rep. I asked him about the Remington/Bushmaster thing. (I recall that they were both bought by Cerberus, but did not think of this while speaking with him) He told me that Bushmaster would be making/selling the civilian version while Remington would be making/selling a military and law enforcement version. He went on to say that the Remington MIL/LE version would be built better than the civilian version and that it would be made stronger and "beefed up" in several areas. I would like to know if this is correct. I am going out on a limb here an say the rep. was full of it. Why would a company build a beefed up version and a "regular" version when the can just build the beefed up one in the first place. Both Rem's and Bushies will likely be machined on the same equipment. Have you ever heard of a company say "We built a .Mil version to bad ass standards, and then we build a rifle from recycled beer cans for you regular folk" Just from a logistics stand point I cant see where that would make sense. Like I said above, the military is very hard on their weapons. I know you have seen pictures of military weapons that are really abused. The military would need their weapon built stronger in certain areas, than what a civilian would need. |
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I've got a question: I was at the SWAT roundup in Orlando this week and spoke with the Remington sales rep. I asked him about the Remington/Bushmaster thing. (I recall that they were both bought by Cerberus, but did not think of this while speaking with him) He told me that Bushmaster would be making/selling the civilian version while Remington would be making/selling a military and law enforcement version. He went on to say that the Remington MIL/LE version would be built better than the civilian version and that it would be made stronger and "beefed up" in several areas. I would like to know if this is correct. I am going out on a limb here an say the rep. was full of it. Why would a company build a beefed up version and a "regular" version when the can just build the beefed up one in the first place. Both Rem's and Bushies will likely be machined on the same equipment. Have you ever heard of a company say "We built a .Mil version to bad ass standards, and then we build a rifle from recycled beer cans for you regular folk" Just from a logistics stand point I cant see where that would make sense. I agree, although Bushmaster is more likely to cut corners on QC. And there in lies the rub for me. I don't expect the civilian version to be krap but if it's not a milspec version with just some different internals then I'm out. I seriously doubt it's going to be milspec. |
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Making two different versions of the same product would cost TWICE as much in initial tooling costs. They will not do this, and this speculation is how rumors get started. Try and stick to facts please
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Got to shoot one today at the Fort Benning 3 Gun match that was supressed and full auto. Watched a few dozen people run it and it seemed to be very reliable. They were rotating out 2 rifles between competitors. Adjustable stock was nice, was able to get it right where I wanted it. The tall quad rail I found a bit awkward to get a good grip on. There was a sling mount on the left side that made the problem worse. A VFG would have solved this problem but these guns weren't equipped with one.
There was a bit of gas blow back. I don't shoot a lot of supressed guns so I can't tell you relatively how bad it was but I noticed it. The recoil was quite a bit more than an AR. I switched right from the ACR to my match AR and was checking the target for holes because I thought I might have had a squib the recoil was so much less, but my AR was shooting fine and I did well on the stage. Was shooting at very close range so I can't comment on accuracy. Seemed to be a very nice rifle and I thank Remington for sponsoring the stage and letting me shoot it. |
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Got tired of waiting. Came across a Scar and it went home with me. If the ACR ever comes out, I'll have to make up my mind with either a Scar H or the ACR.
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Like I said above, the military is very hard on their weapons. I know you have seen pictures of military weapons that are really abused. The military would need their weapon built stronger in certain areas, than what a civilian would need. Not this civilian. I'm pretty darn hard on my gear and train with it fairly regularly. I want my weapons to be as tough as possible (within reason). If they're going to try to pass off a less sturdy version to the civi market then I'll pass on it altogether. |
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Got tired of waiting. Came across a Scar and it went home with me. If the ACR ever comes out, I'll have to make up my mind with either a Scar H or the ACR. Kind of like spanking the monkey before sex? |
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Got tired of waiting. Came across a Scar and it went home with me. If the ACR ever comes out, I'll have to make up my mind with either a Scar H or the ACR. Kind of like spanking the monkey before sex? |
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Congratulations on the SCAR!!
Once the ACR is released I'll be eagerly waiting reports about how the civilian version is different than the milspec. Truth be told I'd rather have one stamped by Remington if LE versions become available to the public sector. But I'll take a Bushmaster if the only difference is select fire. Otherwise, it will be the SCAR for me as a consolation. But I will wait until ACR is on the market and well reviewed. |
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And this, boys and girls, is how rumors are perpetuated.
Kind of like the old, GMC trucks are the same as Chevy trucks except the frame is two-thousands of an inch thicker. . . |
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If you guys think for one second Magpul would let their civilian version be any less quality than it's military counterpart....
Well I have some beachfront property in Montana I'd like to sell you. |
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If you guys think for one second Magpul would let their civilian version be any less quality than it's military counterpart.... Well I have some beachfront property in Montana I'd like to sell you. This was my thought, too. Oh, well, the rumor has been started. It will be heard in a gun show Monday and become fact on Tuesday. |
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...I was at the SWAT roundup in Orlando this week and spoke with the Remington sales rep... I say the rep was pulling your leg, plus, at that SWAT event, he is/was trying to sell/pimp the mil/le version. Plus, not all LE wants select fire guns, semi will be an option. Maybe alternate handguards at first, but i would say mil/civ will be almost the same. |
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I heard Bushmaster just started full production & when the civilian model is released, it'll be considerably less than the FN SCAR. Like between $1200 & $1400. Thinking by late Spring/Summer. I'd love to have one but still can't afford with my new car.
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If Bushmaster is truly in production, that means that maybe around this time next year I'll be ordering one after all you guys finish beta testing them. By then they might have the version with removable pistol grips...
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If Bushmaster is truly in production, that means that maybe around this time next year I'll be ordering one after all you guys finish beta testing them. By then they might have the version with removable pistol grips... Because everyone will want to shoot their ACR without the pistol grip . . . |
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Because everyone will want to shoot their ACR without the pistol grip . . .
You read my mind, getting out the tinfoil. So's I can put on my tango down grip silly! I don't like the modular magpul style grip. As far as the mil/civilian version... I'm thinking the LEO/MIL version will have MPI bolts, cold hammer forged barrels, chrome chambers and bores, etc... Most of those items will be contracted out so the tooling up for different versions doesn't factor in. They are more expensive to produce/contract out so the LEO/MIL version will cost more. Just my .02 |
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those video's are awesome! i have a feeling that there will be a ton of info at SHOT this year. I really look forward to the ACR and i will purchase one for sure! thanks magpul!
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Nice Pics I haven't seen any really up close shots of the ACR like this before
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between all the new info, these vids, & MW2, I can wait to FINALLY get my grubby paws on one. Need to see more pics/ vids of the ACR in Black!!!!!
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I wonder why they keep bouncing between carbine and midlength gas systems. They should make the rail longer if they're going to use midlength. The only reason for an exposed gas block is when it has a sight tower attached. Otherwise it's only good for skin brands and damage from outside forces.
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Man... This guns is going to be a must have!
It will make a great cabin gun. |
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I can't wait to see an MSRP, what the standard configurations are going to be, and the warranty also. All signs seem to be pointing to shot show for all of the good info.
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Awesome videos.... they pretty much show everything. I can't wait until I can get one of these rifles.
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