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Posted: 12/25/2017 10:05:16 AM EDT
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So I built a 6.5g with a Faxon barrel and it seems my rifle will shoot mediocre until the barrel is warm. I'm not sure as I haven't done any definitive testing, I have shot it mostly with temps at or below freezing.
My first 10-15 shots maybe 80-90% will be moa or less with the other shots doubling the group size. This is at a rate of 2-3 shots per minute. Then once the barrel is warm, not hot at all it will keep tight groups. I thought the barrel needed cleaned at first but when I start shooting tight groups after its warm I figured it didn't need it. The barrel extension to upper fit wasn't tight as in the barrel slide right into the upper. That said it wasn't wobbly, a little bigger and it would have needed pushed in. I was thinking about adding Loctite to the extension or a shim. Not sure, I have never had this issue with a cold barrel. I suppose it could even just be the barrel, or some weird harmonics when its cold. For example I was shooting steel at 530m and with the first 9 rounds I missed a 16inch gong 3 times. I let my nephew take a few shots then I proceed to hit the 16inch gong twice towards the middle. I then move over to a smaller 9.6x20 silhouette and shoot a 4.5inch 5 shot group. Maybe its just me, the biggest variable. I haven't been shooting as much lately and I know a semi will really expose fundamental errors in technique. Any input? Jeff |
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You know the Faxon Grendel I put together for my brother for Christmas so far has shown similar characteristics.
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Is the barrel fluted?
I have a Brownells 24" barrel on my Grendel and can shoot a 30 shot string with out issue. Though as with all my rifles, I warm them up first then keep them around a certain warm temp for the duration. I monitor with an IR thermometer. |
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Originally Posted By popnfresh:
Is the barrel fluted? I have a Brownells 24" barrel on my Grendel and can shoot a 30 shot string with out issue. Though as with all my rifles, I warm them up first then keep them around a certain warm temp for the duration. I monitor with an IR thermometer. View Quote The barrel did not even reach a lukewarm temp on this session. I need a warm day to see if this issue occurs. I shot once around 65-70 and another around 40 but both of those range sessions I was having issues with my Vortex HST. Also at 1100yards it could have been me/wind except the 1mil low shot. That's where the lab radar would come in handy, but since I don't know how fast it was going I can't tell. |
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Originally Posted By bill3508: 18" Gunner. Hoping it's going to settle down some with more rounds through it. Barrel extension is bedded already with 620. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By ARShooter91: So you went all out with the high strength stuff I see. Definitely try cleaning the barrel good within the first few hundred rounds. Mine needed a break in period for sure. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By bill3508: I've bedded nearly all my rifles with it. Even pulled the Larue Grendel apart and bedded it. It's perfect for the application. Will take a torch to remove though. View Quote |
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I use a shim set I got from amazon. Takes a hammer on a sacrificial muzzle device to install when done right. No torch on aluminum to get it off - a scary proposition any day.
A warm barrel Shooting well is odd. A warm barrel will have a bunch of characteristics that change when warm - and if that is enough to push your accuracy to some strange place I don’t thing anything but replacing it is likely to help. Odd question. - are you running an AAC can? |
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Originally Posted By vectorsc:
I use a shim set I got from amazon. Takes a hammer on a sacrificial muzzle device to install when done right. No torch on aluminum to get it off - a scary proposition any day. A warm barrel Shooting well is odd. A warm barrel will have a bunch of characteristics that change when warm - and if that is enough to push your accuracy to some strange place I don’t thing anything but replacing it is likely to help. Odd question. - are you running an AAC can? View Quote |
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Do you clean thoroughly the bore after every range trip? Most barrels shoot like asshole for some number of rounds after cleaning. Overcleaning is a real concern with precision barrels.
Another thing you could try - find an indoor shooting range. |
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Originally Posted By vectorsc:
Do you clean thoroughly the bore after every range trip? Most barrels shoot like asshole for some number of rounds after cleaning. Overcleaning is a real concern with precision barrels. Another thing you could try - find an indoor shooting range. View Quote I bedded the barrel last night so I'll shoot it again Thursday morning once it has cured. |
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Originally Posted By vectorsc:
Do you clean thoroughly the bore after every range trip? Most barrels shoot like asshole for some number of rounds after cleaning. Overcleaning is a real concern with precision barrels. Another thing you could try - find an indoor shooting range. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By vectorsc:
I use a shim set I got from amazon. Takes a hammer on a sacrificial muzzle device to install when done right. No torch on aluminum to get it off - a scary proposition any day. A warm barrel Shooting well is odd. A warm barrel will have a bunch of characteristics that change when warm - and if that is enough to push your accuracy to some strange place I don’t thing anything but replacing it is likely to help. Odd question. - are you running an AAC can? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By bill3508: Too humid in the South no to clean regularly. I know he's not but for those that are you will end up with rust if your not thorough with cleaning. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By ARShooter91: That's why I got the Faxon. So I don't have to keep up on it too much and not worry about corrosion. It is very humid here most of the year, with some dryer weather in the winter. View Quote |
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I have taken the Grendel out some more in this warmer weather we have had and determined this barrel just doesn't shoot well once it starts getting hot. I mean 1-9rd mag shot cold bore in a few minutes my last couple of shots start to wonder. I can get 5 or 6 accurate, precise shots before it gets crazy.
If I let it cool a few minutes between shots it shoots great. I am quite disappointed it shoots like that and am selling it to a friend dirt cheap(he is aware of the history of this barrel) He reloads so maybe he can work something up for it. My .308 Tikka on the other hand was still shooting a tad under moa at 100m with a barrel almost too hot to touch. |
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Its likely inherent to the profile of the barrel, which is why for my precision/bench rest gun, I switched to a fat Wilson bull barrel. No more heat/POI problems.
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Originally Posted By MarkL1:
Its likely inherent to the profile of the barrel, which is why for my precision/bench rest gun, I switched to a fat Wilson bull barrel. No more heat/POI problems. View Quote |
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Yep. If you want consistently tight groups round after round, you likely need to switch to a heavy barrel. You wont be disappointed.
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