1 MOA ALL DAY LONG

Alright guys and girls, to time hit the range again.

Thanks to the previous folks that worked on this in the past  Stantonizm, ARFCOM originator  BillyDoubleU and to the Sniper's Hide originator.

Old threads

Akethan's 2013-2014  GD Thread

Stantonizm's

2013   MOA Thread

BillyDoubleU's

2012  Original ARFCOM thread

ARFcom MOA history

This is the Official “How Good Are You” thread of AR15.com

What is it? It’s a challenge to all to prove how good you really are with a rifle! Not sometimes but consistently.

Keep it simple 5 shot groups, 5 groups per target

1 MOA = 100 Yards = 1.047"
––––––––-50 Yards = 0.5235"
––––––––-25 Yards = 0.26175"

Top 25 for each division

Separate list of 1 MOA shooters and a separate list for .5 MOA shooters.

REMEMBER this, all 5 groups of 5 shots must AVERAGE 1 MOA to make the list and claim the title of being a 1 MOA shooter.

Doing one .99" group and four 1.5" groups does not equal a 1 MOA shooter, it means you got lucky once and you are a 1.398 MOA shooter (assuming a 100 yard target)

This is a challenge but don't be afraid to try it out and post, every possible rifle style has been listed with a category and a distance. It's all in good fun and to be honest about your abilities.

With that in mind here are the rules.

1. ONE sheet of paper, 8.5”x11” preferred and it MUST HAVE ALL 5 targets.

Meaning 1 sheet of paper with FIVE targets. NO INDIVIDUAL TARGETS. THEY WILL NOT COUNT.

2. On that 1 sheet of paper with 5 targets you shoot 5 groups of 5 shots each. (In one day)

3. Each group is measured OUTSIDE GREASE RING TO OUTSIDE GREASE RING with calipers (preferred) or tape rule in inches. Then subtract the diameter of one bullet IE if your shooting a .223 and your 5 shot group measures 1.13" you will subtract 0.224" to get a group of 0.906". If you are shooting a .22lr you will subtract 0.223", for a 308 you will subtract 0.308" (Remember- the more precise your measurement the better)

Some common measurements:
.172" - .17 HMR
.223" - .22 Short, Long, Long Rifle
.224" - .223 Remington, .22 WMR, .22 Hornet
.243" - .243 Winchester
.284" - 7mm-08 Remington, 7mm Mag
.308" - .308 Winchester, .30-06, .300 Mag
.311" - 7.62x39 Soviet, .303 British
.338" - .338 Mag

4. NO MECHANICAL REST/SLED, NO VICE OR SIMILAR DEVICE THAT SUPPORTS THE ENITRE RIFLE, NO SHOOTING JACKETS, NO STRAPPING THE GUN INTO ANYTHING, NO LARGE REAR SANDBAG ** OR REST. SHOOTER MUST HAVE POSITIVE CONTROL OF RIFLE.

THE POINT IS TO SEE HOW GOOD YOU SHOOT, NOT HOW WELL YOU CAN MOUNT IT IN A MACHINE.

5. OK TO USE sandbag, rest, ruck, bipod, rock with a hat, sling etc. on forearm of the rifle.

**Will be OK to use a small rear sandbag (ie: sand sock or squeeze bag) or bean bag  that must require constant hand pressure to maintain hold on target.

IE. Can NOT sandbag gun in place. Shooter must maintain positive control of rifle. No formed or V-shaped rests/bags

Some approved bags

Triad Red Tac

Triad Wedgie

CrossTac Squeeze bag

Accuracy First shooting bag

*** After much gnashing of the teeth we'll set the limit of size at the largest bag on the list which is 96 C.I.  Try to stay at or below this.

But remember that there must be constant hand pressure to maintain hold on target.

IE. Can NOT sandbag gun in place. Shooter must maintain positive control of rifle. No formed or V-shaped rests/bags. I'm sure someone will IM me or bitch about this but I can't make everyone happy. Have Fun!

6. Shooting position is up to you, sitting, standing, prone.

7. Posting:

1st picture of target set at the range you are shooting. If you are shooting more than one rifle at the same range using the same pic is okay.

2nd picture with 5 groups of 5 shots each, next to them write down group size.

3rd picture with calipers (or tape rule) left in place over BEST group.

4th picture of rifle and shooting setup (ie. Sandbag, prone and so on). Post all4 pics and also type in the post your 5 group sizes and what the average is. IE. .99”, 1.5”, 1.5”, 1.5”, 1.5” add them up, equals 6.99” and divide by five. So 6.99/5 = 1.398”

You can use the MOA formula, either way I will check the math and post the MOA on the result list.

For those of you who would like to use ontarget,   http://ontargetshooting.com/

Also type up specs of your rifle and ammo IE. Rem 700 with 168gr Federal SMK or Colt AR15 18" with Wolf 55gr FMJ or AK with 125gr Hand Loads PLEASE INCLUDE AMMO USED

*** Please include result at the end of your post in the final format:

Division you wish to be listed under with range, User_Name: Rifle Manufacturer and caliber - notable customizations- Scope- Ammo. Groups: 1"/2"/3"/4"/5" = avg. 3" = .287 MOA

If you do not post in this format or leave anything out your post will not be included.

8. In each division you can only have your name up once per gun. Meaning that if you shoot the Iron Sight 22lr with your 10/22 and average a 1.65” group and lets say place 4th. If you use that same gun and do worse, even if you would place better then someone else it will not count for your group. Best group counts.

Now if you then shoot Iron Sight 22lr with your M&P 15-22 and shoot better, say 1.25” average groups and place 2nd. Both that score and the 10/22 score will remain. Different guns will be allowed for different group rankings within a division. Best group counts.

This also goes for the 1 MOA list. Meaning only your best MOA will be ranked on the 1 MOA list BUT if you also shoot 1 MOA or less with a different rifle, that will also count and your name will be added to the list for each different rifle you shoot 1 MOA or less with.

9. Remember, this is NOT a Bullseye challenge, it's a Groups challenge.

10. Any and all ammo is fine I don't care if you use Factory loads or your super secret Hand Load that Moses gave you.

11. Ties in average will go to the shooter with the smallest group.

Service Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A1 etc style weapons)
Iron sights at 50 yards

Non-Magnified Optic at 50 yards

SPR Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A etc WITH magnified optics) **See rule 5
100 yards

Bolt Division with magnified optics (any precision gun) ** See rule 5
100 yards

And for cheapness a 22lr Division

Any 22lr rifle with iron sights at 25 yards

Any 22lr rifle with non-magnified optic at 50 yards

Any 22lr rifle with magnified optic at 50 yards

Any 22lr rifle with magnified optic at 100 yards

Misc Small Bore Division
Any .17HMR/.17HM2/.17Fireball/.22WMR/.22 Hornet etc etc etc with any sighting system (Irons/nonmagnified/magnified) at 100 yards **See Rule 5

Unlimited Division
Catch-all class for anyone wishing to use a lead-sled, large sandbag set-up, or other assisting device prohibited from the other classes. 50yd minimum for non magnified optic rifles and 100 yd minimum for magnified optics of all calibers. Does not qualify you for MOA shooter list, but will be recognized as an MOA rifle owner. Further more if you have shot the same setup and are listed in a class you will not be eligible for unlimited. Let's not turn this into a full blown bench rest shoot.

Click to download target
Downloadable target

Small BFL Target

Modified 1MOA All Day Target MUAD hosted

ARFcom BFL w/grid target  LaRue hosted.

MOA formula

How many MOA equal 2 inches at 200 yards?
(inches / yards) x 100 = MOA
(2 inches / 200 yards) x 100 = 1 MOA

This is for those that want to put up an honest effort and show what they can do!

If you post a placeholder for a future attempt, be sure and notify me if you are not updated!

If entries start coming in and you post your results back on an earlier page, I might miss it if you don't point it out.

OK, CORRECTION TO MY EARLIER ENTRY...when I did the target software calculations I was careful and edged on being conservative, but in any case (just to be sure) I went ahead and removed the target software measurements image and included individual close-up pictures of each group measured by hand, and reposted my entry below. Score actually improved from 0.717MOA to 0.713MOA.

Picture 1: Range at 100 yards
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Picture 2a: Original Target with 5 groups (errors were pointed out)
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Picture 2b: Original Target with 5 groups (one with Calipers and one without)
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Picture 3a (Top Left Group): pic with caliper (NOT adjusted for bullet size reduction)
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Picture 3b (Top Right Group): pic with caliper (NOT adjusted for bullet size reduction)
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Picture 3c (Middle Group): pic with caliper (NOT adjusted for bullet size reduction)
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Picture 3d (Bottom Left Group): pic with caliper (NOT adjusted for bullet size reduction)
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Picture 3e (Bottom Right Group): pic with caliper (NOT adjusted for bullet size reduction)
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Picture 4: Picture of rifle as shot with Bipod and Rear Bag
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Bolt Division with magnified optics (any precision gun) at 100 yards; newBMowner: Savage Stealth, 22” 6.5CM, Vortex Viper PST 4-16x SFP, Harris Bipod, 140gr Hornady BTHP Handloads, Groups: 0.562"/1.021"/0.770"/0.732"/.671" = avg. 0.751" = 0.717 MOA

Groups: 1.074"/0.791"/0.562"/0.672"/0.636" = avg. 0.747" = 0.713MOA

Also if anyone cares...there appears to be a math error in the bolt gun division on current place holder #40 (jKohntrol_Solutions).  The sum of the groups was correctly stated as 3.855", which when divided by 5 is 0.771", and not 0.750" as shown...this would change the MOA value for that entry from 0.717 to 0.736 (and de-conflict a tie that exists at 0.717...prior to my corrected entry above my average was also 0.717MOA...which is why I was looking.)

Target


Best Group


Rifle/Bags


Target pic/As shot w/ suppressor


Bolt Division, SuperJLarge: LRI 260. NF ATACR 5-25x56, R700, bartlein M24 contour, Manners T4A, sierra 142smk handloads, h4350, lapua brass, Fed210M primers, SAS Ti Reaper suppressor
Groups: 0.664", 0.539", 0.538", 0.510", 0.476" = 0.545" /1.047= 0.520 MOA

sorry hun forgot to do the selfie.  Doesn't count.

Should I shave my beard first?

A man that would shave his beard for a woman deserves neither.

My apologies; I didn’t realize you were a woman.

Honest mistake....ppl make them all the time.

Went to range to sight in after installing new rings and trigger on my Christensen MPR. Only brought 15 rounds of handloads, but decided to round it out with Hornady ELD Match factory ammo. I'm pretty happy with it considering its a hunting gun weighing under 10 pounds including optic.

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Bolt Division at 100 yards; Lennyo3034: Christensen MPR 6.5CM, Huber trigger, Bushnell LRHS
Groups: .513",.829", .351", .539", .374"= .521" average = .498 MOA.

Would have been well under half if weren't for the shot in the top right group. I called a good shot on that one so I don't know what happened there.

I'm guessing, but just post some Siete goodness already...

Picture 1: Range at 100yards
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Picture 2: Target with 5 groups
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Picture 3: Full shot with caliper (NOT adjusted for bullet size reduction)
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Picture 4: Picture of rifle as shot with Bipod and Rear Bag
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SPR Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A etc WITH magnified optics) at 100 yards;
newBMowner: Home Built, 18” Spike’s Lothar Walther .223 Wylde, Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14x w/Aero Ultralight Mount, Geissele S3G, Harris Bipod, PRS Stock, 77gr SMK over 22.6gr Varget
Groups: 0.775", 0.386”, 0.734”, 0.812”, and 0.860” = avg. 0.713" = 0.681 MOA  (***NOTE: This is an improvement to my earlier entry for this rifle on Page 25***)

Do you notice much for mirage shift with the suppressor?  What cover are you using and does it seem to help with heat dissipation or only as a protection against touching the hot can?

I'll beat AKETHAN to the punch and re-direct this question (along with my answer) over to the discussion thread...
MOA Discussion Thread

Bergara B14 HMR 6.5 Creedmoor
Hornady Precision Hunter 143g ELD-X
.89 MOA ALL DAY

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If you read the rules and posted as such as well as you shoot it would be an entry.

I have one where I did better, but alas your rules, which ive read now.

First time entry!
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Back yard range. If it'd ever quit raining for more than two days I'd cut the hay.
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All shots were taken sitting in the chair with the bipod on the blocks. I really need to reshoot this prone.
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As shot before taking the target down.
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The written numbers on the target are non-adjusted measurements.
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The numbers below subtract out the .264 bullet dia. Please check my math.

Bolt Division with magnified optics - NotUrLawyer - Ruger RPR 6.5 Creedmoor - stock+bipod - Vortex PST Gen2 5-25x50 - Hornady American Gunner 140 gr. BTHP - 1.483 / 2.072 / 1.206 / 1.800 / 1.481 = Avg. 1.608 = 1.536 MOA

1st entry bolt division, 1st bolt gun.  Ruger RPR 223/556.  Vortex HST 6x24, Seekins rings, Larue Apeg grip, harris bipod.  Australian Outback .223.  Homemade squeeze sock.  Older, always shot pistol, semi auto, shotgun, having acquired a variety of replacement parts over the past few years, figured time to lay down.  Unfortunately lost my concentration/focus on the last group, bottom right.   Will hopefully do better as I get this figured out.   .691 MOA

Range @ 100 yds


Target on board (paper over previous holes, 1 seen on left side, not a miss)


Setup


Target w/groups


Best group

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Picrure 4
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Bolt Divison with magnified optics
Orange Gun Club
Badass03
Ruger American Predator 6.5 Creedmoor
Athlon Argos 6x24
Harris Bipod
Boyds Stock
Hornady Precision Hunter 143grn ELD-X
.887, .599, 1.014, .635, .761=3.896/5=.779" average=.744moa

ETA: score format

Im glad this poor showing didnt stand, I did much better

@BIgDAM

Wait till you get informed of the rear bag restrictions....

Calculation format is still off just a bit as well, but you’re making progress.

Nice.

Here's my submission. I'd like to compete in the SPR division.

Edit: Please take me off the "claim" board. That said, my quote was in reference to a different rifle, and I do have a 700 SPS varmint in .223 that shoots insane groups for a factory gun. I'll dust it off some other time to backup those claims.

1.) Photo of the target posted @ 100 yards:


2.) Photos of the target with group sizes posted:


3.) Best 5-shot group:


4.) Rifle Setup:


Average CTC Group: .780"
MOA: .7448 ~ rounded to .745

Info:
SPR Division / 100 yards/ SuperDutyMikeMc / YHM lower (franken-AR) / .223 / 18" Larue Stealth Barrel / Viper PSTG1 SFP 6-24x50 /SiCo Omega Suppressor / Atlas Bipod / 69GR TMK over 23.1 8208XBR @ 2704FPS / Groups: .282 / .869 / 1.409 / .485 / .856 = Avg .780" = .745 MOA

SuperDutyMikeMc, what rear bag is that?

It's just a 6"x 4" bean bag filled with play sand.

Edit: I believe it conforms to the rules; it's not even my bag. I only own "eared" rear bags, so just used one from the range.

Here's a photo of the range, and 3 of the bags stacked on top of each-other; most shooters I see at the range stack 4-5 of them to create a front rest.

Lots of new qualifying entries, no updated lists?

I'm going to throw this out and ask for a decision of the judges.  

I was testing some differing length OALs yesterday not thinking about the MOA challenge and ended up with some darn good groups. Problem is I didn't use a single target, I used my usual target board with multiples.

Defender 3, SPR Division, LaRue .260 Remington with Vortex 4.5-27 and suppressed with a LaRue TranQuilo. Hornady 130gr ELD-M (with differing OALs and thus the different POIs) at 100 yards using a triad rear bag and Atlas bipod: 0.412, 0.517, 0.533, 0.497 and 0.769 = 2.728/5 = 0.5456MOA.









Target board I usually use for 100y.

Has to be on one piece of paper.

Badass you still need to fix your post.

Mine are all on one target, what needs to be fixed?

@akethan

.887, .599, 1.014, .635, .761=3.896/5=.779" average=.744moa

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That's one target.

I'd vote give it to him. Especially since his one group on seperate paper is by far his worst group.

One piece of paper aside, with those 2 Large rear bags...I wouldn’t. That’s about as bagged in as it gets.

Don't worry guys, I'll just re-shoot it on one target.

And what's wrong with that?

Correct.

Copy pasted

Alright, I went back and re-shot the challenge using an approved Accuracy International rear bag. Being currently unemployed at least has the advantage of allowing more range time!  I went to the IWLA range in Stafford. It was a nice 74 degrees and 60% humidity with bright sun and no wind.

There are a few more pictures since I screwed up last trip.

The target board at the firing line:



The targets at the 100 yard line:



A view back to the firing line:



The rifle setup used with the AI rear bag. Please note the second AI bag is what I use to rest my elbow since I shoot from the far edge of the mat, it was not used to support the rifle.



The five strings on one target:



A closer view:



The OnTarget assessment:



If anyone has a question or needs clarification, throw it in the discussion thread or drop me an IM.

SPR Divison, Defender3, LaRue Tactical PredatOBR in .260 Remington, Vortex Razor 4.5-27, Hornady Factory 130gr ELD-M, Atlas Bipod, AI rear bag, Groups per OnTarget: 0.620; 0.442; 0.876; 0.504 and 0.507 = 2.949/5 = 589.8 MOA.

ETA - SuperJLarge noted the OT program was set to Meters instead of yards, so I ran the calculations again.  I'm keeping the original data, but adding the corrections here.

New OnTarget calculations using yards:



SPR Divison, Defender3, LaRue Tactical PredatOBR in .260 Remington, Vortex Razor 4.5-27, Hornady Factory 130gr ELD-M, Atlas Bipod, AI rear bag, Groups per OnTarget: 0.664; 0.477; 0.923; 0.539 and 0.538 = 3.141/5 = 0.628MOA.

Nice shooting Defender!

May need to rescore that target though. Your ontarget software is measuring for 100m but you said you shot at 100yds. Won’t affect much, but when you’ve got a top 15 submission it probably needs to be as precise as the weapon you used to get it!

Holy cow, didn't even notice that - thanks!  I'll redo the OT calculations and replace the picture and entry.

Range at 100 yds:


Rifle as shot:


Target alone:


Software measurement:


My caliper's battery died, is it necessary to redundantly post that as well as the above software target?

Bolt Division, hfrog355: Savage Model 12 LRP - 6.5 Creedmoor. Vortex PST 4-16x50, SMK 142gr, H4350.
Groups: 0.92", 1.19", 1.22", 0.56", 0.86" = 4.55"/5 = 0.95" /1.047= 0.9073 MOA

No need. You're good.

Did some load development with my new Ruger Precision Rifle, and figured I would do the challenge at the same time.  So each of the groups shown is with a different powder charge.  Of course it started to rain pretty hard right about when it was time to put out the targets.

Bolt Division. Range is 100 yards.  Ruger Precision Rifle.  6.5 Creedmoor, 140gr ELD-M, H4350, WLR primers, Hornady once fired brass.









0.884"/0.513"/0.484"/0.500"/0.483"  Average 0.572" / .546 MOA

Is that a bowling ball bag?

5.11 IFAK pouch that I put some beads in.  I tried a couple years ago to make a few different bags, but none worked the way I wanted.  If I want it tall, I can use the MOLLE strap to wrap my hand in while I squeeze.  If I want it short or medium, I have that option too.  It collapses down under the rifle weight, but gives me enough height when I squeeze to allow me to use a 20-round PMAG with the 6.5 or a 30-round mag with 5.56 without it hitting the deck, which is why I use it.