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Posted: 5/8/2019 8:04:55 AM EDT
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Says the serial killer about to launch a spree..../jk
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Posted: 5/8/2019 8:09:48 AM EDT
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Really dude .....
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Posted: 5/8/2019 8:59:24 AM EDT
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Says the serial killer about to launch a spree..../jk  Uline has several to choose from. ETA: Faraday Defense is also GTG. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 9:33:01 AM EDT
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Really dude ..... |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 9:33:09 AM EDT
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The "off" button works pretty well for me. No bag required.
Unless you're the tinfoil hat-type that believes your phone can still be tracked and is never truly off. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 9:46:03 AM EDT
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The "off" button works pretty well for me. No bag required. Unless you're the tinfoil hat-type that believes your phone can still be tracked and is never truly off. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 9:57:06 AM EDT
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Would a potato chip bag work, saw it on a movie once. I know Arfcommers got chip bags somewhere.
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Posted: 5/8/2019 9:59:39 AM EDT
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Would that not just be a heavy mylar bag?
You do pack emergency food in mylar, so you have extras around I assume 
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Posted: 5/8/2019 10:05:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're entitled to your own opinion. Mine is that you are wrong. Otherwise, take your paranoid delusions elsewhere. And to the OP - best to just leave your phone at home if you're going to do crime. We had a string of three bank robberies in my area, and the thief was nailed via cell records. Only one phone was pinging the three towers closest to the three banks at the time they were robbed. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 10:16:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Show me proof, utilizing actual equipment, that a turned off smart phone is still emitting a signal or EM radiation. Otherwise, take your paranoid delusions elsewhere. And to the OP - best to just leave your phone at home if you're going to do crime. We had a string of three bank robberies in my area, and the thief was nailed via cell records. Only one phone was pinging the three towers closest to the three banks at the time they were robbed. If you even look, it’s out there. This stuff won’t do well in the light so it’s not widely known. Just because “find friends” app doesn’t work when it’s “off” isn’t proof the phone isn’t trackable. This isn’t tin foil or whatever derogatory term you want to use. Edit. When the smoking gun is made public, it’ll be an Assange level. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 10:38:45 AM EDT
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Can anyone here reccomend a great FARADAY bag that actually works! That actually blocks all cell signals. 100 copper Mesh I took a 12"×12" section of 100 copper wire mesh and folded it in half and used 3M EMI Tin-plated copper foil shielding tape (PN 1183) to join the seams. That tape isnt cheap BTW, and may not truly be necessary. We had a roll in the lab so I used it :) Slipped my smart phone in the pouch with the screen on, folded the last flap shut twice over, and opened the signal strength settings menu. Dropped to -120dBM and had a X in the signal icon within 15 seconds. (100 mesh is see-thru like a window screen, on much finer material) |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 10:48:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is he trying to sell you something? Why should he offer you proof? If you even look, it’s out there. This stuff won’t do well in the light so it’s not widely known. Just because “find friends” app doesn’t work when it’s “off” isn’t proof the phone isn’t trackable. This isn’t tin foil or whatever derogatory term you want to use. Edit. When the smoking gun is made public, it’ll be an Assange level. So now we delve into the dark world of conspiracies. Can we agree that just about every adult has a smart phone? And maybe, just maybe, some of those people might have access to RF/EM measuring equipment, and maybe, just maybe, they might just experiment on their phone, and maybe, just maybe, post a video of their "off" smartphone registering EM/RF on a meter? Or is it just such an overarching conspiracy that any videos showing this are squelched before they see the light of day? So which is more likely?: 1) no one has ever experimented on their phone, or that people have and the videos have been squelched, and any and all posts describing such behavior have also been squelched anywhere and everywhere 2) "off" means off |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 10:55:29 AM EDT
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I've done many phone pings at work (LE) both emergency related as well as search warrant authorized pings for locating a cell phone. You cannot ping a cell phone that is turned off. You can get last known location where it pinged off a tower if it's off but that's it.
I remember a homicide suspect we had a warrant to ping his phone. We were getting nothing so had it set to ping it every 15 mins. All of a sudden we got a hit on it. Found him a couple mins later walking down the street. I interviewed him and when talking about his phone, he told me his phone was shut off and charging while he slept. He woke up, got high on meth, then turned his phone on to check Facebook. We got him about 20 mins later. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 10:57:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:36:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want proof because that poster is making an ridiculous and illogical claim. If I say the sky is blue (the generally accepted wisdom), and you say the sky is purple with pink polka dots (an off-the-wall assertion), I think it is incumbent on you to provide proof of your outlandish claim. Ditto with claiming "off" means "on." So now we delve into the dark world of conspiracies. Can we agree that just about every adult has a smart phone? And maybe, just maybe, some of those people might have access to RF/EM measuring equipment, and maybe, just maybe, they might just experiment on their phone, and maybe, just maybe, post a video of their "off" smartphone registering EM/RF on a meter? Or is it just such an overarching conspiracy that any videos showing this are squelched before they see the light of day? So which is more likely?: 1) no one has ever experimented on their phone, or that people have and the videos have been squelched, and any and all posts describing such behavior have also been squelched anywhere and everywhere 2) "off" means off |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:41:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/8/2019 11:42:16 AM EDT
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I've done many phone pings at work (LE) both emergency related as well as search warrant authorized pings for locating a cell phone. You cannot ping a cell phone that is turned off. You can get last known location where it pinged off a tower if it's off but that's it. I remember a homicide suspect we had a warrant to ping his phone. We were getting nothing so had it set to ping it every 15 mins. All of a sudden we got a hit on it. Found him a couple mins later walking down the street. I interviewed him and when talking about his phone, he told me his phone was shut off and charging while he slept. He woke up, got high on meth, then turned his phone on to check Facebook. We got him about 20 mins later.  ETA: Wasn't the deal that the phone can still get its GPS location when "off" and then reports that to Google/apps when it turns back "on"? Because you only receive GPS signals, you don't transmit? |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 12:35:58 PM EDT
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Lots of GD being brought into this forum again. Not sure why people dont just answer the question. Leave all the negativity out of here.
To the question. Just google faraday cell phone cases. You will see many that you can buy. I’d also look into a wallet that stops rf so people can’t steal your credit card info. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 12:59:25 PM EDT
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I have several of these: Black Hole Bag. I have had people who say they don't work put their iPhone inside and call their cell number using my office landline. Never rings.
If you put your phone in it for any time you need to turn it off so the battery doesn't die from its attempts to do nefarious stuff and being unable. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 1:18:46 PM EDT
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i've gotten amber alert messages while my phone is off and with it set to airplane mode (which supposedly means no data in and out). So a faraday bag isn't a bad idea
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:27:49 PM EDT
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I’m
Just looking for anyone that has bought one, if it works what is the brand . |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 5:44:57 PM EDT
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Wouldn’t this work? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/421435/5493D851-34C4-478E-AEC7-69A478801F8A_jpeg-938519.JPG |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 5:51:58 PM EDT
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This! Simplest and cheapest solution for a small item. Any Mylar bags work as well and I bet a coffee Mylar bag would work as long as you put aluminum tape on the plastic breathing plug. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wouldn’t this work? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/421435/5493D851-34C4-478E-AEC7-69A478801F8A_jpeg-938519.JPG https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aMct99DiZak |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 7:09:54 PM EDT
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Phones can be pinged to life by remote.
This is a real thing, it has been used. Does your local PD have the ability? Almost assuredly no. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 7:46:10 PM EDT
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If it has a battery in it - whether on or off - it is a zombie and can be awaken!! The other option is to remove the battery. Some are easier than others.
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Posted: 5/9/2019 9:05:12 AM EDT
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FWIW, I have a friend whose wife is a naturalized US Citizen. When she was going back to the Phillipines to visit relatives in 2014, he told her to turn off her cell phone to keep from racking up the charges. She did so.
Apparently, her phone would "wake up" every so often to ping the cell tower. He only found out that was going on when he got a high international roaming bill and called to figure out why the bill was high when she didn't make any calls. If it was me, i'd pull the battery. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 9:49:58 AM EDT
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I track bad guys cell phones for work.
Phones that are turned off don't track. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 12:00:14 PM EDT
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FWIW, I have a friend whose wife is a naturalized US Citizen. When she was going back to the Phillipines to visit relatives in 2014, he told her to turn off her cell phone to keep from racking up the charges. She did so. Apparently, her phone would "wake up" every so often to ping the cell tower. He only found out that was going on when he got a high international roaming bill and called to figure out why the bill was high and she didn't make any calls. If it was me, i'd pull the battery. OR Maybe that is so you can't pull the battery to prevent the spyware from working
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Posted: 5/9/2019 1:26:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2019 1:54:20 PM EDT
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I've done many phone pings at work (LE) both emergency related as well as search warrant authorized pings for locating a cell phone. You cannot ping a cell phone that is turned off. For example, airplane mode on an iPhone no longer means the phone is not transmitting. It can still xmit/recv on WiFi and Bluetooth. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 5:13:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The issue is, is it really off or in some kind of low-power sleep mode where it is still xmit/recv every few seconds or minutes or something else? For example, airplane mode on an iPhone no longer means the phone is not transmitting. It can still xmit/recv on WiFi and Bluetooth. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 6:08:16 PM EDT
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Digital Forensics examiners use Faraday bags to contain cell phones all the time. Idea being once a phone is sized you want to isolate it from the network so it's not remotely wiped. Turning it off may result in several more issues though.
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Posted: 5/9/2019 6:32:53 PM EDT
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I know some older phones used to power on and update sms etc every 10 minets or so to stay up to date even when powered off by the user.
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:48:38 PM EDT
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In addition this guy is a Ph.D. Physicist and an authority on EMP. Great channel to subscribe to. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aMct99DiZak Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wouldn’t this work? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/421435/5493D851-34C4-478E-AEC7-69A478801F8A_jpeg-938519.JPG https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aMct99DiZak BTW, Art is one of the authors on NASA's how-to guide for RFI/EMI reduction for space electronics. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:56:32 PM EDT
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Get an RF detector and find out. A cell phone that is turned off can't be tracked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The issue is, is it really off or in some kind of low-power sleep mode where it is still xmit/recv every few seconds or minutes or something else? For example, airplane mode on an iPhone no longer means the phone is not transmitting. It can still xmit/recv on WiFi and Bluetooth. I once had a .mil spook tell me that the only way to prevent your cell being tracked is to remove the battery. Even then, there are tricks you can play that may (or may not) be able to find you. Faraday bag makes it almost impossible either way. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:08:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some folks I'm aware of did that and yes, it can be tracked even when "off". Remember that the on/off button on the cell phone is a logic switch, not a physical power cut-off like the old days. Further, there supposedly is software that can be pushed to the phone without your knowledge that sends your location to a pre-determined IP address on a specific intermittent schedule. I have not used that software myself but I understand it is available and rumor has it that it was developed by the Israelis. I once had a .mil spook tell me that the only way to prevent your cell being tracked is to remove the battery. Even then, there are tricks you can play that may (or may not) be able to find you. Faraday bag makes it almost impossible either way. |
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Posted: 5/10/2019 12:22:37 AM EDT
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I've owned older Samsung Android smart phones that clearly were not off when shut off.
I know because if I plugged in a power cord to charge a phone that was off, I'd get an icon of the battery charging and bubbles floating to the top of the screen, which takes running a program and processor power to do. |
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Posted: 5/10/2019 1:35:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some folks I'm aware of did that and yes, it can be tracked even when "off". Remember that the on/off button on the cell phone is a logic switch, not a physical power cut-off like the old days. Further, there supposedly is software that can be pushed to the phone without your knowledge that sends your location to a pre-determined IP address on a specific intermittent schedule. I have not used that software myself but I understand it is available and rumor has it that it was developed by the Israelis. I once had a .mil spook tell me that the only way to prevent your cell being tracked is to remove the battery. Even then, there are tricks you can play that may (or may not) be able to find you. Faraday bag makes it almost impossible either way. A unmolested cell phone that is turned off cannot be tracked. |
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Posted: 5/10/2019 1:42:50 AM EDT
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Digital Forensics examiners use Faraday bags to contain cell phones all the time. Idea being once a phone is sized you want to isolate it from the network so it's not remotely wiped. Turning it off may result in several more issues though. |
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Posted: 5/10/2019 3:58:10 PM EDT
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Silent Pocket
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Posted: 5/10/2019 11:55:39 PM EDT
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The "off" button works pretty well for me. No bag required. Unless you're the tinfoil hat-type that believes your phone can still be tracked and is never truly off. |
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Posted: 5/11/2019 12:08:15 AM EDT
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Years ago I lost my cell phone while laying on the couch watching tv. I had it in my hand, got involved in the tv show, and suddenly couldn't find my phone. I got up and used my landline to call my cell, hoping to hear it ring, but it went straight to voicemail without even ringing once.
It turns out, as I laid there on the couch, my phone slipped off and landed inside a bag of chips on the floor. A aluminized mylar bag of chips. I learned that day how effective a simple bag can be. You could watch the signal strength go from 4 bars no NO SIGNAL just by putting it in the bag. |
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Posted: 5/27/2019 10:01:59 PM EDT
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The "off" button works pretty well for me. No bag required. Unless you're the tinfoil hat-type that believes your phone can still be tracked and is never truly off. Take from that what you will. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 9:04:36 PM EDT
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I track bad guys cell phones for work. Phones that are turned off don't track. 
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Posted: 5/30/2019 3:48:58 PM EDT
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http://mentalfloss.com/article/582214/how-to-disable-google-tracking
https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/how-facebook-tracks-you-even-when-youre-not-on-facebook/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2016/11/02/edward-snowden-warned-about-connected-devices-linked-to-huge-internet-outage/#5f66a9702a20 Removing the battery is the only assured method of disabling any kind of signal or tracking. Oddly enough, it is damn near impossible to remove a battery on most iPhones (and I would presume Samsung phones as well - I don't own one). |
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Posted: 5/30/2019 3:55:12 PM EDT
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I've heard good things about this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Mission-Darkness-Non-Window-Faraday-Phones/dp/B01A7MACL2 |
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Posted: 5/30/2019 9:49:49 PM EDT
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I have one in the desk next to me and in my daily driver's glove compartment. I'm never far between either place.
You shut the phone down and slide it inside a tight golden color wire very fine mesh - cloth like it's so thin. That sits inside a ballistic cloth pouch with a velcro flap. The golden mesh folds over tightly. I've tested it both with meters and in the field with last two generations of Samsung's phones and they're dead when inside. I paid about |
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Posted: 5/30/2019 9:52:33 PM EDT
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Lots of GD being brought into this forum again. Not sure why people dont just answer the question. Leave all the negativity out of here. To the question. Just google faraday cell phone cases. You will see many that you can buy. I’d also look into a wallet that stops rf so people can’t steal your credit card info. |
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Posted: 5/30/2019 9:56:53 PM EDT
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ABC news drove around with a cell phone "off" and it was still tracked.
"Sources and methods" issues guarantee that the fact it can be tracked will be met with "tin foil conspiracy" allegations in any such thread. |
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Posted: 5/30/2019 10:15:05 PM EDT
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So which is more likely?: 1) no one has ever experimented on their phone, or that people have and the videos have been squelched, and any and all posts describing such behavior have also been squelched anywhere and everywhere 2) "off" means off 
I was also considering if the phones have some sort of near field unique ID. It makes sense on a manufacturing line from a safety standpoint. I'd love to interrogate a handful of different chip sets to see if anything answered back. No doubt, 100% when on, yeah ... but off/battery disconnected? |
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