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Posted: 8/19/2017 5:51:55 PM EDT
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Have you considered a ballistic shield rated for rifle rounds?
Better coverage than face masks, and you can bring it into places. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:10:32 PM EDT
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Have you considered a ballistic shield rated for rifle rounds? Better coverage than face masks, and you can bring it into places. 
OP if you need a helmet, you kind of suck at awareness. That means you allowed yourself to get into a situation where people are in direct contact with you, and if you did that you fucked up. If you want it in case of suprise attack, then you wont have time to don it, ballistic vest and get your rifle slung from the BOB |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:14:46 PM EDT
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A shield is magnitudes more expensive, as well as a commitment to carrying.
The likelihood of use, proper employment or accessibility is slim. If you want to have some cheap fun, put some aluminum plate in your seatback, back seat backs and headrests...maybe bond some inside your doors. Again, the likelihood is slim. Maybe work on the equipment needed to shoot, move & communicate first. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 6:51:12 PM EDT
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A good ballistic helmet will always be a part of my gear.
I can't help but shake my head at the people who see no reason to purchase a helmet as a prep. 4 of your 5 senses are exclusive to your head. You know what else is exclusive to your head? Your brain. Which is kind of a really important part of your body, in case you didn't know. 
With a helmet you can not only protect your head but can mount hands-free lighting on it, strobes and reflective markers to keep track of people in your group, ID tags, etc. My pick is an ACH helmet. Can be had for ~$150 in new condition. Not the lightest or most streamlined design but I don't have $800+ to blow on an OpsCore or the like so an ACH is the next best thing in my opinion. If you don't think you need/want ballistic protection you could always get a good quality bike or Mil. style bump helmet. Lighter and cooler than a ballistic helmet and still protects your head from nasty bumps. Remember, Traumatic Brain Injury is a bitch. Protect your head. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:02:25 PM EDT
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A good ballistic helmet will always be a part of my gear. I can't help but shake my head at the people who see no reason to purchase a helmet as a prep. 4 of your 5 senses are exclusive to your head. You know what else is exclusive to your head? Your brain. Which is kind of a really important part of your body, in case you didn't know.
With a helmet you can not only protect your head but can mount hands-free lighting on it, strobes and reflective markers to keep track of people in your group, ID tags, etc. My pick is an ACH helmet. Can be had for ~$150 in new condition. Not the lightest or most streamlined design but I don't have $800+ to blow on an OpsCore or the like so an ACH is the next best thing in my opinion. If you don't think you need/want ballistic protection you could always get a good quality bike or Mil. style bump helmet. Lighter and cooler than a ballistic helmet and still protects your head from nasty bumps. Remember, Traumatic Brain Injury is a bitch. Protect your head. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 7:10:52 PM EDT
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I didn't know I could get a decent one for around $150, I'll be ordering! ETA: Make sure you've got the sizing figured out first. Proper fit is important. I know this from experience.  If you're "in between sizes" go with the next size up.
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Posted: 8/19/2017 8:18:46 PM EDT
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Will definitely check those out. Not a situational awareness issue, sometimes stuff happens, hence being prepared.
People I work with have had issues in unfamiliar locales from anarchist groups. Flash mobs. Odds are low it would ever be needed, but I am at that point that this is a consideration. Not looking for a fight, escape if needed, hard to do so if you take a rock, or bike lock to the head. I have level IV plate, probably never need it, but have it if needed. Prepping and all that. I often work in college towns so who knows. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 5:12:12 PM EDT
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You could get a ballistic helmet and spray paint it to look more like a motorcycle helmet. It would probably pass by people who don't know motorcycles or combat.
That said, the best plan is obviously to LEAVE if things start to go sideways. Antifa and Nazi flags are good indications that you don't want to be there! |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:22:00 AM EDT
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A good ballistic helmet will always be a part of my gear. I can't help but shake my head at the people who see no reason to purchase a helmet as a prep. 4 of your 5 senses are exclusive to your head. You know what else is exclusive to your head? Your brain. Which is kind of a really important part of your body, in case you didn't know.
With a helmet you can not only protect your head but can mount hands-free lighting on it, strobes and reflective markers to keep track of people in your group, ID tags, etc. My pick is an ACH helmet. Can be had for ~$150 in new condition. Not the lightest or most streamlined design but I don't have $800+ to blow on an OpsCore or the like so an ACH is the next best thing in my opinion. If you don't think you need/want ballistic protection you could always get a good quality bike or Mil. style bump helmet. Lighter and cooler than a ballistic helmet and still protects your head from nasty bumps. Remember, Traumatic Brain Injury is a bitch. Protect your head. I have ACH, too. Plus http://approvedgasmasks.com/israeli-civilian-mask.htm for gas. Helmets are good for NVG too 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:47:58 PM EDT
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Civil unrest...get a construction workers helmet in a subdued color. You would look like a working joe.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:49:48 PM EDT
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I say get an OPS-CORE and sray it yellow to blend in. Throw in a construction vest and voila!
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:56:42 PM EDT
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I say get an OPS-CORE and sray it yellow to blend in. Throw in a construction vest and voila!
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Posted: 8/22/2017 2:33:06 PM EDT
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$125 for a large
I keep one next to my bed. I have a spare pasgt with an upgraded suspension that I should throw in my truck |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 1:55:51 PM EDT
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What pads do you want for an ACH ?
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Posted: 8/23/2017 3:17:40 PM EDT
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What pads do you want for an ACH ? Oregon Aero are combat proven and are very comfortable. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:43:36 AM EDT
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Call me crazy, but I still like the old M1. Worthless for ballistic protection, except for low velocity shell fragments. I doubt we'll see a lot of IDF state side, but it's about as utilitarian as a big steel bowl. One can cook, dig, use as a sink, a stool, a seat, a bowl, a bludgeon, and pretty much anything else you can think of in a pinch. Now if only I can find someone selling a Multicam cover for one.
That said, the ACH is still the most economic choice today for head protection against small arms. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:12:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2017 11:46:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2017 2:03:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI own that very helm
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Posted: 8/25/2017 12:06:42 AM EDT
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+1. Much more likely to get a brick to the head rather than bullets flying. Helmets are good for NVG too I will upgrade to something like the Ops-Core, just because I still prefer the lightweight bump style but I would like the option to add NV as well. I've seen far more head injuries from getting into vehicles, bumps, thrown rocks, falling debris, falls, etc. than bullets. I wouldn't criticize either choice, but having at least a bump/bike helmet or more protection from a ballistics helmet is just simply prudent advice. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 9:20:54 AM EDT
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It's not tacticool but concider a petzel helmet. Plenty of protection for your noodle and its gray man.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 10:17:56 AM EDT
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Hard hat?
...and if you're a football fan, you can get one with your favorite team logo on it! 
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Posted: 8/26/2017 6:43:58 PM EDT
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We have talked about the grey man with his clipboard, a hard hat is a good thing to add to that.
If you have night vision then going that direction can make sense, but usually you can pick up a hard hat cheap. I kept a couple from when I was a kid and went spelunking with my dad and an uncle who was into spelunking pretty seriously. That hard hat showing some reasonable use might be better than the brand new shiny waxed version. |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 7:58:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2017 9:37:24 AM EDT
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Riot helmet - you're not grey man.
PAGST helmet - definitely not grey man. Motorcycle helmet without a motorcycle - ugh, well.... I think the lowest profile helmet is the bicycle helmet or hardhat. |
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Posted: 9/1/2017 9:57:34 AM EDT
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What pads do you want for an ACH ? Team Wendy EPIC AIR Liner It goes from hotspots on head after a couple hours, to forgetting you are wearing the damn thing. I picked up a CAM FIT™ H-Back Retention System as well on closeout, but it appears it was incomplete - I couldn't install it. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 8:50:11 AM EDT
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I know team wendy is not popular, but I recently got a set of their pads on closeout. Tried it out on a recent FTX. Holy shit, I wish I had bought them 10 years ago. Team Wendy EPIC AIR Liner It goes from hotspots on head after a couple hours, to forgetting you are wearing the damn thing. I picked up a CAM FIT™ H-Back Retention System as well on closeout, but it appears it was incomplete - I couldn't install it. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 9:42:29 AM EDT
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there are bump hats on amazon that look like ball caps.
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Posted: 9/2/2017 11:51:15 AM EDT
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Curious . Why do you say Team Wendy isn't popular ? I know nothing about them . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know team wendy is not popular, but I recently got a set of their pads on closeout. Tried it out on a recent FTX. Holy shit, I wish I had bought them 10 years ago. Team Wendy EPIC AIR Liner It goes from hotspots on head after a couple hours, to forgetting you are wearing the damn thing. I picked up a CAM FIT™ H-Back Retention System as well on closeout, but it appears it was incomplete - I couldn't install it. 
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Posted: 9/2/2017 12:22:02 PM EDT
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You can run a search on youtube for team wendy + hillary and should have a video clip where she stopped and spoke there.
Team wendy stuff got seriously discounted and cleared out of a lot of places after that. I appreciate the company and where it came from, but them supporting hillary makes me just say they have their freedom of speech and I have mine. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 12:45:48 PM EDT
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OP, I would follow the line of reasoning to shoot, move, and communicate first.
Next I would focus on the gray man concept. Once you have those squared away.... Then you can look at helmets. Helmets mean "contact" with danger and if you need a helmet then you better have a lot of loaded mags..... |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 2:12:13 PM EDT
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$125 for a large I keep one next to my bed. I have a spare pasgt with an upgraded suspension that I should throw in my truck |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 2:32:55 PM EDT
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Not trying to hijack the thread, but any recommendations for a bump helmet or hard hat with a chin strap, maybe a cave or rescue helmet?
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Posted: 9/2/2017 2:55:12 PM EDT
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You can run a search on youtube for team wendy + hillary and should have a video clip where she stopped and spoke there. Team wendy stuff got seriously discounted and cleared out of a lot of places after that. I appreciate the company and where it came from, but them supporting hillary makes me just say they have their freedom of speech and I have mine. I do not agree with ANY business who wants to stay in business taking a political stand. They should have kept that shit to themselves. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:11:33 PM EDT
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Pro Tec skateboard helmets can be had for cheap. You can also add rails and nvg mount as needed.
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Posted: 9/2/2017 7:58:41 PM EDT
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Not trying to hijack the thread, but any recommendations for a bump helmet or hard hat with a chin strap, maybe a cave or rescue helmet? |
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Posted: 9/3/2017 1:23:14 AM EDT
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For me a hard hat or bicycle helmet will do the job when required. Most times I am a ball cap kinda guy and with some situational awareness I hope, and plan to avoid any riots. I have some soft vests but if a situation requires more than that, to include a ballistic helmet then I will have bugged out prior. I am not a solder and don't pretend to be one. I don't have any combat experience and don't want any. Can I shoot at paper? Heck yea, just like all the other weekend warriors in battle rattle, but I don't fool myself into thinking I am ready for combat. Escape evade avoid. My family is priority number one. I will defend when possible, but I won't challenge impossible odds. Not worth it IMHO.
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Posted: 9/5/2017 9:09:58 PM EDT
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Bought an ACH some years back because it was on sale and I had money. WTH, right?
PSA leading from that purchase, pay attention to suspension as much as helmet. I now have a helmet that's loose. Not much, but I'm looking at possibly as much to properly fit it as I paid for the helmet in the first place. Regarding having one at all. You aren't going to grey man wearing a helmet of just about any kind. Remember, the cops are taking helmets at the rallies (at least, they're taking them from the not-left) Helmets are for those times when the situation has overcome your ability to get away beforehand. At that point, (assuming you aren't .mil or LEO) you need something that'll keep your dome intact until you do get away. A bump helmet will do for about anything short of volunteer militia use. If you're young enough, you can get away with a skateboard helmet at the risk of friendlies misidentifying you as ANTIFA or something. Old guys like me probably wouldn't get away with it, even if I bought a skateboard to lug around as a prop
You can probably save the hundred or so on the Team Wendy suspension system that'll allow you to wear the helmet forever. You're probably going to be wearing it for a couple of hours, tops, after which, you've either GTFO, or you're stuck and the bad has already happened. Still, even for a couple of hours, you need that fucker to fit. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 6:35:04 AM EDT
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So, for the "non-grayman" look, I broke down and ordered a Skarr Armor MICH Kevlar. The one the company issued me here in Afghanistan pissed me off so bad the other day I was tempted to toss it out the helo. First, it's nasty and I haven't had a chance to clean it, second, it doesn't fit, and third, the suspension is something a monkey sewed together and doesn't work with any eye-pro I have. Anybody have experience with Skarr Armor? It was about half the price of the Ops variety, but the same level of compliance for protection.
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Posted: 9/8/2017 7:08:21 AM EDT
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I didn't know I could get a decent one for around $150, I'll be ordering! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A good ballistic helmet will always be a part of my gear. I can't help but shake my head at the people who see no reason to purchase a helmet as a prep. 4 of your 5 senses are exclusive to your head. You know what else is exclusive to your head? Your brain. Which is kind of a really important part of your body, in case you didn't know.
With a helmet you can not only protect your head but can mount hands-free lighting on it, strobes and reflective markers to keep track of people in your group, ID tags, etc. My pick is an ACH helmet. Can be had for ~$150 in new condition. Not the lightest or most streamlined design but I don't have $800+ to blow on an OpsCore or the like so an ACH is the next best thing in my opinion. If you don't think you need/want ballistic protection you could always get a good quality bike or Mil. style bump helmet. Lighter and cooler than a ballistic helmet and still protects your head from nasty bumps. Remember, Traumatic Brain Injury is a bitch. Protect your head. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 6:23:35 AM EDT
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I have a MSA brand ACH.
But I think you mean like a bump helmet? So any good coverage bike or skateboard helmet? Can even paint it (rattle can) if you want. That's all I'd do. Probably wouldn't paint. Some logos would help you blend among other crowd people in that environment. Or paint yours mat green and stencil 'GOOD GUY' on it. That will let the liberals know you're an enemy, but also let the cops know that you just want out of the violent shit. |
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Posted: 9/10/2017 6:54:49 PM EDT
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People can make their call on the political stuff. I came close to just ordering a bunch when everyone discounted the stuff cause cheap but good and in my possession beats expensive and good but not bought yet.
Surprised no one has the pic of the people wearing the pasta strainer things yet. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 9:20:33 AM EDT
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Saw this thread and wanted to add that I regularly see surplus ACH helmets at Stormseeker Surplus for $70-$80 that are in good to excellent condition. I've ordered other things from them several times and have always received items in the condition advertised or better.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 10:49:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2017 6:30:41 AM EDT
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I ride a Harley, nuff said.
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