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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:28:12 AM EDT
My sister is 18 years old and for the last few months she has been struggling with MRSA.
She has been on some heavy duty anti biotics to fight the infection. I am curious if anyone here has taken steps to fight against MRSA in your preps. Seems like something that everyone would be more susceptible to in a SHtF situation. Once you have it, you'll always have to be super cautious of even the smallest cuts and scrapes |
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My wife has gone 2 rounds with MRSA. Prepping for emergency supplies would be nearly impossible for her. She is allergic to Vancomyacin so the only antibiotic that can treat her is Zyvoxx. It is nearly impossible to get. last September there was a 3 day IV dose in Iowa City, IA, a 2 day dose in PDC, WI and the next nearest ones were Madison or Rochester.
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unless you have special connections or resources, there is no practical way to prep for MRSA infections. Without modern medical help, competent doctors and hospital care, MRSA will be hard to over come.
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Doxycycline and Bactrim (SMZ-TMP sulfamethoxazole/trimethoprim) are both oral antibiotics that are used to treat MRSA skin and soft tissue infections (not systemic MRSA). Download this MRSA guide
If you are getting recurrent MRSA infections you are probably colonized by the bacteria. There are ways to decolonize and should discuss this with your Doc. At a minimum you can try Hibiclens bath http://mercyclinicsdesmoines.org/Quality/PatientEdu12.10/MRSADecolonPatientHandout010908.pdf http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/748722_3 http://www.deborah.org/4Patient/MRSA.html |
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I had a nasty infection and have many scars from it.
chlorine baths will kill the stuff on your skin. Hibiclens also kills it, but can't get around your eyes/nose/ears etc. Diluted chlorine bath can. Inside the nose is an area that is hard to kill the bacteria. There is a nose cream that goes and q-tips and gets painted inside your nose. Kills the bacteria in a couple weeks. I would think that spending an hour+ a day at a pool would kill it all. No way you will be keeping that chlorinated water out of your nostrils. |
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unless you have special connections or resources, there is no practical way to prep for MRSA infections. Without modern medical help, competent doctors and hospital care, MRSA will be hard to over come. View Quote I'll second this. My youngest son spent a month in the Children's ICU in Dallas with an aggressive MRSA infection and we still nearly lost him. Symptoms came on like a 3-day flu-bug, but at day 3 he was not holding food or water. His CRP/SED rate #'s were through the roof. They told us we might lose him right there, that first day. He was touch and go for two weeks despite throwing everything they had at him. He was playing mite hockey at the time... Our best guess is that he picked it up from the hockey-rink locker-rooms or perhaps the loaner goalie pads that had probably never been washed... So I'm thinking the best way to combat this is by keeping you stuff clean. |
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It will be a major problem when SHTF. I have had it from work, I am on so many antibiotics due to the dirty air , it is wiped out in my body. I have regualar testing of anything that looks like it, Prevention is the only way, I was anal when I got it and my family did not get it. Another guy here, his family got it
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Quoted: This is your first, last, and best defense against MRSA. Proper hand hygiene is the most important, yet least considered, infection control measure. Prevention is where 99% of your battle is. http://i.imgur.com/0TbcTgb.jpg View Quote |
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You answered your own question in your post. Those HD antibiotics aren't cheap and aren't sold in the pet store. You say she has been battling it for months and I assume that is under an MD's care. If you could get the antibiotics, how much can you afford and how much can you store and for how long? Does it require refrigeration? Also, IIRC, those are administered through a PICC line, which isn't installed at home.
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This is your first, last, and best defense against MRSA. Proper hand hygiene is the most important, yet least considered, infection control measure. Prevention is where 99% of your battle is. http://i.imgur.com/0TbcTgb.jpg View Quote Absolutely. Prophylaxis is the best prep. |
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unless you have special connections or resources, there is no practical way to prep for MRSA infections. Without modern medical help, competent doctors and hospital care, MRSA will be hard to over come. View Quote this. concentrate on sanitation and hygiene, that is about all you can really do. |
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this. concentrate on sanitation and hygiene, that is about all you can really do. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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unless you have special connections or resources, there is no practical way to prep for MRSA infections. Without modern medical help, competent doctors and hospital care, MRSA will be hard to over come. this. concentrate on sanitation and hygiene, that is about all you can really do. +1. I have a Nike duffle bag thats filled with sanitation and hygiene products...its better than nothing. |
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http://www.aquaticpharmacy.com/uploads/3/2/9/7/3297984/1298703.jpg?5059320 http://www.aquaticpharmacy.com/uploads/3/2/9/7/3297984/1535111.jpg?6728500 http://www.aquaticpharmacy.com/uploads/3/2/9/7/3297984/2956715.jpg?6575721 For MRSA skin and soft tissue infections in all of your pet fish. View Quote Now without a culture to determine which antibiotics the staph is sensitive to how do you know which one? Just shotgun it and take everything or trial and error? Not all strains of MRSA are created equal. If MRSA was so easily treated by fish oral antibiotics then no one would give a shit about it and you would have never heard about it. That $30-$40 is better spent on hand sanitizer, water, soap, and gloves to be honest. |
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I am curious if anyone here has taken steps to fight against MRSA in your preps. Seems like something that everyone would be more susceptible to in a SHtF situation. View Quote Not sure you really can. When I had MRSA I had 3 different types of antibiotics and I had 2 out patient minor surgeries to clear it out (and it was not int a 'fun' place - I had to stop bike riding that spring). I'll agree the best prevention is soap and water, but there are always those '"gotcha's". |
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Now without a culture to determine which antibiotics the staph is sensitive to how do you know which one? Just shotgun it and take everything or trial and error? Not all strains of MRSA are created equal. If MRSA was so easily treated by fish oral antibiotics then no one would give a shit about it and you would have never heard about it. That $30-$40 is better spent on hand sanitizer, water, soap, and gloves to be honest. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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http://www.aquaticpharmacy.com/uploads/3/2/9/7/3297984/1298703.jpg?5059320 http://www.aquaticpharmacy.com/uploads/3/2/9/7/3297984/1535111.jpg?6728500 http://www.aquaticpharmacy.com/uploads/3/2/9/7/3297984/2956715.jpg?6575721 For MRSA skin and soft tissue infections in all of your pet fish. Now without a culture to determine which antibiotics the staph is sensitive to how do you know which one? Just shotgun it and take everything or trial and error? Not all strains of MRSA are created equal. If MRSA was so easily treated by fish oral antibiotics then no one would give a shit about it and you would have never heard about it. That $30-$40 is better spent on hand sanitizer, water, soap, and gloves to be honest. Streptococci (Group A ) and S. aureus cause the majority of skin infections (Cellulitis, Carbuncles & Furuncles). With MRSA accounting for 50% or more of S. aureus infections (location dependent check your local antibiogram) you probably have a > 25% chance that any skin infection involves MRSA. That does not automatically translate into using ABx for treatment. From the ISDA guidline for MRSA in my first post: I. What is the management of skin and soft-tissue infections (SSTIs) in the era of community-associated MRSA (CA-MRSA)? SSTIs 1. For a cutaneous abscess, incision and drainage is the primary treatment (A-II). For simple abscesses or boils, incision and drainage alone is likely to be adequate, but additional data are needed to further define the role of antibiotics, if any, in this setting. 2. Antibiotic therapy is recommended for abscesses associated with the following conditions: severe or extensive disease (eg, involving multiple sites of infection) or rapid progression in presence of associated cellulitis, signs and symptoms of systemic illness, associated comorbidities or immunosuppression, extremes of age, abscess in an area difficult to drain (eg, face, hand, and genitalia), associated septic phlebitis, and lack of response to incision and drainage alone (A-III). 3. For outpatients with purulent cellulitis (eg, cellulitis associated with purulent drainage or exudate in the absence of a drainable abscess), empirical therapy for CA-MRSA is recommended pending culture results. Empirical therapy for infection due to b-hemolytic streptococci is likely to be unnecessary (A-II). Five to 10 days of therapy is recommended but should be individualized on the basis of the patient’s clinical response. 4. For outpatients with nonpurulent cellulitis (eg, cellulitis with no purulent drainage or exudate and no associated abscess), empirical therapy for infection due to b-hemolytic streptococci is recommended (A-II). The role of CA-MRSA is unknown. Empirical coverage for CA-MRSA is recommended in patients who do not respond to b-lactam therapy and may be considered in those with systemic toxicity. Five to 10 days of therapy is recommended but should be individualized on the basis of the patient’s clinical response. 5. For empirical coverage of CA-MRSA in outpatients with SSTI, oral antibiotic options include the following: clindamycin (A-II), trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole (TMP-SMX) (A-II), a tetracycline (doxycycline or minocycline) (A-II), and linezolid (A-II). If coverage for both b-hemolytic streptococci and CA-MRSA is desired, options include the following: clindamycin alone (A-II) or TMP-SMX or a tetracycline in combination with a b-lactam (eg, amoxicillin) (A-II) or linezolid alone (A-II). 6. The use of rifampin as a single agent or as adjunctive therapy for the treatment of SSTI is not recommended (A-III). 7. For hospitalized patients with complicated SSTI (cSSTI; defined as patients with deeper soft-tissue infections, surgical/ traumatic wound infection, major abscesses, cellulitis, and infected ulcers and burns), in addition to surgical debridement and broad-spectrum antibiotics, empirical therapy for MRSA should be considered pending culture data. Options include the following: intravenous (IV) vancomycin (A-I), oral (PO) or IV linezolid 600 mg twice daily (A-I), daptomycin 4 mg/kg/dose IV once daily (A-I), telavancin 10 mg/kg/dose IV once daily (A-I), and clindamycin 600 mg IV or PO 3 times a day (A-III). A b-lactam antibiotic (eg, cefazolin) may be considered in hospitalized patients with nonpurulent cellulitis with modification to MRSA-active therapy if there is no clinical response (A-II). Seven to 14 days of therapy is recommended but should be individualized on the basis of the patient’s clinical response. 8. Cultures from abscesses and other purulent SSTIs are recommended in patients treated with antibiotic therapy, patients with severe local infection or signs of systemic illness, patients who have not responded adequately to initial treatment, and if there is concern for a cluster or outbreak (A-III). Since we are discussing SHTF medicine you will not have the luxury of lab cultures to guide you (goes for both MDs and end of the world warriors) so you are stuck with empirical therapy. Clindamycin, TMP-SMX & doxycycline are the recommended oral empirical therapy for SSTI. All of this assumes your preventative measures failed, you have a SSTI and there is no professional medical help available. If you are unlucky enough to have an MRSA infection become systemic (or endocarditis or CAP) you are most likely SOL without a functional clinic/hospital. |
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For those of you who have had it multipule times, where do you get it?
I got mine from having a huge open rash on my chest and getting treated for it at the base hospital........ |
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Think you have a lot of gauze stocked up?
One good mrsa healing experience can wipe out a heck of a pile of gauze preps. I have been meaning to get some of the hibiclense. Handcleaner/sanitizer is something else I need to read up on. I am still using the alcohol based stuff but I don't use it constantly. Generally use it before eating at work and yeah I wash up at work before eating but I still like the hand sanitizer. |
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I have had mrsa once. Bactrim works on most strains. I keep bactrim in my preps along with cipro and z packs.
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unless you have special connections or resources, there is no practical way to prep for MRSA infections. Without modern medical help, competent doctors and hospital care, MRSA will be hard to over come. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
unless you have special connections or resources, there is no practical way to prep for MRSA infections. Without modern medical help, competent doctors and hospital care, MRSA will be hard to over come. This. Prevention is the best medicine. You could TRY shotgunning handfuls of random antibiotics but resistant bacterial infections can be a royal bitch to treat. I just had a patient with a dental infection that clindamycin wouldn't touch. Went empirically with augmentin and flagyl and got lucky. Next stop was the ER. Quoted:
For the record, I have had multiple bouts of SSTI on my legs including a 3 day hospital stay. Two years ago I found me a new shower buddy: http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608037575319749235&pid=1.7 I have not had so much as a pimple on my legs since. Once a week Hibiclens showers worked for me, and I do keep a gallon bottle in my bathroom. Hibiclens $59.99 Udder Wash $26.41 |
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bones, thanks for posting that link to the udder wash. cost is the main reason i haven't stocked hibiclens in the past. just ordered a gallon of the concentrate.
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This. Prevention is the best medicine. You could TRY shotgunning handfuls of random antibiotics but resistant bacterial infections can be a royal bitch to treat. I just had a patient with a dental infection that clindamycin wouldn't touch. Went empirically with augmentin and flagyl and got lucky. Next stop was the ER. Hibiclens $59.99 Udder Wash $26.41 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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unless you have special connections or resources, there is no practical way to prep for MRSA infections. Without modern medical help, competent doctors and hospital care, MRSA will be hard to over come. This. Prevention is the best medicine. You could TRY shotgunning handfuls of random antibiotics but resistant bacterial infections can be a royal bitch to treat. I just had a patient with a dental infection that clindamycin wouldn't touch. Went empirically with augmentin and flagyl and got lucky. Next stop was the ER. Quoted:
For the record, I have had multiple bouts of SSTI on my legs including a 3 day hospital stay. Two years ago I found me a new shower buddy: http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608037575319749235&pid=1.7 I have not had so much as a pimple on my legs since. Once a week Hibiclens showers worked for me, and I do keep a gallon bottle in my bathroom. Hibiclens $59.99 Udder Wash $26.41 That's udderly amazing! LOL. $14.00 at TrueValue |
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unless you have special connections or resources, there is no practical way to prep for MRSA infections. Without modern medical help, competent doctors and hospital care, MRSA will be hard to over come. This. Prevention is the best medicine. You could TRY shotgunning handfuls of random antibiotics but resistant bacterial infections can be a royal bitch to treat. I just had a patient with a dental infection that clindamycin wouldn't touch. Went empirically with augmentin and flagyl and got lucky. Next stop was the ER. Quoted:
For the record, I have had multiple bouts of SSTI on my legs including a 3 day hospital stay. Two years ago I found me a new shower buddy: http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608037575319749235&pid=1.7 I have not had so much as a pimple on my legs since. Once a week Hibiclens showers worked for me, and I do keep a gallon bottle in my bathroom. Hibiclens $59.99 Udder Wash $26.41 That's udderly amazing! LOL. $14.00 at TrueValue Great find! Hibiclens brand can jump in a lake. I use a fair amount of that stuff for washing my poor cocker spaniel. He gets all kinds of yeast infections and chlorhexidine works for that, too. |
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Maybe this is a stupid question, but by using hibiclens for folks who have never had MRSA infections (nor any family members), could it possibly upset the body's current state of balance and make you actually prone to it?
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Maybe this is a stupid question, but by using hibiclens for folks who have never had MRSA infections (nor any family members), could it possibly upset the body's current state of balance and make you actually prone to it? View Quote Good question. Our bodies are colonized by a virtual UN of microbes including our gut, skin and lungs. The importance of bacteria in our GI system is well accepted and partially understood, the importance in other organs is poorly understood. I will go by the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' meme. Wash your hands with the disinfectant of choice, don't take hibiclens baths unless there is a definable reason to do so. Fun fact of the day, your nose is often colonized by Staphylococcus including the dreaded MRSA. If you pick now and scratch an itch an hour later you can and will transfer those bacteria to the skin. The proper technique is: pick, wash the booger hook then scratch. |
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this is NOT something that should ever be used on a daily basis.
i would treat this more as a wound care/sterilization use than for general cleaning. most of the time clean is enough and there are good types of bacteria we don't want/need to kill. for times such as dealing with an infectious patient <ie.. flu etc> or working on a persons wounds i would certainly use it. use it appropriately and don't be an idiot and bathe in it daily and you will be fine. |
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Maybe this is a stupid question, but by using hibiclens for folks who have never had MRSA infections (nor any family members), could it possibly upset the body's current state of balance and make you actually prone to it? View Quote Yes. Most people do not need this stuff. I only keep it for the dog. Your body is healthy when it has the right balance of bugs. As a dentist, when I tell people to brush and floss it's about farming up a crop of the healthy bugs in your mouth. |
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Good question. Our bodies are colonized by a virtual UN of microbes including our gut, skin and lungs. The importance of bacteria in our GI system is well accepted and partially understood, the importance in other organs is poorly understood. I will go by the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' meme. Wash your hands with the disinfectant of choice, don't take hibiclens baths unless there is a definable reason to do so. Fun fact of the day, your nose is often colonized by Staphylococcus including the dreaded MRSA. If you pick now and scratch an itch an hour later you can and will transfer those bacteria to the skin. The proper technique is: pick, wash the booger hook then scratch. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe this is a stupid question, but by using hibiclens for folks who have never had MRSA infections (nor any family members), could it possibly upset the body's current state of balance and make you actually prone to it? Good question. Our bodies are colonized by a virtual UN of microbes including our gut, skin and lungs. The importance of bacteria in our GI system is well accepted and partially understood, the importance in other organs is poorly understood. I will go by the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' meme. Wash your hands with the disinfectant of choice, don't take hibiclens baths unless there is a definable reason to do so. Fun fact of the day, your nose is often colonized by Staphylococcus including the dreaded MRSA. If you pick now and scratch an itch an hour later you can and will transfer those bacteria to the skin. The proper technique is: pick, wash the booger hook then scratch. Thanks for the useful info Rich! I scratch a lot and rarely wash my booger hook, unless I get grease of something on it. |
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good thread w/ useful links to guidelines by Rich V, & thanks to those who put up the links the generic chlorhexidine as well.
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can anyone say how well silver solutions (nano silver, ionic silver, colloidal silver) work on mrsa infections? anyone ever tried it? its killed every infection on my skin i have ever had.
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can anyone say how well silver solutions (nano silver, ionic silver, colloidal silver) work on mrsa infections? anyone ever tried it? its killed every infection on my skin i have ever had. View Quote i have heard it is effective but there are much better things out there that won't turn you blue in the long run. and frankly this stuff is cheaper by far. |
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For the record, I have had multiple bouts of SSTI on my legs including a 3 day hospital stay. Two years ago I found me a new shower buddy: http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608037575319749235&pid=1.7 I have not had so much as a pimple on my legs since. Once a week Hibiclens showers worked for me, and I do keep a gallon bottle in my bathroom. View Quote Isn't This (click me) the same stuff as Hibiclens but cheaper |
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can anyone say how well silver solutions (nano silver, ionic silver, colloidal silver) work on mrsa infections? anyone ever tried it? its killed every infection on my skin i have ever had. View Quote We use it for some types of wounds including MRSA infected wounds in my hospital. Doesn't work for all infections however in all wounds. |
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For the record, I have had multiple bouts of SSTI on my legs including a 3 day hospital stay. Two years ago I found me a new shower buddy: http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608037575319749235&pid=1.7 I have not had so much as a pimple on my legs since. Once a week Hibiclens showers worked for me, and I do keep a gallon bottle in my bathroom. Isn't This (click me) the same stuff as Hibiclens but cheaper Chlorahexedine gluconate is the active ingredient, so yes, |
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Chlorahexedine gluconate is the active ingredient, so yes, View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For the record, I have had multiple bouts of SSTI on my legs including a 3 day hospital stay. Two years ago I found me a new shower buddy: http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608037575319749235&pid=1.7 I have not had so much as a pimple on my legs since. Once a week Hibiclens showers worked for me, and I do keep a gallon bottle in my bathroom. Isn't This (click me) the same stuff as Hibiclens but cheaper Chlorahexedine gluconate is the active ingredient, so yes, It looks like the linked product is 2%, Hibiclens is 4%. Whether or not that is clinically significant...who knows? |
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It looks like the linked product is 2%, Hibiclens is 4%. Whether or not that is clinically significant...who knows? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For the record, I have had multiple bouts of SSTI on my legs including a 3 day hospital stay. Two years ago I found me a new shower buddy: http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608037575319749235&pid=1.7 I have not had so much as a pimple on my legs since. Once a week Hibiclens showers worked for me, and I do keep a gallon bottle in my bathroom. considering it is a concentrate that is easy enough to fix. Isn't This (click me) the same stuff as Hibiclens but cheaper Chlorahexedine gluconate is the active ingredient, so yes, It looks like the linked product is 2%, Hibiclens is 4%. Whether or not that is clinically significant...who knows? considering it is a concentrate that is easy enough to fix. i suspect the strength is based on post dilution mix. |
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Dang.
The antibiotic my dad needed was called the nuclear option. It resulted in a complete tear of his Achilles tendon, and him living TXL |
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I had a nasty infection and have many scars from it. chlorine baths will kill the stuff on your skin. Hibiclens also kills it, but can't get around your eyes/nose/ears etc. Diluted chlorine bath can. Inside the nose is an area that is hard to kill the bacteria. There is a nose cream that goes and q-tips and gets painted inside your nose. Kills the bacteria in a couple weeks. I would think that spending an hour+ a day at a pool would kill it all. No way you will be keeping that chlorinated water out of your nostrils. View Quote Bactroban on my second round with MRSA did the trick along with the 3 weeks of Hibiclens and the Bactrim. Without treating the nose you will more than likely have it again. If she got the community based MRSA and has dogs they are possibly where it came from, especially if they sleep in bed with her. |
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Maybe this is a stupid question, but by using hibiclens for folks who have never had MRSA infections (nor any family members), could it possibly upset the body's current state of balance and make you actually prone to it? View Quote It could, it will wipe out all the good bacteria on your skin along with the bad ones. |
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Dang. The antibiotic my dad needed was called the nuclear option. It resulted in a complete tear of his Achilles tendon, and him living TXL View Quote i used to work with a girl that lost all fingers and toes, most of one foot and was covered in scars from it. she almost died. brain cancer finally got her last year |
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Doe as anyone know if this (Click Me) website is legit? They have the bactrim and other goodies as well. Anyone ever use them?
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