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Posted: 5/2/2002 11:04:13 PM EDT
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Do you really think that all of the mags that importers are bringing in are really "pre-ban"? That's why Sweinstein is so intent on "closing the import loophole" and banning the importing of ALL hi-cap mags, pre-ban or not.
As far as an individual importing mags, you'd need an import license (mags are treated VERY differently when crossing international borders) and probably an FFL to be approved by Customs, BATF, and possibly even the State Department. Importing mags is only financially feasable when importing large volumes. Importing a dozen mags would almost certainly cost far more than buying existing pre-ban mags, due to permits, fees, and paperwork. Importing 10,000 mags is something else. -Troy |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 12:16:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Do you really think that all of the mags that importers are bringing in are really "pre-ban"? That's why Sweinstein is so intent on "closing the import loophole" and banning the importing of ALL hi-cap mags, pre-ban or not. As far as an individual importing mags, you'd need an import license (mags are treated VERY differently when crossing international borders) and probably an FFL to be approved by Customs, BATF, and possibly even the State Department. Importing mags is only financially feasable when importing large volumes. Importing a dozen mags would almost certainly cost far more than buying existing pre-ban mags, due to permits, fees, and paperwork. Importing 10,000 mags is something else. -Troy There is no way to do this simpily? |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 2:27:29 PM EDT
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Legal =/= simple.
-Troy |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 2:33:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Legal =/= simple. -Troy check your mail please |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 6:44:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: Do you really think that all of the mags that importers are bringing in are really "pre-ban"? That's why Sweinstein is so intent on "closing the import loophole" and banning the importing of ALL hi-cap mags, pre-ban or not. As far as an individual importing mags, you'd need an import license (mags are treated VERY differently when crossing international borders) and probably an FFL to be approved by Customs, BATF, and possibly even the State Department. Importing mags is only financially feasable when importing large volumes. Importing a dozen mags would almost certainly cost far more than buying existing pre-ban mags, due to permits, fees, and paperwork. Importing 10,000 mags is something else. -Troy Does this hold true for mags that are not for resale, but for personal use only? Please advise. |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 7:49:27 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Do you really think that all of the mags that importers are bringing in are really "pre-ban"? That's why Sweinstein is so intent on "closing the import loophole" and banning the importing of ALL hi-cap mags, pre-ban or not. As far as an individual importing mags, you'd need an import license (mags are treated VERY differently when crossing international borders) and probably an FFL to be approved by Customs, BATF, and possibly even the State Department. Importing mags is only financially feasable when importing large volumes. Importing a dozen mags would almost certainly cost far more than buying existing pre-ban mags, due to permits, fees, and paperwork. Importing 10,000 mags is something else. -Troy Does this hold true for mags that are not for resale, but for personal use only? Please advise. from everything ive read on the subject yes it does. |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 7:59:39 AM EDT
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So is it legal to leave the US to a country that allowes 10+rounds,and if so why wouldnt you be able to bring back the mags that you took? I know of people who traveled to other countries and when they did so they got permission from that countries embassy or customs(not sure which) on paper to bring a firearm. So what if you went there and came back,you couldnt bring your mags back? how would they know exactly what mag you are brining back,they dont have S/N.
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Posted: 5/4/2002 8:43:33 AM EDT
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M4,
You're getting into an area of discussion concerning illegal acts. You want to bring back the 10+ mags you left the country with? You'd better register them and the firearms you take with you with US Customs [b]before[/b] you leave the country. If you don't, you likely won't be allowed to bring those vary same guns and mags back into the country, much less bring extra ones back, too. It's illegal to import post-9/13/94 10+ magazines into this country. Period. |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 8:51:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: M4, You're getting into an area of discussion concerning illegal acts. You want to bring back the 10+ mags you left the country with? You'd better register them and the firearms you take with you with US Customs [b]before[/b] you leave the country. If you don't, you likely won't be allowed to bring those vary same guns and mags back into the country, much less bring extra ones back, too. It's illegal to import post-9/13/94 10+ magazines into this country. Period. exactly how would you register a 30round AK or AR magazine with customs? Im not sure its possible.Also when you fly they dont search the baggage you check that goes under the plane,so if you were going on a hunting trip to africa and you put a few of your accessories in your checked luggage,and you registerd your guns with customs how would they [u]know[/u] what acc. you took/came back with? |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 8:55:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: M4, You're getting into an area of discussion concerning illegal acts. . Im just making a comment on how customs isnt 100% full proof,is that not allowed by the webmaster? |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 11:40:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: exactly how would you register a 30round AK or AR magazine with customs? Im not sure its possible.Also when you fly they dont search the baggage you check that goes under the plane,so if you were going on a hunting trip to africa and you put a few of your accessories in your checked luggage,and you registerd your guns with customs how would they [u]know[/u] what acc. you took/came back with? I'm sure that showing US Customs all of the paperwork required to get your items into the OTHER country would be a start. What you're missing is that importing guns, ammo, and related items in and out of countries is a BIG DEAL. With many countries, it's completely illegal, and most others, it requires all kinds of paperwork and approval. And, big surprise, it's the same when bringing things BACK into this country. Customs generally requires that you have PROOF that you owned and possessed your items in the US or they won't allow you back into the country with them. Lots of people have lost very nice guns because they didn't understand these laws and proceedures, and they have little recourse to get them back. -Troy |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 1:54:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: M4, You're getting into an area of discussion concerning illegal acts. You want to bring back the 10+ mags you left the country with? You'd better register them and the firearms you take with you with US Customs [b]before[/b] you leave the country. If you don't, you likely won't be allowed to bring those vary same guns and mags back into the country, much less bring extra ones back, too. It's illegal to import post-9/13/94 10+ magazines into this country. Period. OK, but what if the mags were made before 9/13/94?? |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 2:19:24 PM EDT
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M4,
Smuggling guns and magazines into the US is a felony. Talking about how to commit a felony is a violation of Forum Conduct Guidelines. CG, It would cost you far more to import a few "pre-ban" high-caps than it would to buy ones already here. Good luck getting an import license. |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 2:27:46 PM EDT
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Pre-ban mags are still being imported. The importer has to get a certificate from a government agency in that country or the exporter, or some or certifications, saying that the mags were made before a certain date. In a lot of these countries it isn’t very hard to get a government official to sign of on bogus pre-ban mags.
One example I’ve seen recently is the Bulgarian Waffle mags for AK-47’s. These mags were never seen anywhere on the world market that I am aware of. Odds are they are very recent manufacture and a bogus certificate was obtained in Bulgaria, making them “legal” for importation and sell here in the States. |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 4:38:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: OK, but what if the mags were made before 9/13/94?? It is still illegal unless, as stated above, you have an import license and have jumped through all the hoops with the ATF & Customs. |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 9:15:50 PM EDT
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Let me get this straight,
If the mag is documented as being manufactured prior to the ban, and If you have the appropriate paperwork, then It may be imported legally??? I don't care about cost, lisc and all the other BS. Is it legal under the above scenerio? |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 9:40:03 PM EDT
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Having an opinoin on a Hypothetical situation is against site policy? thats like saying NOBODY on this site could talk about the next possible terrorist targets the DOD issues on homeline defense and then we all couldnt respond how how we feel about how well the Goverment protects us. I was simply stating that when I worked at BWI airport for two years and searched,x-rayed and did chemical testing on checked luggage it was NOT 100% full proof. I still dont see how that would be against site policy.I apologize for my statements if it is.
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Posted: 5/4/2002 11:19:45 PM EDT
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Neolock,
Yes, if you jump through all the hoops, it IS legal. Hi-cap mags are imported all the time; in fact, that's the PRIMARY source of the hi-caps on the market, except for a few exclusively domestic guns (i.e., Rugers) and AR15s. That's why the anti's are trying to ban ALL importation of hi-cap mags. M4, Yes, we are ALL well aware that smuggling of many contraband items continues, and that DEA, Customs, Immigration, and even Miami Vice don't catch them all. If this were not the case, the amount of drugs in this country (for example) would be significantly diminished. What's your point? That people could smuggle in mags? Sure. But mags are big, bulky, noisy, heavy, and not worth that much money, compared to, say, heroin or cocaine. Which is why it isn't done much. -Troy |
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