The rags want a nuke, if they don't already have one (or more).  They a not rational people so they will use it if they can.  I personally believe it is inevitable and will happen sooner rather than later.  (God help us all.)

Let us suppose for a moment that NY gets nuked by the vermin.  Say kill 50,000++++, much radiation induced disease and many to die as a result over next days and years, render Manhattan uninhabitable.  Way more than $50 billion in damage.  No more Wall Street.  No clear proof of who did it (but we would all know, wouldn't we?)  

1. Against whom do we retaliate and how?  Or do the striped pants set just wring their hands?

2. What would be the effect on next election?
  (NY being very Democrat, very liberal.)

3.  Would there be martial law?  Panic?  Economic collapse?  SHTF?

4. All other comments welcome.

My opinion as a New Yorker:

1. We go ape sh#t on the arab world (nuke style), hand wringers/leftists can go to Hell. Israel will be attacked at the same time, I'd bet.  They WILL use nukes to defend their territory.  Most of our "allies" will turn tail and run, all the while blaming the US for their own problems.  We will oblige many, many arabs in their quest for martyrdom.

2. The effect on the next election would be that NY's left-wing stronghold is now decimated, upstate regains the political power it should have anyway.  New York becomes a Republican leaning state.

3. There would be many tries for martial law, although the situation with the airports and stuff now are treading on that currently anyway.  NYC is a mini-police state today as it is.  Widespread panic, especially among those citizens who have depended on others to care for them (i.e. public assistance, "just dial 911 to be safe" type people).  Very possibly a degree of economic collapse because NYC is such a stronghold for business.  SHTF definitely in NYC metro area.  Hopefully Waverunner would be OK and watch his 6.

4. Although I'd like to see all leftist scum go away... far away, I certainly don't wish anything like that to happen.  After all, I might end up glowing in the dark too, even living in upstate.

good stuff here, from the FL Dental Journal, of all places!


Ultimate Health Crisis:  Nuclear Terrorism

by

Richard Masella, DMD


Bad news is unwelcome but necessary knowledge.  If ignored, the outcome is usually negative.  If recognized and managed, positive change may ensue.  In the field of health care, medical diagnoses can be psychologically devastating, with attendant treatments testing human endurance.  As with individuals, societies also face the prospect of difficult challenges, as witness the flowering of international terrorism.  So arises the present dilemma.  

Reality forces us to an unpleasant but irrefutable conclusion.  Analysis of years-old intelligence reports and application of common sense assure us that a nuclear attack will be perpetrated against the United States in the coming months or years.  Indeed, the issue is not if a terrorist enemy will use nuclear weapons against us, but when the dreaded act will occur.  In the telling words of President Bush, “Time is not on our side.”

According to Senate Intelligence Committee reports, nuclear terrorism on American soil is at least an eight-year-old prospect.  In the mid-1990s, these reports were typically buried on page 16 of major newspapers, and of course not found in mindless network televised news.  Steven Emerson, author of the book American Jihad, castigates the media and government for their lack of attention to the true Islamic terrorist threat.  Before September 11, he comments, “The public didn’t want to know the truth.  Most Americans remained immune because it wasn’t on the front page.”  The common
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parlance of “weapons of mass destruction” or “radiologic” weapons is apparently likewise perceived as more publicly palatable than the true descriptor “nuclear bomb.”

Speaking of the bomb, former Energy Secretary Bill Richardson of New Mexico states that a plutonium softball six inches in diameter, weighing 16 pounds, will suffice for destruction of a city center.  The extent of destruction, in personal and material terms, will dwarf the tragedy of September 11, with deaths ranging from 75,000 to 300,000 and injuries triple that amount.  The social, economic, political, and environmental impact will be 9-11 times 100.  Yet why disturb the reader with such terrible news?

Like a near-fatal but curable disease, the head-in-sand approach invites the most negative consequences.  The more this problem is swept under the rug, the deeper and longer the post-attack national depression and necessary recovery.  Will America survive such an attack?  Of course.  Will American society be permanently scarred and irreversibly changed?  Yes, but only as lack of psychological and material preparation rules the day.  National panic will be the greatest enemy.  It is critical to recovery that we view the nuclear night as surmountable and yielding to day in due course.  Despite the trauma to government, economy, and social order, we will survive the worst of the new barbarians, will endure as a nation, and return to prosperity.  But to be surprised by terrorist capabilities as on 9-11, given our present knowledge, is unacceptable.

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Emperor Bare
Besides providing a chilling reminder of the blood lust driving those who hate America, the events of September 11 clearly show the fragility of American society.  Institutions thought of as protected were revealed as all-too-vulnerable.  A society priding itself on
openness found itself an easy target.  The rush to extinguish the personal freedoms enunciated in the Bill of Rights, already in full retreat before 9-11, accelerates in the
desire for homeland security.  The greatest victim of virulent terrorism may well be the loss of personal freedom suffered by the American citizen.  If our system
is based on illusions of supreme power and the government’s ability to provide uninterrupted internal security and order, a reality refocus is indicated.      

Why Inevitable?
Three reasons justify an inescapable conclusion.  First, that nuclear weapons will
be used against America is not solely a function of terrorism but of historic precedent.
No nation ever used a weapon of war that eventually was not used against that nation.  A country employs weapons with the assurance that one day the circle of violence will be complete.  Fifty-seven years after the nuclear genie’s emergence and the annihilation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, our necks are exposed.

Second, in practical terms, it is impossible to prevent the smuggling of a six-inch sphere of anything into this nation.  Our borders are extensive, our ports of entry numerous, and all are porous.  It is physically not possible to man or seal the borders or ports to people
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or objects. Only 5% of goods shipped into America are examined.   If stolen cars can be smuggled out of the U.S. with regularity, then small packages of plutonium can move with impunity.

Now to availability.  Is it realistic that terrorists or nation-adversaries can purchase, steal, or develop nuclear weapons?  And how fine a job is done by the American and Russian
governments in safeguarding vast stockpiles of nuclear weapons or secrets?  Let’s look at home for one answer.  From its beginning in World War II, the U.S. nuclear
weapons program was infested with Soviet spies, who at Los Alamos brought out everything except the kitchen.  The espionage continues to this day with mis-management of top-secret electronic data bases containing the core knowledge of the U.S. nuclear weapons program.  

With some 30,000 nuclear bombs to manage, the chances are excellent that a Russian
scientist or guardian would provide one or more to well-financed terrorists or governments, or that a weapon could be stolen.   With legal or illegal access to technology, hostile governments such as Iraq, Iran, and North Korea are surely engaged in all-out efforts to develop nuclear weapons.  Chinese contribution to these efforts will hasten the process.  Motive and opportunity are requisites to murder and, sadly, present here in abundance.

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Where and When
Given the stated terrorist intention of destroying the American system, prime targets for nuclear attack will be locations susceptible to maximum physical, personal and psychological damage:  infliction of the greatest possible harm.  

As with 9-11, Washington and New York City vie as prime targets.  Destruction of national symbols such as the Capitol and White House and disruption of all branches of government, coupled with a near-death blow to the nation’s flagship city and economic heart, are consistent with terrorist aims.  But the redundancy in national government systems supposedly sufficient for continuation of essential functions may push the scales toward a New York epicenter.

Given the most sinister terrorist intentions, the attack will come between Monday and Friday during normal working hours.    

The frightening act of nuclear terrorism must be put in perspective. There is nothing unexpected or unusual here, in fact we closely follow the fate of history’s major powers.  International hatred and jealousy are ancient and formidable realities.  The lesson is re-learned that national resting on laurels is not permitted.  Challenges continue unabated, fortunes of state rise and fall.  The government’s capacity to provide domestic tranquility and social order, the underpinnings of a successful national economy, face severe
question with a return of homeland terrorist violence.  Unshakable faith in the Almighty
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coupled with the ability to adapt to reality and the will to mentally and physically prepare for any eventuality will carry us through.  

Speaking of reality, the ridiculous notion of “superpower” as descriptive of America should be banned from public discourse.  It promotes false security, unwarranted smugness, and the forementioned resting on accomplishments.  

Health Care Implications
Battle-tested public safety departments and public health services are preparing for the onslaught.  National health care mobilization will be necessary as local and regional capabilities are overwhelmed by the massive number and degree of injuries.  Dentists will play important roles in emergency triage, referral, and primary care services.    Dental  schools will be recruited as hospital-adjuncts in treating craniofacial wounds.  Forensic odontologists will face their greatest challenge and do their usual superb job in identifying casualties.  Legions of private practitioners will be necessary to meet health
care needs.  As Assistant U.S. Surgeon General and chief Public Health Service dental officer Dr. Dushanka Kleinman accurately states, “Enhancing the public health infrastructure depends upon the active participation of private practicing dentists.”

U.S. Policy
As yet unknown is the national policy in responding to threat or conduction of nuclear attack by adversaries.  If intelligence reveals impending use of nuclear weapons against
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America, will we conduct a preemptive conventional or nuclear strike?  Should the dreaded weapon be used on us, will a limited or broad-scale nuclear counter-attack be launched against Iraq, Iran, and North Korea, or other terrorist locations?  Since American citizens will be fighting and dying, public knowledge of this policy is a reasonable expectation.

Back to Basics
Owing to the general chaos attendant to such severe national trauma, it is likely that the system of daily life will stop working for a while.  Normal commerce will be interrupted.  Financial markets will take a heavy hit on top of their current non-stellar performance.  Utilities may be disrupted for weeks or months.  Fuel availability may decline as international oil producing countries express displeasure at America’s actions and as military needs take precedence, while fuel prices rise.  All forms of transportation will be exceedingly difficult.  Big city real estate values will fall as rural real estate appreciates.  Prudent families will stock two months supply of food and water and a like quantity of prescription medicines.  They will also keep enough cash on hand to see them through this same period while building up healthy stores of cooking and heating fuels.    

As depressing as the above is, with faith in God we will overcome all and fast return to our status as humanity’s beacon.  The nation of Japan well survived such a calamity.  We will do at least as well.  With unity of purpose and the courage to face evil and make necessary sacrifices, all mountains can be scaled.        
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Opportunity
When the nuclear bell tolls, may we be resolute in carrying out a just and forceful response, one that clearly joins the attempted destruction of our great nation with the complete elimination of our adversaries.  In this respect, a silver lining exists in the ability to clear the world’s decks of organized terrorism and hostile powers and gain security for generations thereafter.  Let the absurd voices of pacifism be ignored as we establish the future protection of our people.  The value of America as mankind’s greatest hope and the lives of our children and grandchildren demand no less.

-end-

Hummm....

There would be no way that the UN could stop the United States from seeking out who would have done it.  They could try.... but they would fail.

We would find out who in the governement are truely loyal to the US.  The 'cowards' and 'bleeding hearts' will try to yell for peace even though people know that 'the animals' will not stop till the entire Unites States is in ruins.  Sometimes, even if you want peace, the 'enemy' will not talk to you since in their minds, victory is when they are standing on your dead body and are urinating on your flag.  They started, we shall finish (I hope.)

Hopefully, the anti first amendment and second ammendment people will have their agenda kicked back for fifty years.  Military build up and possibly a draft... as it would be the United States of America verses the 'terrorist world and who ever supports it'.

Taxes or war bond sales will go up.  Conservation of resources for war.

Depending on the type of nuke (dirty or really big fire ball), the fall out.  If it lands on the US..... or heads to the sea.....

The FIRST thing we'd need to do is drive the corrupting inluence of Jewish lobbying orgs into the sea for forcing the world to hate us to begin with. After all, the Arabs don't hate Sweden, they hate us and with damn good cause.

We've been duped into paying for the bullets and tanks that those evil Isralis have been using unabated for decades as they invaded the middle east and slaughtered the native inhabitants.

When NY is nuked, and make NO mistake, it will be eventually, it will surely be chosen as much for its large Jewish population (more jews in NY than in Israel) as for any other reason.

The bible tells us that the great whore will be destroyed for causing the world to drink of her iniquity. The merchants of the world will weep at the sight, but it will be Gods revenge for her wickedness.

We have served Satan far too long and will reap a bitter harvest for our efforts.

So, sit back, flip on Jerry Springer and remember that God can use our enemies to humble us anytime that he pleases.

We can then moralize about how our people were blameless and scratch our heads that Arabs would feel so strongly about their own dead victims of Israeli/American aggression.

Jesred

We have been blamed for more in the Muslim/Arab world than just supporting Israel.  One example that comes to mind is the the war in Croatia.  Many Muslims believe that we waited as long as we did because we hate them.  I feel the the Arab/Muslim world needs an enemy in an effort to unite their medieval civilization. The typical us vs. them.

NY nuked?..... Ohhh New York... that $hit hole. You had me worried there for a sec. You should really pick something worth debating in favor of.

If there is any more terrorist attacks people will get feed up and throw all the Political correct, no racial profiling crap out the window.

Now I am nervous... need more guns!

Jim Beam....WHY do we feel the need to march into the lands of OTHER people and tell them how to live?

We have a society full of drug users, pedaphiles, whores, and homosexuals. Our illegitimacy rates are as bad as any primitive village in Africa.

We march in and tell folks that they have to treat their women in a certain way, yet our own damn women feel a need to inject plastic into their diseased bodies in order to "feel" like a piece of ass.

America screwed the pooch in Serbia as far as I'm concerned. Invading Albanians were murdering native Serbs. When the Serbs fought back, in we march.

I'm gonna laugh my ass off when the world gets involved in our coming war with the hordes of Wetbacks that have invaded this land. When the Mexicans decide to secede and join Mexico, we can't say a friggin' WORD, as we forced the Serbians to accept the same fate.

We are the same folks that forced the Shah of Iran onto the Iranians. After they deposed his rotten ass, we reinstalled his corrupt puppet regime and he then began murdering his own people.

They then took a mess of American hostages and WE, the perpetually phoney ones, acted surprised at their "hostility".

America will reap what she has sown. I only hope Americans understand WHY its coming.

Arabs didn't go out of their way looking for us, we went out of OUR way to stick our nose into THEIR lands. Now we are amazed that they've decided to take the fight to us.

Let me march a few millions hostile Jews into YOUR neighborhood, and as they drive your family from their homes in the name of "Gods Chosen" you too might want to blow a few of them up, and whoever might be helping them as well.

The middle eastern world, along with North Korea and likley the People's republic of China would become glass flored self lighting parking lots. The US would have a several months to a year of economic trouble, but then we would rise again, stronger then ever, luckily NYC isn't a major industrial center.

With a name like LEVI, I'm surprised you would say that about NYC.

With that said, I'm surprised you people think this country would rebound that quickly.

Most likely the world would enter into a depression, the likes of which we've never seen.  The US economy would shut down and people would be afraid to go to work and school.  Massive anti Arab retaliations would tax the country's policing ability to the limit as well as other people behaving as the end is near and looting and pilaging.  Martial law would probably immediately be declared in NYC and Waverunner would be head martial of the glowing Chinatown district.  

There'd be definate panic, as I saw following 9/11, people fled the city everyday.  The apartment buildings had moving vans in front of them every day  for a month and a half and at night, maybe only 1/3 of the building is lit up with inhabitants, other buildings are similar.  Assuming I lived (60th and Columbus), I'd probably fight my way out of the city HG Wells "War of the Worlds" style, praying my current tin foil hat was enough to protect me from my hair and nuts falling off, which it probably wouldn't.  Basically the ripple effect would devastate the world and we'd be cast into a nuclear war with every Arab state, just to make sure we got em all.  

I'd give the world 10 years to recover, depending on the speed in which another city in the US were able to step up and be the next Wall St.  

I'D HOPE THAT I WOULD BE AROUND TO SEE THE NEXT REPUBLICAN'S GET ELECTED BY REEEEAAAAAL NYERS!!!!

Post from Jesred -

Well, I know that would be a good enough reason for you to nuke it - you know you can't just hang onto this hate, before it warps you badly.

This gentleman is a perfect example of what can happen to you when you're filled with hatred.

Wow, what a confession!

Get it off your chest man! So you've served Satan for how long now?

Why? As far as I can tell [u]you[/u] don't understand much about Sept 11, the Arabs and Israel.

For the life of me, [b]Jesred[/b], I can't imagine why you didn't run off with 'Jihad Johnny' Walker, and go fight for the Taliban and their Arab guests, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, in Afghanistan, when you had the chance.

I mean you think that they're the good guys in all of this and that America deserved what it suffered on Sept 11.

Say it ain't so, Jesred!

Eric The(Prosecutorial)Hun[>]:)]

Economic Crash, Many dead or well on there way to dying.
Serious run on water, non perishables, gas, and...
Guns & Ammo! Stock up now!

All I can say is that if it happens there will be hell to pay. Nuclear retaliation would be inevitable, if it was state sponsered.
America will survive

Isreal has by no means done half of the stuff Jesred described. First of all, calling the Arabs "Native" is like calling the Chinks in America "Native". If anything, the Jews are the true "Natives". They had Isreal thousands of years before Islam even existed. BTW, Islam didn't come into being until the 7th Century AD. They (the jews) were displaced from Isreal by the muslims not the other way around.

How many of you realize that, the Muslim Empire began in a small area of Saudi Arabia. It spread out by moving west across North Africa until they had converted Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Morroco, Somolia, etc...Then, they moved North west into Europe taking all of Eastern Europe and they moved north from Africa occupying Spain. Had they not been stopped by Charles "The Hammer" they may well have overrun Europe. They were pushed back to the middle east and the Moors were pushed back to a small section of Spain which they held until the 16th Century A.D. before they were finally pushed back into Africa. Basically, the Arabs overran the entire civilized world.

So, by Jesred's description, the French and Spanish were wrong when they forced the the Muslims out. OH, the poor muslims. They only slaughtered the locals and displaced everybody from Saudi Arabia north. The Muslims slaughtered women and children. They killed anybody who refused to become a Muslim or anybody who refused to join their Holy War (Jyhad) against the Christians. This was few centuries before the first crusade in which a coalition of Holy Romans, French, Germans, and Brits won victory after victory pushing the Muslims back from the edge of Europe (Ur) before the liberation of Jeruselam from the Arabs. They remained in control until they were pushed out. They came back and the process repeated for many years with parts of Isreal changing hands. Then, a few hundred years later, the Ottomans pushed across the Middle East until they hit Constantinople (The Capital of the Eastern Roman Empire). The Muslims pushed all the way into the Balkans (Kosovo, Serbia, Bosnia, etc...) displacing the 2nd Roman Empire who then fled to Muscovy and established the 3rd Roman empire known as Kievan Rus and the called their leader the Tsar or Czar. The 3rd Roman Empire which had been displaced into Europe by the Muslim Invasion of the Balkans lasted until 1918. It was Russia and Poland.

Dude, you're letting yourself get entirely too stressed out.  Kick back, relax; put on some Wagner, have a nice glass of schnapps and spend a restful evening re-reading your dog-eared copy of Mein Kampf.  [:D]

I would say this hit the nail right on the head.  

Jesred, you obviously have a skewed version of world history.  And the use of the word "Wetbacks" concerns me.  I think you need to reshave your head, put your jackboots on, and come on down to Phoenix, Arizona.  Drop on in around 75 Ave and McDowell, and proclaim on the street corner your fundamental right to a major ass kicking.  I will watch from my patrol car.   I will even give you a ride to the hospital afterwards.  

The Hispanic Americans are some of the hardest working citizens of this country.  They have cultural problems, like any other culture.  Reality check.  This country stands for diversity and freedom.  Don't lose sight of that.

My two cents

Damn this thread got UGLY FAST...



Who else thinks that the Demos would use this as an opportunity to bring up further anti-gun legislation???

We all know that terrorists buy their nukes at American gun shows... [rolleyes]

Why New York???

I believe that they may try to nuke a city but I think they might try a different target.

New Yorkers are probably already very suspicious.

I would think they would try another big city like Los Angeles, Chicago or Philadelphia.

I think the psychological effect they want come from having a large number of dead. Other things are just secondary effects (e.g.- Disrupting Wall Street). While Wall Street, etc are targets, this alone would be short lived as other cities could become centers of trade in short time if necessary as New York is not the only trade center in this country, just the largest.

If NY is Nuked....
I95 will be a parking lot north of the Carolina's. The mass of refugee's spreading out of the cities will be huge. I live in an area thats the last undeveloped large area (for the most part) of space between Baltimore and NY. To the city dwellers trying to get out of Dodge this will look like the promise land. I'm thinking my biggest concern will be the squatters looting the stores and taking a dump in my back yard. I see having a plan to shut down the clover leaf leading off the interstate may be a needed.

As far as food and water I think I'll be ok, but my pets wellfare concern me. I have four dogs and a couple of cats that I can't afford to stockpile food for. Dry food goes bad pretty quick. Besides my wife won't wear a gas mask if they can't have one too. [peep] I think in a stressfull environment I might pray for death after being penned up for weeks with this crew before too long. [:)]

If NY is nuked:

1) My ass most likely will be grass.

2) If for some reason I do survive, I'll probably rack up some serious O/T checks, Since I know that 9mm basically just annoys panick stricken people my S&W 9mm handgun will be replaced by my AR15 and 12 Gauge Rem 1187.

3) Survivors? If any, those with guns(smart) will last longer than those(liberals) without.

4) Payback will be a bitch. Martial Law...yeah to protect all the unfortunate Arab/Muslim  American citizens that will now be targeted by a pissed off people.  Patriotic levels will fly off the charts, hopefully AMERICANS will do the right thing and join the fight instead of sitting there watching the fight on CNN.

What a charmer.

NYC nuked?
The complete collapse of the US and world economy, to the point of FAMINE within our borders.
Martial Law, and the end of most, if not all freedom.
It would be the end of the United States of America.

When idiots like levi and jesred blather on, rooting for the death of me, my family, our fellow Americans, and our Nation, I think they should be shunned.
But that's just me...

Those of you who think that we'd recover economically in a few months or even years are dead wrong.

It would take a decade, if we were lucky.
Depression, famine, war.

It's hard to imagine the economic chaos, from where we sit, today.
Try.

I think Tel Aviv would be the prefered target, but NYC had to be second on the list. I think we should strike back at the people bankrolling terrorism, the Saudi's.

Start shutting down their revenue streams, if they fear us, they will not support the bad guys anymore.

Jesred you worthless asshole,



We do not have a society "full" of these slime.  We have a few TV shows that tittilate us by parading the dregs of society.



Sounds like a personal problem, not a national problem.  What the hell does fake boobs have to do with anything like human rights?

Typical liberal-run screwup.  Clinton, not America.


The Ayatollya Kum-eneee (sp, who cares) might be a little surprised at this.


Don't include the rest of us with the peanut man, now only our second-worst president.



Actually, the Arabs [i]did[/i] come out of their lands to conquer most of europe, before they were beaten back by the crusaders.

 
This was the Jews' neighborhood before the Arabs drove [i]them[/i] out.

You're a waste of air.  My dog could make better use of your oxygen.

Frankly, I think Washington D.C. would be, a much more likely target, If they only have one nuke to pop.

New York, While important to the national economy, would not totaly cripple the United States ability to carry on, both economicaly and militarily.

All data from Wall Street is transmitted out of New York State Daily, The markets would be shut down until trading could resume, Probaby in the Chicago markets after a stabilization period.

The goverment would take great pains to aviod nation wide martial law. Martial law would probably be confined to the Eastern States with common borders to NY State. At least in the short term after an attack.

If the attack on NY came during a period of normal weather and wind pattern, the chances are about 70% that Nuclear Fallout from a ground burst weapon would be swept out into the Atlantic.

I think the 50.000 casualty figure is low, 500.000 dead is a more realistic figure if the attack came between 9am and 5pm on a week day, assuming a 10 Kt weapon. X4 that number wounded by flying projectiles, overpressure, and direct effect radiation casualties.

A massive national relief effort would be launched within hours.

National military conscription would occure within the month as the United States converted the economy to total war producion.

The united states would offer a 48 hour total surrender ultimatum to several Arab states. Stating that the actions of radical Islam, have in effect, forfieted their right to remain self governing, independant nations. They will be required to disband their militaries and turn total goverment control over to the world body of the United Nations.

There will be no debate. If the total surrender of these outlaw nations is not obtained within 48 hours.

The United states would attack about 36 targets in Iran and Iraq with nuclear weapons.

if NY got nuked?

it's pretty clear what would happen.
GLOBALIZATION.

who knows...maybe that's the plan.

First of all, why assume New York will be nuked?  Wouldn't Washington D.C. be a better target for terrorists bent on destroying this country?  Just imagine the havoc that would be created if those who "rule" us were taken out.  Now, if I can figure this out, can't our leaders?  And, if they know they are targets, wouldn't it make sense to nuke them first?  Since we don't know who "them" are, wouldn't it make sense to take out the capital cities of those five horrible countries that are in question?  IMHO...it's coming.  We either have to nuke them first...or start up the draft ....again.  The way I see it, that's our choices.  If and when they do get a nuclear bomb, they will use it on us....first and not wait one New York minute.  And, anybody who thinks "the Shadow government" can continue if the real government is gone...is totally naive.  They say the shadow government would insure that the Social Security checks go out and that sort of ridiculous stuff.  C'mon, give me a break.  If the terrorists hit Washington, D.C.......all bets are off.  With this scenario as a viable possibility, isn't it obvious to all that Bill Clinton did indeed destroy this country...with the help of his Democrat friends in Congress who refused to do their duty and throw him out of office.  What goes around...comes around.  Thank your Liberal friends and their whacky ideas for getting us into this mess.

If NYC got nurked?



Call 911.



ImbrogIio......Are you happy now?

I would venture a guess that Houston, the energy capital of the world, would be the likely target.  Total demolition of the oil and gas industries.  This will have a far greater impact on the national economy than the demise of the financial centers in NY.  Also, the environmental impact on the Gulf will far surpass the Valdez catastrophe.



 

i dont think they have a nuke, at least yet.  if they did, they would have used it by now.

The idea that these maniacs MAY have a single nuke is absurd.  They certainly have at least one by now- it's too easy not to.  What I believe they are waiting for is to have two or three, perhaps more (God forbid), nukes.  
 
 These are the same people who coordinated the WTC/Pentagon attack, and they know all too well the psychological concept of destroying multiple targets in a short time period.  
 
 Don't WONDER if it will be NYC or DC- it will most likely be BOTH.  A multiple nuclear strike of this sort would lead to chaos like this Nation has never seen- God help us all when this happens.  
 Perhaps after this, we can take our collective heads out of our asses, and make a massive nuclear attack on all foreign sponsors of organized terrorism.  
 
 GWB is a God-fearing man, as well as a brave man.  He has balls 50X as big as his wimpy father.  If anyone would nuke these rotten bastards till they glow, it would be him.  I don't see Rumsfeld, Powell, or Cheney standing in his way on this issue.

A most excellent novel on the start of WW3 and what happens the next day is "Alas Babylon" by Pat Frank. It was written in 1959 but the events are current. It's told from a survivors point of view. It's one of those "can't put it down till it's finished" type of books. My copy was bought in 1974 and was on its 28th printing!

Cc48510 at it again I see. Didn't we have this discussion before? The Romans destroyed the Temple and dispersed the Israelites after they rebelled once again, slaughtering the Roman garrisons. It is an event known as the Diaspora. Jews fled to the far corners of the earth (but mainly towards Rome itself). The Arabs had nothing to do with it. There was no Jewish state around at the time of the rise of the Arabs to do that to. What part of that don't you understand?

Also, Mr. History... the name is ISRAEL, with the 'A' before the 'E'. I don't know what Is-real is... your rap group? "cc48510 is real!"

Here is what I think would happen if NY gets nuked and 50,000+++ Americans are killed.

1.  I think the entire country would convert into a total war state.  Car factories would be converted into tank factories.  Our entire economy would be converted into a war economy.

2.  There would be a draft instituted, with millions of young American men being conscripted into the Army.

3.  Every single country in the Middle East would become a target.  We would probably invade and conquer certain countries in the Middle East (Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon).  Either that, or we'd drop strategic nukes on the population centers of all terrorist sponsoring states.

4.  The border would become instantly sealed.  No more foreigners coming into our country, period, with special cases for diplomats and other high-level exceptions.  Deploy the military on the Mexican border.

Jesred is right on this. He became Shah after his father abdicated back in 40s and ruled until Mosadeq came to power in '51. In '53 there was a coup (instigated by us and the Brits) and he was placed back on top (and more powerful than ever), ruling until the Iranian revolution of '78-'79. He did modernize Iran in much the same way Peter the Great modernized Russia, but he was very brutal. Khomeini was first arrested in '63 for speaking out against the Shah and thrown out of the country.



See what I said to cc48510 above please.

A single nuke on DC or NYC?  The country will carry on and I doubt there would even be a recession because the country would go on a total wartime footing.  There would also be huge amounts spent on cleaning and reconstruction.  I doubt that a 10kt nuke set off in downtown DC would even wipe out the Pentagon, and remember the military can carry on without the DC HQ, and they might even perform better without the Puzzle Palace.  But I would hate to be an Arab or Pakistani after such a bomb went off.  Much of the populations of those countries live in a few big cities.  Three MIRVed MX missiles can practically wipe out the Middle-East population.  Then we need our military to land and seize their oil fields.  I say we give Mecca and Medina to the Jews to administer and rule.  See how the Muslims like that.

GunLvr

Jesred

You seem to speak in absolutes.  For example you assume that everyone in America is a drug addicted whore or whore monger.  Diseased bodies where did you come up with that?  Everyone in America is Diseased? Even if you are speaking figuratively I don't think you are correct.

Sure we are not without sin in our international dealings. But we are not to blame for all of the arab/muslim worlds problems.  My experience has been that some people find it easier to blame others than to accept responsibility for their lives and try to better the situation.  

Don't forget your iodine tablets! Actually, I'm not too far away from an upstate NY nuclear plant. Enhanced security---except for the day when a male guard managed to shoot a lady guard in the foot while handling a gun a few months back(IIRC)in a guard booth. Wonder how that happened?

I don't think that they are capable of turning our reactors into nukes just yet, nor will they have the manpower to take over a plant considering the levels of recent security.  

As to the number dead, I'd assume a number closer to 700,000 atleast from the direct blast and following radiation.  Remember, in NYC there are roughly 4 million people in a 5 mile radius, and that's a conservative estimate (using the US Census Bureau's numbers to get my own estime).

I think we're looking at atleast that many dead from radiation and fallout, luckily the jetstream would blow it out to sea, but also northward into Mass, Conn and Maine.  Looks bigger than any attack we can conceive of.

[size=3]Ok, don't get me wrong, I'd be one of the first dead in an attack, but has anyone considered any optimistic approach to an attack and the state of our country afterwards?[/size=3]

I'm guessing that Darwin's theory of natural selection would once again rule the land and the weak would be weeded out.  Additionally, the country would no longer be about how much a politician could talk, but about what he's doing (assuming the gov is still working).  

Anyone consider the "Postman" type scenario where everyone has an M16 in a post apocalyptic America?  Doesn't look like such a bad place!  SHIT!  We'd still get our mail!

Yes, we all know how much of our country's food is grown and nationally distributed in NYC. the rest of your predictions aren't any more likely, either.

What he said.

Yes it does seem like that would be a bad place.  Marauding hordes of armed men raping and pillaging doesn't seem like somewhere I would like to live.  However, I would enjoy using those hordes for target practice.

So you mean we will finally see the end of Hillary, Bill, Chucky, et al?
I still do not think that it is a fair trade.

Seriously-if NYC is nuked, then we will long for the days since 911! It will not be pretty. It will not be short-lived. It will mean the destruction of people the world over on a scale that we have not seen for some time. In short order, too many bad things would be upon us to even start to mention. If nothing else, NYC will need a sh*tload of screen doors and a new paint job just for starters.

How much container traffic goes through the Port of New York anymore? And how much goes to Jersey?

These guys are suicidal, so they could do anything, but the most likely thing is that the bomb would come in a shipping container buried at the bottom of a conatiner freighter and it would be set to go off by timer. It would go off either on the docks or in the harbor depending on delays, ect.  They know we are watching, this method means that no "suspicious" persons have to be around the bomb at all to give it away.