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Posted: 2/28/2002 3:42:02 PM EDT
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And he didn't take the freebie they offered him. Way to go Mr. Weigand! Two BIG thumbs up from me![beer]
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Posted: 2/28/2002 3:48:07 PM EDT
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That should show companies that if you mess with us gun owners, you will soon have a shit storm on your hands. Good going everyone.
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Posted: 2/28/2002 3:55:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: That should show companies that if you mess with us gun owners, you will soon have a shit storm on your hands. That is the most eloquent thing I've read all day.[:D] |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 4:08:04 PM EDT
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I think it sums the outcome up pretty well. Besides, I'm not known for eloquence.
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Posted: 2/28/2002 4:39:17 PM EDT
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I was listening to the Brian Wilson show last night and he made a good point. If we can get the shooting community this fired up over the Dell incident, why can't we get the same energy put into defeating bad legislation and freedom-robbing politicians?
Makes sense to me. If you don't like what Dell did, give your business to someone else - no big deal. Don't like what the gov. is doing, well, too bad. |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 5:05:02 PM EDT
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Im getting ready to buy another computer.
I will not be a dell..... dude A lot of reasons but whats be talked about here solidifies the decission. |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 5:21:36 PM EDT
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someone posted this at glocktalk.com
[url]http://www.progressivefunds.com/hci/[/url] Dell donates to HCI |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 5:45:56 PM EDT
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And the interesting thing about the Wired article is that it's written by Declan McCullagh. I met him at the NRA range one time where he and his girlfriend were shooting 'her' (because he lived in DC and she lived in VA) new Bushmaster Dissipator. It was having some reliability issues and I suggested that it needed a good cleaning and referred him to this site for information on cleaning and troubleshooting.
Maybe there's a reason that Wired picked up on this story... |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 5:56:56 PM EDT
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It's amazing how fast this situation became such a big deal. Just goes to show you how powerful the internet can be. Maybe this will show companies that they should think before they piss off gun owners.
"Don't make me make you!"[:(!] |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 6:05:52 PM EDT
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someone posted the story at Sturmgewher too.
[url]http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/general.cgi?read=14124[/url] |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 6:15:43 PM EDT
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Dell gave the man a reasonable explanation and an apology and offered him a free computer. I hope anyone who sent emails to Dell criticizing them will send them retractions. It was an honest mistake by what appears to be an honorable company owned by a fair minded man.
[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=96785[/url] |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 6:26:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: Dell gave the man a reasonable explanation and an apology and offered him a free computer. I hope anyone who sent emails to Dell criticizing them will send them retractions. It was an honest mistake by what appears to be an honorable company owned by a fair minded man. Maybe you didn't see or realize that Dell has given computers to HCI in the past. Sounds like an anti gun agenda that they couldn't stand behind this time. This is the last Dell I buy. My friend ordered a Gateway today after cancelling HER order for a Dell. Screw Dell, they don't deserve our business. |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 6:34:37 PM EDT
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So we must all live in the wild foraging for food wearing only the skin that God gave us for fear that some of our money might end up in the hands of people who don't like guns.
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Posted: 2/28/2002 6:41:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: someone posted the story at Sturmgewher too. [url]http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/general.cgi?read=14124[/url] Your missing the point Suckebe....look at the above link. They support HCI. When companies do this we can only do one thing, vote with our money and let them know they are pissing us off. |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 6:41:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: So we must all live in the wild foraging for food wearing only the skin that God gave us for fear that some of our money might end up in the hands of people who don't like guns. I think it is wise and prudent not to give money to your enemies, when there are reasonable alternatives. |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 6:42:36 PM EDT
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Dell gave the man a reasonable explanation and an apology and offered him a free computer. I hope anyone who sent emails to Dell criticizing them will send them retractions. It was an honest mistake by what appears to be an honorable company owned by a fair minded man.
What reasonable explanation??? They blamed it on US Export laws, to Pennsylvania!!!!! |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 7:18:22 PM EDT
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You might view Dell's response as honorable but it is just spin. They blather about export regulations and then when pressed have no real answer. To try and buy back some goodwill with a free computer may be smart but it doesn't qualify for honorable. The fact that Dell products are on an HCI shopping site is not good news but by itself is not a litmus test failure. What is a failure is their obvious squirming over this which leads me to believe they feel the safer side of the issue is anti and that they have no issue except selling computers. If you cannot hold a view when it is unpopular then you are just an opportunist.
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Posted: 2/28/2002 8:23:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: someone posted the story at Sturmgewher too. [url]http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/general.cgi?read=14124[/url] Your missing the point Suckebe....look at the above link. They support HCI. When companies do this we can only do one thing, vote with our money and let them know they are pissing us off. I think I get the point. Don't buy anything from a company that is anti gun or any company that may employ people who are anti gun. Don't buy from companies who do business with companies who are anti gun or may employ people who are anti gun. Don't associate with people who are anti gun or may themselves associate with people who are anti gun. live your life focused on one single issue and think about nothing else lest other pro gun people might believe they are more pro gun than you. Think exactly like you do or be something less than you. Is that about right? I thought so. BTW it's [b]Sukebe[/b] not Suckebe or is that a lame attempt to insult me? Surely a person of your intellect can do better than that. Please tell me that is not all you have in you bag of wit. Are you so empty headed that the only insult you can come up with is a sophomoric play on words? |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 8:41:42 PM EDT
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It's also in the Washington Post website
[URL]http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/174830.html[/URL] |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 9:22:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: And the interesting thing about the Wired article is that it's written by Declan McCullagh. I met him at the NRA range one time where he and his girlfriend were shooting 'her' (because he lived in DC and she lived in VA) new Bushmaster Dissipator. It was having some reliability issues and I suggested that it needed a good cleaning and referred him to this site for information on cleaning and troubleshooting. Maybe there's a reason that Wired picked up on this story... Doesn't this belong in the "15 minutes of fame" thread...[;)] |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 9:34:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: I was listening to the Brian Wilson show last night and he made a good point. If we can get the shooting community this fired up over the Dell incident, why can't we get the same energy put into defeating bad legislation and freedom-robbing politicians? Makes sense to me. If you don't like what Dell did, give your business to someone else - no big deal. Don't like what the gov. is doing, well, too bad. _______________________________________________________________________________ Now is the time to get off yur asses and get to work. Don't like it then change it, get a new government. Work to get the Perattas and the Boxers and the Fiensteins out of office. Let people know what these people are about and it is not the people's interest. It will take long hours and hard work. The question is are you ambitious enough to make it happen. Do you have the guts to make it stick. __________________________________________________________________________________ Thump a democrat -- they deserve it![stick] |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 9:44:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: someone posted this at glocktalk.com [url]http://www.progressivefunds.com/hci/[/url] Dell donates to HCI Let me clarify. Dell participates in an affiliate program run by Linkshare.com. People can sign up with an affiliate account and place links to Dell. Any purchases made through that link will generate a commission back to the affiliate account holder. Looking at the links that site is using, there is no way to tell which organization's page was used to click-through to Dell. What's likely happening is that whoever set up that page is pocketing the money or splitting it between the organizations. Dell is NOT sending donations to HCI. To say they are would be like me saying you support HCI if you paid someone to do some work for you and they donated some of that money to HCI without you knowing about it. Or that a company supported HCI if their employees donated to them. Besides, it's highly unlikely that there's ANY money being generated by those links. I did a search on Google and it did not find any web sites linking to their page. I don't know if Michael Dell is anti-gun or not, but trying to say that the Dell company donates to HCI because of a link on a webpage is absurd. Using that logic, they also donate to the National Republican Convention Committee ([url]www.groupfunds.com/nrcc/index.html[/url]) and the Christian Coalition ([url]www.groupfunds.com/cc/index.html[/url]). |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 9:46:09 PM EDT
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The NRA's Institute of Legislation Action maintains an extensive [url=http://www.nraila.org/FactSheets.asp?FormMode=Detail&ID=15]list of companies[/url] with PROVEN anti-gun connections. Dell isn't on it (yet!). Since the NRA isn't known for flying off the handle with every new internet rumor, I'm reserving judgement on this particular case until I see some verifiable evidence (and yes, I'm aware of Dell's alleged fundraising connections to HCI, which also were apparently not credible enough to land them on the NRA list).
Going off half-cocked can do just as much damage to the RKBA cause as ignoring an important issue. Never fire until you're certain of your target, gentlemen. |
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Posted: 2/28/2002 9:46:44 PM EDT
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I was going to buy a Dell, Not any more... or anyone in my family if I can help it.
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Posted: 3/1/2002 8:33:40 AM EDT
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It's also in the Austin American-Statesman:
[url]http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/friday/business_1.html[/url] |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 9:58:23 AM EDT
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Lots of good info. on Dell's own talk forum.
[url]http://delltalk.us.dell.com/messages/overview.asp?page=1&name=cs_general[/url] They have disabled the ability to get a user name and post and are even deleting post. |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 10:59:56 AM EDT
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Gateway CEO Ted Waite contributed $100,000 to pass Prop. 39 in CA, which made it easier to pass property tax increases. In Jan. of this year Moody's cut Gateway's credit rating to "junk" status.
So IMHO Gateway is out of favor too for putting the burden of taxes on property owners. Personally I wouldn't vote for any tax increase or bond issue not matter what it is for, yes even gun safety. If SS funds are used to balance the budget and kept off the books federally and my state gas taxes are used the same way, obviously we have a trust issue that only starvation will cure. |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 1:52:08 PM EDT
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Hey Dude! Dell can go to hell!
Many of the companies on that list are KNOWN leftist and anti second ammendment. Why should we put the burden on ourselves to "prove" any accused company isn't our enemy? Why?? If they want our business they can prove to us that they are indeed pro second ammenment! Prove it! Otherwise my money goes elsewhere. The onus is on the seller. Not the buyer. |
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Posted: 3/1/2002 2:47:43 PM EDT
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DELL has shut down their forum server.......
either that or it is a poweredge that took a dump... dave In light of the statement by their legal dept, I will cease and desist. If nothing else surfaces in the near future, I will reverse my personal boycott. I am glad, I really did not want to buy Compaq. I will post the same on the Dell forum when it is accessable again. |
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Posted: 3/2/2002 4:16:48 PM EDT
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Sales Filter
Software Helps U.S. Companies Avoid Selling to Terrorists http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/TechTV/techtv_softwarescreen020301.html "Companies that use Vastera's product include [b]Dell Computer[/b], Microsoft, Lucent Technologies, and Novell." The headline was a sidebar to another ABCNews article lined in another thread about the pissy French and their opinion of the US (can you say "As IF?) Now THIS is AR15.com [blue][i]synergy[/i][/blue] |
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