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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:52:39 AM EDT
So the other day I picked up a load of scrap steel.......
 and while I was there, I looked around, and saw HUNDREDS of 'Cash for Clunkers' cars, just lined up, waiting for their final trip.......... Here is some of them.....       I have more photos, but you get the idea. This one junk yard, recycling center has approx. 800 of these. Some are in excellent condition, at least were, before the engines were seized/destroyed. Leather interior  I asked a few questions, They cannot sell the whole vehicle, but can sell all/any parts, except engine, (which is useless, anyway) Trans, body panels, glass, doors, electronics, suspensions, - all available. And because they have so many of them, parts are cheap. But this will not last forever, as the source, the Cash for Clunkers deal is over. These cars have to be disposed of within 180 days (6 months +/-) So, soon they will start crushing them, here...........  Turning this  into this.  and sending it 'away'  15 to 20 at a time.  So, some math. Here is approx. 22 cars. These are not actual clunkers, but its the same idea. These do not have motors or trans. About 25 tons of scrap, mostly steel. Value $135 /ton delivered to Boston area. Goes in a shredder, turned into steel 'peanuts' into a ship, sold to China, or wherever. 25*$135 = $3375 per load. Delivery costs $ 750 +/- so Net = $2625 When we do the 'clunkers' with engines, approx 16 cars/load. (Same weight) So we have a system that turns 16*$4500 = $72,000 of OUR tax money, govt funds, into $2625 of profit for the junk yard. (Plus whatever parts they sell before crushing) $72,000 + .gov = $2625    So the next time you see me, or my brothers, nationwide, rolling down the highway, with a load of 'junk' cars, Just think, WE ALL paid $72,000 for that pile of scrap, that's going to China, to come back, as 'new' stuff, or not. A lot of the scrap stays in China, as 'I' beams for construction. Makes me feel better every time I see my neighbor driving his new Toyota, that he got a $4500 'discount' on. And now they want to run health care!!! No, I don't haul coffins, yet.  Hows that ' Hope and Change' working for you now?  imho ymmv Any questions? |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:54:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:55:29 AM EDT
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destruction of wealth on an epic level!!!!
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:56:28 AM EDT
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I need some A/C parts for my Jeep, you think they would mind if I paid a visit with a small toolbox ?
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:57:04 AM EDT
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Most of those are newer and nicer than my daily driver.
ETA: is there a list of locations with those cars available? I'm sure there are plenty of usable parts on them. |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:57:09 AM EDT
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Yeah those couldn't be better used as cars for meals on wheels or shelters or even welfare folks. Idiots.
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:57:23 AM EDT
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That idiot Obama is doing to the economy what that press does to those vehicles.
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:57:35 AM EDT
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It would seem like if you stripped them and sold the parts on used parts market, crushed only the empty chassis, you could make much more money.
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:58:27 AM EDT
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destruction of wealth on an epic level!!!! Sadly, all too true. |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:58:56 AM EDT
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those are some decent jeeps
dumbshits could have sold them for more than $4500 easy |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:59:11 AM EDT
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disgusting
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:59:20 AM EDT
[#11]
Damn, I'd like to have one of those Grand Cherokees. Those "clunkers" are nicer than what I drive. Your gov't at work.
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:59:23 AM EDT
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We did 234 clunker deals. I was appointed the Clunker Czar.
Lots of work. Lots of Frustration. Last one approved for payment by the .GOV on Thursday of last week. |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:59:24 AM EDT
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I drive a `95 honda civic with 200k miles. I would gladly have paid cash of $2250 for the .gov's $4500 give-away.
This is infuriating. |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:00:17 AM EDT
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I thought the libs were all about Reduce/Reuse/Recycle...Oh wait, unless it's for Evil SUVs....
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:00:47 AM EDT
[#15]
Yeah it's an outrage.
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:01:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:03:15 AM EDT
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I asked a few questions, They cannot sell the whole vehicle, but can sell all/any parts, except engine, (which is useless, anyway) Define, "whole vehicle". If they just take the engine out of it, then they could sell that, correct?? |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:03:34 AM EDT
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I would of killed for something that nice at 16! |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:03:36 AM EDT
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remember this thread the next time hear one of those commercials on the radio encouraging you to donate your vehicle.
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:03:44 AM EDT
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Every single one of those is in better condition (and much newer) than any of my vehicles.
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:04:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: Most of those are newer and nicer than my daily driver. ETA: is there a list of locations with those cars available? I'm sure there are plenty of usable parts on them. Just contact your local junk yard. These clunkers are everywhere. This yard is in Podunk NH, and they had 800. Ask around, and start bargaining, 'cause they all gotta go in 180 days. |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:05:44 AM EDT
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Alot of those look better than mine, which I'm still driving! (250,000 miles & still going strong)
Hessian-1 
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:06:22 AM EDT
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those are some decent jeeps
dumbshits could have sold them for more than $4500 easy THIS. It's the owners' damned fault, being stupid enough to do the trade.... |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:06:40 AM EDT
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now do they pour a mixture to kill the engine so people don't cheat?
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:06:48 AM EDT
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Quoted:
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I asked a few questions, They cannot sell the whole vehicle, but can sell all/any parts, except engine, (which is useless, anyway) Define, "whole vehicle". If they just take the engine out of it, then they could sell that, correct?? And if so where do I find a list of places that have them? |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:07:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I asked a few questions, They cannot sell the whole vehicle, but can sell all/any parts, except engine, (which is useless, anyway) Define, "whole vehicle". If they just take the engine out of it, then they could sell that, correct?? No, I asked. Can sell 'all' the parts, but not the 'whole' vehicle. Ya gotta remember, teh .gov invented teh rulz |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:07:49 AM EDT
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sickening
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:08:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:09:14 AM EDT
[#29]
That is <CoC Violation> disgusting what was done..
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:09:44 AM EDT
[#30]
They ought to just pull the trashed motors and sell the rest as a roller/parts wagon.
I need to find a place like that near me though - there's quite a few S-10/Blazer parts I'd like to get a hold of. A ZR-2 roller would be perfect. |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:09:54 AM EDT
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We are the dumbest country in the world.
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:10:18 AM EDT
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http://www.atr.org/presidential-math-cash-clunkers-spent-billion-a3816#
It's been posted here before but click and prepare to be outraged further.
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:10:34 AM EDT
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That idiot Obama is doing to the economy what that press does to those vehicles. This. |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:11:33 AM EDT
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Those are in much much much better shape than my 14 year old beat to hell Toyota Corolla.
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:12:44 AM EDT
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Have you ever put a dead hooker in the trunk of a car and then had it crushed?
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:12:56 AM EDT
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Just bringing the "Creative Destructionism" home.
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:14:01 AM EDT
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http://www.atr.org/presidential-math-cash-clunkers-spent-billion-a3816# It's been posted here before but click and prepare to be outraged further. Oh, it gets worse. NPR had a recent story on the CforC fallout. Choice quote: LANGFITT: But she doesn't think it was so good for the Detroit car companies it was designed to help. Darvish says most of her customers traded in American clunkers for foreign cars. She says that will come back to haunt Detroit.
Ms. DARVISH: When these customers get back into the trade cycle again, they're not going to go back to a Detroit domestic vehicle. Take Toyota, for example. I mean, their loyalty is almost 80 percent. So we know that at least 80 percent of those customers will end up staying in a Toyota product. LANGFITT: So do you think Cash for Clunkers actually helped General Motors and Chrysler? Ms. DARVISH: Oh, absolutely not. |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:15:40 AM EDT
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So how is this helping the environment, or the they economy, again?
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:18:32 AM EDT
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So how is this helping the environment, or the they economy, again? Think of all the fuel efficient vehicles on the road today as a result! 
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:21:37 AM EDT
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I fucking hated this program with every fiber of my being.
But as a junkyard scrounger, it has been a bounty for me. My toyota 4x4 now has a set of Lexus seats in it (comfy), brake upgrades and a bunch of other misc stuff. If they hadn't roached the motors, I would be elbow deep in the process of shoehorning a lexus V8 in my truck too. The girlfriends Lexus is pretty much getting the entire interior replaced with newer, unripped leather seats out of the many clunkers. But seeing late model BMWs and Benzes (and a corvette) and row after row of SUVs that are nicer then what I daily drive just makes me want to scream. There are at least 30 cars in the local yard that I would have paid way more then $4,500 for. No one has been able to answer me as to if the engines are rebuildable. Thought about tearing into one to see if it just the bearings that are roached or if all the oil passages are now filled with glass. The yard said they would sell me one if I wanted to try.. As cheap as a lot of the parts are being sold (CFC parts are 1/2 price), I have been thinking about pulling parts and reselling them, but I have no idea what would move in today's market. |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:23:31 AM EDT
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Good post OP...
It reminds me of a FDR & New Deal story I read, where they wanted to support pork prices. Their opinion was that the best way to stop freefalling prices was to reduce the supply. Sounds good, but to reduce the supply they decided to slaughter A LOT of pigs, bury them and pay the farmers whatever. So, in the middle of a depression where people were often legitimately hungry (unlike today), they paid good tax money to destroy the "excessive" pigs at a time when the population could have enjoyed lower prices. |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:27:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: Yes, the VIN is blacklisted... Can never be registered again.Quoted: Quoted: I asked a few questions, They cannot sell the whole vehicle, but can sell all/any parts, except engine, (which is useless, anyway) Define, "whole vehicle". If they just take the engine out of it, then they could sell that, correct?? No, I asked. Can sell 'all' the parts, but not the 'whole' vehicle. Ya gotta remember, teh .gov invented teh rulz Got to watch a guy buy an entire Tacoma the other day except for the engine and firewall. Took all the sheetmetal (they sawzalled the roof and floorpan off), interior, wiring and drivetrain except for the long block. I think there was a fair amount of shenanigans going on with the program. The car I pulled my seats out of was freshly detailed and had dealer "used car" paperwork in it. Have some suspicion that when people were coming in with a car the dealer could sell on their used lot (rather then wholesaling it) for more then $4,500, they would substitute a car off the used lot or out of the back lot (cars waiting to go to the wholesalers). Just for kicks, I looked up the values on some of the clunkers. One of the BMWs that was killed had a wholesale value of $16,000, a benz that was worth $15,500 and the vette was worth ~$9,000. People (and the government) are fucking stupid. |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:28:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I asked a few questions, They cannot sell the whole vehicle, but can sell all/any parts, except engine, (which is useless, anyway) Define, "whole vehicle". If they just take the engine out of it, then they could sell that, correct?? And if so where do I find a list of places that have them? Just contact your local junk yard. These clunkers are everywhere. This yard is in Podunk NH, and they had 800. Ask around, and start bargaining, 'cause they all gotta go in 180 days. |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:29:33 AM EDT
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We are the dumbest country in the world. No..."we" elected the dumbest politicians in the world, and the Supreme Dipshit at the head of it all. |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:29:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Most of those are newer and nicer than my daily driver. ETA: is there a list of locations with those cars available? I'm sure there are plenty of usable parts on them. Just contact your local junk yard. These clunkers are everywhere. This yard is in Podunk NH, and they had 800. Ask around, and start bargaining, 'cause they all gotta go in 180 days. Yup...a local scrap yard that I use says they have 1200+ CFC cars |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:30:55 AM EDT
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Those all looked ALOT better than what I drive
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:30:58 AM EDT
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lot of nice looking grand cherokees there.
wouldn't mind getting one with the 5.2 to tool around in |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:32:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:32:59 AM EDT
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It's infuriating what this administration is doing to our country. Where is it going to stop?
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:37:30 AM EDT
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Look at all that created wealth. When I get home I'm going to put $20 in my left pocket, take it out, put it in my right pocket and see how much money I have.
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