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Posted: 2/11/2002 5:13:33 PM EDT
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The very idea that the American media elites have, that their duty as reporters comes before their duty as citizens is absurd!
The next time we have a conscription in this country for military duty, all members of the media should be moved to the front of the induction line! But let someone reporter such as Daniel Pearl of The Wall Street Journal get in trouble in some hotspot in the world and watch the media beg the military to go in and rescue their colleague! A-holes! And they look down their snotty little noses at the Second Amendment! Eric The(EliteMediaTypesShouldBeTheFirst'ToTheWall'InCaseOfSHTFScenarios!)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 2/11/2002 7:18:30 PM EDT
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Like I told Eric, when they get their prissy little asses in a sling & start sreaming for help, let em' die slow! Bastards. Bet that WSJ guy is wishing he took the Enron beat instead of racing around Pakistan doing the James Bond schtick with a bunch of cutthroats. If he still has a pulse,that is. Dumbass.
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Posted: 2/11/2002 7:31:28 PM EDT
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Journalistic integrity = [b]BULLSHIT[/b]
They are FAR more interested in getting the story out before their competition does, than they are with making sure the information is accurate, and complete. Yes, they should have freedom of the press, but they need to be accurate, and [b]UN BIASED[/b] It pisses me off when I hear a reporter toss a negative spin on something by saying "critics disagree", or "critics say blah blah blah" without stating [b]who[/b] these critics are, and [b]why[/b] they say blah blah blah. And no,....a reporter on scene when American soldiers are lying on the ground in agony has no buisiness getting in the way, filming a wounded or dead soldier so that soldier's Mom can see him dying on CNN. I think if I were there,....I'd drop the camera and see if I could do something to [b]help[/b] that downed soldier. |
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Posted: 2/12/2002 2:45:27 AM EDT
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Madmedic,
I'd drop the camera and see if I could do something to help that downed soldier. Right on. |
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Posted: 2/12/2002 3:08:56 AM EDT
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What I would like to know, is if the reporter knew that the enemy was ahead waiting in ambush, would the US gov. charge them with aiding and abeding the enemy?
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Posted: 2/12/2002 3:17:23 AM EDT
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I work for a Security Company in the greater Seattle area. Two years ago there was a fatal shooting inside the building that controls the dock where I was pulling shift tonight. I was told by the property manager this evening that the verdict in the trial for the accused in the homicide was released today. I had to deal with the biggest egos of my life today. (And I know egos, was in 3/75th for 3 years.) I had five different reporters telling me that I was violating their constitutional rights by not letting them onto private property to take video for the six 'o clock evening news. I told them all to piss off, and proceeded to explain that as per property manager's instructions no recording equipment was allowed on site. Just then one of the reporters tried to jump the fence with his camera. I had to jump onto the fence too and pull him down. In the process he dropped his $65,000 (allegedly) camera, and it broke into a million pieces. I immediately called Seattle Police Department and the man was arrested after cleaning up his broken camera amidst threats of suing me for destruction of property. The cops laughed at him and told him it was his fault, and all the other reporters turned their cameras on him. (maybe he made the 6 'o clock news, hehe.)
So I don't understand where these reporters think that they are somehow better than the rest of us and are privileged to have "more" rights because they all wear a piece of paper with "Press" written on it in their fedora's. Sometimes we need to remind them that they are human just like the rest of us. |
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Posted: 2/12/2002 5:13:05 AM EDT
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Kadar,
Thanks for doing that, you made my day! Yeah! your story gave me a hope! |
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Posted: 2/12/2002 7:10:14 AM EDT
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So if you're on the front, and you see Peter Jennings and Dan Rather wandering out on a mine field as they go to get the enemy's story, your dilemma is this:
You and your men will have to work your way through that field to engage the enemy (for some reason you can't go around it) before they can set up their mortars, let's say. Now, Jennings and Rather (whose journalism ethics question was about this) spotted, but didn't alert you to, the enemy. Somebody in your unit saw the bad guys. So do you have an obligation to warn these fellows about the danger they are treading in? Or does the obligation to the safety of your men dictate that you let Rather & Jennings clear a couple of mines, to make it a little less dangerous for your unit to proceed? |
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Posted: 2/12/2002 8:32:10 AM EDT
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Huh? Are you people daft? It's the media, however bad that they are, that is giving lowly civilians any sense at all of what is going on over there in our names. If the military were allowed to run wild (as they almost are), imagine what mischief (think atrocities) might take place. "We're at war, so anything goes" is just a convenient justification for fascists to do as they please.
In past wars, the media had lots more access to the front lines. I refrain from calling this bullshit a war, it is really just a big dog & pony production put on to make the government look like it is doing something useful, which it is not. You'll know when it's a war--when planes loaded with body bags start coming home. Until then, try not to pay any attention to the garbage that passes for news these days. |
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Posted: 2/12/2002 9:24:10 AM EDT
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[soapbox]
Trickshot may be you don't want a military that runs wild but I do. I want an Army that kills soldiers dead first time every time. I want Marines that destroy the will of the enemy to do battle with us. I want an Air Force that will bomb the enemy civilization back to the stone age. I want a Navy that seals the ocean supply lines and starves the enemy country into submission. This isn't a social problem that can be worked out across a table, it's a war and needs to be terrible, upsetting, and wild else they will become too common. (Loosly quoting someone there) It is war, and like love, there are very very few rules. One of the major reasons that Viet Nam was so costly (it wasn't a failure of the military but one of a failure of policy) was that the military was held back. I'm not talking about letting the military rape and pillage but of following their doctrines and the rules of engagement. (which are approved by civilians after all) The military is made up of finer citizens than the general population as a whole. They do have their problems but no where near the amount that the civilian population has. Killing people and breaking things isn't easy work and yes, mistakes do happen and the wrong people are killed and the wrong things are broken. But how dare you accuse our military of being fascists that are only held back by the media. You suffer your hate on them. The media are a bunch of pricks from my 20 years of working with them. Prima donnas concerned about image over substance and easy fluff over hardcore work. They push their liberal addenda with every chance they get including making the military look evil at every turn. How many Japanese school girls got raped last year by marines? You'd know every one of them from the weeks worth of coverage. Real evil those marines and I know they got what was coming to them from the fine Japanese and UCMJ justice systems. How many tens of thousands of dollars were raise for the Japanese, how many orphanages were built, how many thousands of pints of blood were donated after the last Japanese earthquake? You're not going to see these stories as it doesn't further the addenda of diverting federal tax dollars from military spending and into duplicate social programs. If I hadn't been watching for 20 years this thread of journalism it might not mean so much to me. Sort of like the liberal media's treatment of the lawful use of firearms, showing them used in traditional hunting roles, or by the scouts to earn merit badges. You're simply not going to see these stories. Guess I am daff because I trust the officers and men of the military more than the journalist. Your milage may vary. |
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Posted: 2/12/2002 9:45:43 AM EDT
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I refrain from calling this bullshit a war, it is really just a big dog & pony production put on to make the government look like it is doing something useful, which it is not. You'll know when it's a war--when planes loaded with body bags start coming home. Shame on Bush for not getting more Americans killed. [rolleyes] |
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Posted: 2/12/2002 9:51:52 AM EDT
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Let us remember that, before the Second amendment, there lies the First. These Rights come with responsibility, and the media in general, usually fails to exercise their responsibility, to our troops. While I don't agree with their tactics, they are doing a job. If no one watched the evening news, or picked up a paper, they wouldn't be in business. They do these things because society allows them.
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