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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:21:26 AM EDT
How the hell do I do a poll? I thought I could do a poll if I bought a membership, but I don't see the option...wtf.
Never Mind...found the Poll Button! 
At any rate... Is he guilty of treason? Pure, simple treason. If you think that he and his friends are trying to undermine the true will of the Constitution and the people of the country, you KNOW what the answer is. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:22:54 AM EDT
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Go into edit and there is a button to add a poll
and No not yet. do I think he is treasonous? Yes, |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:24:13 AM EDT
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Not treason, but definitely a Subversive.
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:24:31 AM EDT
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No........and stupidity is not a chargeable offense else bush and mccain would have been convicted.
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:26:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: ......a Subversive. Yes 5sub |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:27:42 AM EDT
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Go into edit and there is a button to add a poll and No not yet. do I think he is treasonous? Yes, Good way to look at it. You need to remember that Bill Ayers and others are part of that family...crazy cousins or not...and is/was DEFINITELY guilty of treason. Do you think Obama REALLY wants to uphold and protect the Constitution? |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:30:36 AM EDT
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Not yet.
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:31:56 AM EDT
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How can he 'Protect and Defend' the Constitution when he's using it as toilet paper? 
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:42:34 AM EDT
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The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
We pretty much have to be at war for someone to be guilty of Treason in the USA. A real war, with a defined enemy. You'll have to catch him selling arms to the Taliban to use specifically against US troops for that to happen. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:48:18 AM EDT
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GD continues it's downward spiral to absolute dumbfuckery. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:50:16 AM EDT
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GD continues it's downward spiral to absolute dumbfuckery. You mean me or the OP's concept? |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:52:19 AM EDT
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GD continues it's downward spiral to absolute dumbfuckery. Yep sure has
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:52:54 AM EDT
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No more so than most of the house & senate.
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:53:59 AM EDT
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No more so than most of the house & senate. Truest statement of this thread. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:55:58 AM EDT
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GD continues it's downward spiral to absolute dumbfuckery. You mean me or the OP's concept? The actual idea for the question came from this video...which is absolutely counter-productive to the way our country works... This would equal NOTHING but a standing army, working for the Executive Branch...Which I do believe is against the Constitution...why would this NOT be treasonous? Civilian National Security Force |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 7:59:26 AM EDT
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If conservatives and moderates do not impeach this puppet soon, and regain control control of congress, this nation will not be recognizable in 4 years.
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Posted: 9/19/2009 8:02:10 AM EDT
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No more so than most of the house & senate. Truest statement of this thread. While this is true, don't forget that it takes a radical to sign bills into law, as well as radicals to ram them though congress like a dry suppository. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 8:18:27 AM EDT
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GD continues it's downward spiral to absolute dumbfuckery. You mean me or the OP's concept? Sorry- the OP. ARFCOM has lost its collective mind in the last year. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 8:42:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: No........and stupidity is not a chargeable offense else bush and mccain would have been convicted. And most of the BHO voters.  Poll fail for a lack of a "Not yet, but sure heading that way" option. 
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Posted: 9/19/2009 8:45:37 AM EDT
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At the minimum, he's guilty of being a dumbass and a zero.
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Posted: 9/19/2009 8:47:53 AM EDT
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Not yet
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Posted: 9/19/2009 8:58:36 AM EDT
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Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.
Outside legal spheres, the word "traitor" may also be used to describe a person who betrays (or is accused of betraying) their own political party, nation, family, friends, ethnic group, team, religion, social class, or other group to which they may belong. Often, such accusations are controversial and disputed, as the person may not identify with the group of which they are a member, or may otherwise disagree with the group leaders making the charge. See, for example, race traitor Why yes he is ! but he is not alone. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 9:03:09 AM EDT
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No
Lets try and not echo the DU and its Bush crazy hate so much. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 9:15:50 AM EDT
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No Lets try and not echo the DU and its Bush crazy hate so much. Sorry man, but luke-warm politics no longer make the cut....that's how we ended-up with RiNOs 
People are either fired-up about what is going on, or they are slaves to the system....on both sides. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 9:18:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: No Lets try and not echo the DU and its Bush crazy hate so much. Sorry man, but luke-warm politics no longer make the cut....that's how we ended-up with RiNOs People are either fired-up about what is going on, or they are slaves to the system....on both sides. The man doesn't meet the fucking legal definition. This has nothing to do with luke warm politics. The law applies to everyone, including the communist fucksticks in charge that we hate so much. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 9:21:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: GD continues it's downward spiral to absolute dumbfuckery. You mean me or the OP's concept? The actual idea for the question came from this video...which is absolutely counter-productive to the way our country works... This would equal NOTHING but a standing army, working for the Executive Branch...Which I do believe is against the Constitution...why would this NOT be treasonous? Civilian National Security Force Because it doesn't meet the definition of treason. Just because it's against the Constitution doesn't make it treason. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 9:21:58 AM EDT
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No........and stupidity is not a chargeable offense else bush and mccain would have been convicted. 5sub
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Posted: 9/19/2009 9:39:31 AM EDT
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I don't know about treason, but he's definitely guilty of being an arrogant prick.
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Posted: 9/19/2009 9:47:22 AM EDT
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Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour. Outside legal spheres, the word "traitor" may also be used to describe a person who betrays (or is accused of betraying) their own political party, nation, family, friends, ethnic group, team, religion, social class, or other group to which they may belong. Often, such accusations are controversial and disputed, as the person may not identify with the group of which they are a member, or may otherwise disagree with the group leaders making the charge. See, for example, race traitor Why yes he is ! but he is not alone. I posted the only relevant definition of "treason". He does not meet that definition. And a "civilian army", while questionable at best, doesn't come close to it either. In no way is that treason. The question "How is this not treason?" is nonsensical; it isn't because it doesn't met the definition. I ask "How is that treason?" |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 9:49:07 AM EDT
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GD continues it's downward spiral to absolute dumbfuckery. You mean me or the OP's concept? The actual idea for the question came from this video...which is absolutely counter-productive to the way our country works... This would equal NOTHING but a standing army, working for the Executive Branch...Which I do believe is against the Constitution...why would this NOT be treasonous? Civilian National Security Force Because it doesn't meet the definition of treason. Just because it's against the Constitution doesn't make it treason. Do you guys realize that there already is a standing army working for the executive branch? We like to call it "The United States Army". |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 9:49:46 AM EDT
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"Protect and defend the Constitution"........
Well he is violating the Constitution, call it what ever you want. He is not only violating it, he is taking government to the next level of dictatorial status. Fuck him! |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 9:51:48 AM EDT
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"Protect and defend the Constitution"........ Well he is violating the Constitution, call it what ever you want. He is not only violating it, he is taking government to the next level of dictatorial status. Fuck him! I agree. But that's not "treason". To insist that it is shows the same total disregard for the Constitution, so I guess that makes the accuser a traitor as well, yes? |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 9:59:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2009 10:08:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: How the hell do I do a poll? I thought I could do a poll if I bought a membership, but I don't see the option...wtf. Never Mind...found the Poll Button! At any rate... Is he guilty of treason? Pure, simple treason. If you think that he and his friends are trying to undermine the true will of the Constitution and the people of the country, you KNOW what the answer is. Absolutely Not. He has neither 'Levied War upon the United States' nor has he 'given aid & comfort to the enemies thereof' There is a REASON why the Founders limited 'Treason' to those 2 specific activities. Experience with the British royal model, and 'Treason' being anything the King wanted it to be.... Being a liberal is NOT treason - it's stupid, and it doesn't work... But it's not Constitutional Treason... As much as some of you wish for South American style 'Politics & war are distinguishable only by who's doing the shooting'... That is a very, very bad thing... For examples of actual acts of treason: The South Carolinians firing on Sumter The Rosenbergs giving 'aid and comfort' to the Soviets (nuclear material) Most other Cold-War era espionage Any future rebellion/revolution against the US Government Of course, the rest of the Treason clause prevents most espionage cases from being chargeable as such, since it requires testimony from 2 or more witnesses to the same overt act... |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 10:09:18 AM EDT
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How the hell do I do a poll? I thought I could do a poll if I bought a membership, but I don't see the option...wtf.
Never Mind...found the Poll Button!
At any rate... Is he guilty of treason? Pure, simple treason. If you think that he and his friends are trying to undermine the true will of the Constitution and the people of the country, you KNOW what the answer is. Absolutely Not. He has neither 'Levied War upon the United States' nor has he 'given aid & comfort to the enemies thereof' There is a REASON why the Founders limited 'Treason' to those 2 specific activities. Experience with the British royal model, and 'Treason' being anything the King wanted it to be.... Being a liberal is NOT treason - it's stupid, and it doesn't work... But it's not Constitutional Treason... As much as some of you wish for South American style 'Politics & war are distinguishable only by who's doing the shooting'... That is a very, very bad thing... Wrong. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 10:12:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No Lets try and not echo the DU and its Bush crazy hate so much. Sorry man, but luke-warm politics no longer make the cut....that's how we ended-up with RiNOs People are either fired-up about what is going on, or they are slaves to the system....on both sides. The man doesn't meet the fucking legal definition. This has nothing to do with luke warm politics. The law applies to everyone, including the communist fucksticks in charge that we hate so much. EXACTLY. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 10:13:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour. Outside legal spheres, the word "traitor" may also be used to describe a person who betrays (or is accused of betraying) their own political party, nation, family, friends, ethnic group, team, religion, social class, or other group to which they may belong. Often, such accusations are controversial and disputed, as the person may not identify with the group of which they are a member, or may otherwise disagree with the group leaders making the charge. See, for example, race traitor Why yes he is ! but he is not alone. Oran's Dictionary of the Law includes a 'world-wide' definition... The US definition is codified in the Constitution. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 10:15:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: If conservatives and moderates do not impeach this puppet soon, and regain control control of congress, this nation will not be recognizable in 4 years. He has not committed any impeachable offenses... Just like Bush never committed any... Clinton did, but the Senate had too many Democrats in it to convict him.... |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 10:18:38 AM EDT
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No Lets try and not echo the DU and its Bush crazy hate so much. No shit, I guarantee if DU's format wasn't such a clusterfuck you could search their archive and find an exact mirror thread from soon after GWB's election. The idea is to be better than those buffoons, not to lower ourselves to their level. Attack the ideas, not the man. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 10:22:24 AM EDT
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No Lets try and not echo the DU and its Bush crazy hate so much. Sorry man, but luke-warm politics no longer make the cut....that's how we ended-up with RiNOs
People are either fired-up about what is going on, or they are slaves to the system....on both sides.
Childish and stupid are not politics and it is childish and stupid to propose charging the President with treason and exactly like the bat shit crazy moronic drivel the has come out of the DU over the last several years. Treason like any crime has a legal definition, those definitions allow for prosecution under that definition not because some offended political enemy does not like current policy. AND those definitions protect people from being wrongfully prosecuted because some bat shit crazy nutter becomes offended. Now unless you want to find the politicians you support or maybe yourself at some future date charged in front of a kangaroo court with treason because you offend the wrong person I suggest you actually apply real legal definitions to real crimes and not play out your own petty version of the French Revolution. You had better be damn careful about what you wish for. In a republic only a damn fool proposes criminalizing what are political differences, and anyone who does is a enemy of the republic and a enemy of freedom no matter their intent. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 10:32:15 AM EDT
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I put probably...
seeking to dismantle the Constitution, nullify the Bill of Rights, whatever's possible.
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Posted: 9/19/2009 10:33:39 AM EDT
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No Lets try and not echo the DU and its Bush crazy hate so much. I appreciate this sentiment, but haven't you been part of the problem for quite a while now? Either way, we are an absolute mirror of the crazy talk on the fringe of the other side. People on here regularly compare Obama to Hitler and it's accepted as reasonable. Downward spiral, indeed. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 10:42:54 AM EDT
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No Lets try and not echo the DU and its Bush crazy hate so much. I appreciate this sentiment, but haven't you been part of the problem for quite a while now? Either way, we are an absolute mirror of the crazy talk on the fringe of the other side. People on here regularly compare Obama to Hitler and it's accepted as reasonable. Downward spiral, indeed.
Pretty typical of your tiresome horseshit. You are not we. I do not need or want appreciate from you. They want to charge politicians with treason and you want to smear anyone who says anything you do not want to hear. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 10:45:01 AM EDT
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No Lets try and not echo the DU and its Bush crazy hate so much. I appreciate this sentiment, but haven't you been part of the problem for quite a while now? Either way, we are an absolute mirror of the crazy talk on the fringe of the other side. People on here regularly compare Obama to Hitler and it's accepted as reasonable. Downward spiral, indeed.
Pretty typical of your tiresome horseshit. You are not we. I do not need or want appreciate from you. Of course not. This is siimply the first time I've heard you say anything that is reasonably thoughtful or accurately reflecting a complex issue. It's not admiration, though, so don't worry! |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 10:48:35 AM EDT
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No Lets try and not echo the DU and its Bush crazy hate so much. I appreciate this sentiment, but haven't you been part of the problem for quite a while now? Either way, we are an absolute mirror of the crazy talk on the fringe of the other side. People on here regularly compare Obama to Hitler and it's accepted as reasonable. Downward spiral, indeed.
Pretty typical of your tiresome horseshit. You are not we. I do not need or want appreciate from you. Of course not. This is siimply the first time I've heard you say anything that is reasonably thoughtful or accurately reflecting a complex issue. It's not admiration, though, so don't worry! Well I have never heard you say anything that is reasonably thoughtful or accurately reflecting on any issue... still haven't. ETA: Go pick a fight elsewhere from your record here I do not respect you enough to care. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 10:49:43 AM EDT
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Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour. Outside legal spheres, the word "traitor" may also be used to describe a person who betrays (or is accused of betraying) their own political party, nation, family, friends, ethnic group, team, religion, social class, or other group to which they may belong. Often, such accusations are controversial and disputed, as the person may not identify with the group of which they are a member, or may otherwise disagree with the group leaders making the charge. See, for example, race traitor Why yes he is ! but he is not alone. Oran's Dictionary of the Law includes a 'world-wide' definition... The US definition is codified in the Constitution. Even better as we all know everything in the Constitution is open to interpetation and can be redifined to meet current political issues. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 10:50:24 AM EDT
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Willfully breaking the laws of the Constitution and doing what the majority of Americans do not want done is treason by definition...
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Posted: 9/19/2009 11:16:46 AM EDT
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Willfully breaking the laws of the Constitution and doing what the majority of Americans do not want done is treason by definition... No, it's not. RIF, dude. Damn, it's not that hard. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 11:30:50 AM EDT
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the official definition of treason? no my definition of treason? yes 
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Posted: 9/19/2009 2:50:05 PM EDT
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1. "Treason does not prosper. The reason? When treason prospers, none dare call it treason."
2. "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor—he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation—he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city—he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared." Cicero, 42 B.C.E. |
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Posted: 9/19/2009 2:53:51 PM EDT
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By the legal definition of treason, he is not (quite) a traitor.
By intent and purpose, well... |
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