Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care.

By Stephen Dinan (Contact)

President Obama said this week that his health care plan won't cover illegal immigrants, but argued that's all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage.

He also staked out a position that anyone in the country legally should be covered - a major break with the 1996 welfare reform bill, which limited most federal public assistance programs only to citizens and longtime immigrants.

"Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don't simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken," Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. "That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else.

Mr. Obama added, "If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country once and for all."

Republicans said that amounts to an amnesty, calling it a backdoor effort to make sure current illegal immigrants get health care.

"It is ironic that the president told the American people that illegal immigrants should not be covered by the health care bill, but now just days later he's talking about letting them in the back door," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee.

"If the American people do not want to provide government health care for illegal immigrants, why would they support giving them citizenship, the highest honor America can bestow?" Mr. Smith said.

But immigrant rights groups see the speech as a signal that Mr. Obama is committed to providing health care coverage for anyone in the United States legally, regardless of their citizenship status.

"It's the first time I've certainly heard, publicly, him talking more about legal immigrants," said Eric Rodriguez, vice president for research and advocacy at the National Council of La Raza (NCLR). "I think that was certainly positive progress. We were absolutely concerned about not hearing that."

On Wednesday, hours before Mr. Obama's speech, the NCLR had given the administration a public scolding, demanding that Mr. Obama needed to make "a public commitment ... to ensure that those who are here legally are covered."

A White House spokesman did not respond to questions about where the White House would make the cutoff for eligibility, and Mr. Rodriguez said he's still waiting for an answer from the administration.

"We don't know where they mean to draw the line," he said. "Our biggest concern is that most people don't realize legal immigrants are currently barred from receiving health care benefits for the first five years in the country."

Under the 1996 welfare overhaul, most federal aid programs are restricted to citizens and legal immigrants who have been in the country for at least five years. Democrats have tried this year to chip away at that rule.

Immigration has dogged Mr. Obama in the health care debate. Rep. Joe Wilson, South Carolina Republican, shouted, "You lie," when the president, in an address to Congress last week, said his plans wouldn't cover illegal immigrants.

Lawmakers - who got an earful from constituents back home during August - have insisted on extra checks to make sure illegal immigrants do not have access to taxpayer-funded programs.

Senators have worked on language that would prevent illegal immigrants from buying insurance through a proposed insurance exchange envisioned in the health care reform package.

But the NCLR said that could lead to situations where some members of a family would be covered and others, including children of illegal immigrants, wouldn't be.

Mr. Obama said legalizing illegal immigrants is a way to take the sting out of the entire issue.

But Republicans said by pushing to legalize illegal immigrants, Mr. Obama is signaling that those here illegally eventually will get access to taxpayer-funded benefits.

Still, the push to pass a legalization bill is beginning to gain steam, even as advocates fret that the White House is moving too slowly.

On Thursday, Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez, Illinois Democrat and an outspoken advocate for legalization, agreed to take leadership in writing a new, more generous bill.

"We simply cannot wait any longer for a bill that keeps our families together, protects our workers and allows a pathway to legalization for those who have earned it," Mr. Gutierrez said. "Saying immigration is a priority for this administration or this Congress is not the same as seeing tangible action, and the longer we wait, the more every single piece of legislation we debate will be obstructed by our failure to pass comprehensive reform."

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These "immigrant rights groups" should be arrested for aiding/abetting criminals or an accessory to a crime.

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Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily
INVASION USA

Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily
Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan


Posted: November 28, 2006
1:00 am Eastern

By Joseph Farah
© 2009 WorldNetDaily.com


WASHINGTON – While the military "quagmire" in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.

Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.

Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens.  That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense.

But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.

While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.

While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.

A report by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license. In California, another study showed that those who have never held a valid license are about five times more likely to be involved in a fatal road accident than licensed drivers.

Statistically, that makes them an even greater danger on the road than drivers whose licenses have been suspended or revoked – and nearly as dangerous as drunk drivers.

King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.

Based on a one-year in-depth study, Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute of Atlanta estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each. She analyzed 1,500 cases from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants.

As the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. increases, so does the number of American victims.

According to Edwin Rubenstien, president of ESR Research Economic Consultants, in Indianapolis in 1980, federal and state correctional facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. But at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in all U.S. jails and prisons.

While the federal government doesn't track illegal alien murders, illegal alien rapes or illegal alien drunk driving deaths (Gee I wonder why?), it has studied illegal aliens incarcerated in U.S. prisons.

In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of
55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:

* The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests – some eight arrests per illegal alien;

* Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses – some 13 offenses per illegal alien;

* 36 percent had been arrested at least five times before.

"While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place), it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators," states Peter Wagner, author of a new report called "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration." "That is part of the dark side of illegal immigration and when we allow the 'good' in we get the 'bad' along with them. The question is, how much 'bad' is acceptable and at what price?"

Illegal aliens MURDER 12 AMERICANS daily

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This should be America's immigration laws.


(I copied this brilliant article from a thread posted on ATS)
[Original author: BornPatriot]

Mexico is Angry...


The State of Sonora is angry about the influx of Mexicans back into into Mexico! Nine legislators from the Mexican state of Sonora traveled to Tucson recently to complain about Arizona 's new employer crackdown on illegals from Mexico. It seems that many Mexican illegals are now returning to their hometowns and the officials in the Sonora state government are angry about it. A delegation of nine  state legislators from Sonora arrived in Tucson on Tuesday to say that Arizona 's new employer sanctions law will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state. At a news conference, the legislators said Sonora (Arizona's southern border neighbor) made up of mostly of small towns - cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools it will face as more illegal Mexican workers return to their hometowns without jobs or money.


The law, which took effect on January 1st, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States. Penalties include suspension of, or loss of, their business license.


The Mexican legislators are angry because their own citizens are returning to their hometowns, placing a burden on their state government. "How can they pass a law like this?" asked Mexican Representative Leticia Amparano-Gamez, who represents the city of Nogales, Mexico.
"There is not one person living in Sonora who does not have a friend or relative working in Arizona," she said, speaking only in Spanish. "Mexico is not prepared for this; for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and sending money to their families, return to their hometowns in Sonora without jobs," she said. "We are one family, socially and economically, "she said of the people of Sonora and Arizona. Wrong!


The U.S. is a sovereign nation, not a subsidiary of Mexico, and its taxpayers are not responsible for the welfare of Mexico's citizens. It's time for the Mexican government, and it's citizens to stop parasitically feeding off of the United States and to start taking care of its/their own needs.

Too bad all the states in the USA don't pass a law just like Arizona.

Maybe that's the answer, since our own Congress will not do anything!


Current Immigration Laws:


(Read to the bottom or you will miss the message.)


1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.



2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.



3. All government business will be conducted in our language.



4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.



5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office.



6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs.  Any burden will be deported.



7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000times the daily minimum wage.



8. If foreigners come here and buy land...options will be restricted.  Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.



9. Foreigners may hold no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.



10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted, and when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.



Are these rules too strict?


The above laws are current Immigration laws of MEXICO!

These sound fine to me. NOW, how can we get these laws passed to be America's immigration laws?

Sure...cause if you legalize them, then they're not illegal anymore. That lets you attach them officially to the .gov teat. Just add water & poof! instant democrat voter!! Maybe he doesn't realize how 'popular' his other ideas are so far?

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=929267

Color me shocked.

And for the benefit of doubletap777.........

Fuck Obama.

presione uno para el español (Press one for spanish)

prensa dos para el inglés (Press two for English)....

Houstonian here... Let's not even get started about La Raza.

Amnesty is a horrible idea.  Want a taste of it?  Move here for a month and check it out, this place is practically a safe haven for them.

Fuck Mexico, fuck illegals, fuck our traitors in Washington who keep trying to give them free goodies, and fuck anyone who sympathizes with those criminal pieces of shit.

The FAR LEFT already has a voting majority. The elected a negro president, they own congress, and they own much of the judicial system.

Looking at the economy going into meltdown, the socialist legislation, the 3rd World invasion... It's THE DEATH OF THE WEST.

Our chance at turning it around was back in the 1960's, but they won the cultural revolution.

Eh, if I were an unemployed Mexican, and the US Government said, "DO NOT COME HERE.  If you do, we'll forgive you, and you'll get a job, a driver's license, social programs, citizenship for your children, and eventually amnesty for yourself, plus we aren't really watching the border, and if you do get caught, we'll just slap you on the wrist and send you back to try again, but DO NOT COME HERE," then I'd probably do it, too.

That right there is signature line worthy!!!

The family of a guy that was murdered by an illegal alien won the right to sue the city of San Francisco a few days ago.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/15/BAC519N0BR.DTL

+1000

Sue? Lol, that would be the last thing that they needed to worry about from me.  





Edit:  I will add this I don't care if it's found and used as evidence, if my son and wife are killed by an illegal alien, there will be a reckoning.  I won't have anything I care to live for at that point, beware the man with nothing to lose.