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Posted: 9/16/2009 7:14:44 PM EDT
I am picking up one of these tomorrow, supposedly in very good condition. I would like some input on them, and things to look for. The price is right - $300
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I am picking up one of these tomorrow, supposedly in very good condition. I would like some input on them, and things to look for. The price is right - $300 If these have very high round counts, something in the trigger mechanism is subject to breaking with no warning. When you pull the trigger to shoot, you could experience this: there will be a click, but no bang, and the trigger goes limp. No more bangs until the broken part is replaced by a gunsmith. Because of this, I wouldn't trust a used ex-police or military Berretta that might have a high round-count for defensive purposes, unless the right parts of the firing mechanism were replaced. I don't know which spring or part it is, but Berretta experts probably do. Otherwise, in my opinion, it is a pretty accurate and reliable weapon. |
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I am picking up one of these tomorrow, supposedly in very good condition. I would like some input on them, and things to look for. The price is right - $300 If these have very high round counts, something in the trigger mechanism is subject to breaking with no warning. When you pull the trigger to shoot, you could experience this: there will be a click, but no bang, and the trigger goes limp. No more bangs until the broken part is replaced by a gunsmith. Because of this, I wouldn't trust a used ex-police or military Berretta that might have a high round-count for defensive purposes, unless the right parts of the firing mechanism were replaced. I don't know which spring or part it is, but Berretta experts probably do. Otherwise, in my opinion, it is a pretty accurate and reliable weapon. Most of the trade-in 92s out there now are low-round-count - the typical "carried much, shot little" police guns. The internals on my 92FS were damn near pristine, but there was noticable wear externally. BTW, $300 is a very good price right now - Beretta prices have been on the rise lately. I picked up mine back in November for $399 OTD. NIB 92's were going for $500-$550 then, compared to $600-$650 now. One of the few handguns I have seen substantially rise in price during the last year. ETA: The part that is well-known for breaking is the trigger return spring. If it's an older gun with the all-metal trigger, you can purchase a replacement spring unit from Wolff and ditch the stock spring. Also, changing the hammer spring to a lighter one (most go with the mainspring from the DAO 'D' variant) can substantially improve trigger pull without any realt detriment (technically you would be more at risk for light strikes, but even with a lighter spring in my 92, its nowhere even close to making light strikes.) |
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I have one. Dealer got it from CDNN for $330 then tacked on shipping and some other charges on my end. Ended up somewhere around $400.
It was pretty worn outside but the internals looked really good. As it's my only handgun, it's my primary carry weapon. |
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I paid more than that for a retired State Highway Patrol 96D. Great piece.
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If you get a 92 police trade-in with a high round count, then something is wrong.
I don't know many cops that put more than 1000 rounds through their gun during their careers, unless they're also shooters. If they go to the range every weekend and put 200 through it, then, yeah. But I bet most police 92s get shot 20 times once a week for target practice, and never fired in the line of duty. The one I got had moderate holster wear, and was FILTHY. I bet it had NEVER been cleaned. But after a good cleaning, everything inside was in perfect condition. Refinished it, and you can't tell it's not brand new! $300 is a good price. Mine was $350. |
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If you get a 92 police trade-in with a high round count, then something is wrong. I don't know many cops that put more than 1000 rounds through their gun during their careers, unless they're also shooters. If they go to the range every weekend and put 200 through it, then, yeah. But I bet most police 92s get shot 20 times once a week for target practice, and never fired in the line of duty. True. I guess I should have said something to those effects in my post above. I asked one of the troopers how much use they saw and he said not much at all; about what Loki is saying. |
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I'm a LEO Rangemaster.
We used to carry Beretta 92FS 9mm until we switched to Glocks in .40S&W. Loved it. Accurate, smooth, high capacity. Some of our guns broke hammers (Flew off) and we lost several barrel lugs at just over 10,000 rounds. Because of the alloy frame, can't shoot +p or +p ammo, as the frame won't hold up. Otherwise that is a good price. |
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If these have very high round counts, something in the trigger mechanism is subject to breaking with no warning. The only part I've broken on either of my Beretta's is the trigger spring. $3.29 for one here. That was after abouit 8k rounds live fire and almost daily dry fire for a year. It didn't keep the gun from firing, just the trigger from returning forward automatically. I bought several of those springs and intended to replace them every 5k rounds. I bought a new Beretta 92FS Vertec shortly after and went to replace the trigger spring after 5k rounds and found it came with a new thicker trigger spring. Left the factory one in and after 25k rounds and daily dry fire for 2.5 years I've had 0 parts break on the new gun. I do not think twice about using my Beretta's for defensive purposes, they are as reliable as they come. One thing to look at in police pistols is any damage to the locking block. Especially if the department uses +P ammo. It is doubtful they put enough rounds through the gun to damage it yet but it's something to check. They were redesigned a while back but I'm not sure how old a model you are looking at. |
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Interesting that you bring up +P ammo. The manual says no +P but I have read on other Beretta forums that it is GTG. I ask because I keep mine loaded with Black Hills HP +P.
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I'm a LEO Rangemaster. We used to carry Beretta 92FS 9mm until we switched to Glocks in .40S&W. Loved it. Accurate, smooth, high capacity. Some of our guns broke hammers (Flew off) and we lost several barrel lugs at just over 10,000 rounds. Because of the alloy frame, can't shoot +p or +p ammo, as the frame won't hold up. Otherwise that is a good price. You can shoot +p or greater, you will just have more wear. If I recall NATO spec 9mm is somewhere around +P levels. Beretta advises you not to shoot it because it wont last as long as say normal pressure 9mm. |
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The locking lugs on the locking block would break off a lot
This was at MCRD Parris Island as a 2111 |
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Without question I would change out the trigger spring, recoil spring and maybe the hammer (mainspring) spring. Definately check the locking block for hairline cracks, but even if it needs replacing it isn't that expensive and easy to install.
We saw trigger spring breakages on our issued Berettas and several locking blocks break (high round count +P ammo). We would change out the recoil springs at about 4-5k rounds regardless. I would also check the slide catch spring as we saw a few that got a little weak after lots of use (high round count guns). Take a close look at the extractor claw. Make sure it doesn't look too worn down or chipped I've also seen a small number of Trigger bar springs break. Since these parts are so inexpensive to replace, I would replace them just to be safe on a trade in. Plus they are easy to install yourself. $300 is a steal...buy two! |
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If you get a 92 police trade-in with a high round count, then something is wrong. I don't know many cops that put more than 1000 rounds through their gun during their careers, unless they're also shooters. If they go to the range every weekend and put 200 through it, then, yeah. But I bet most police 92s get shot 20 times once a week for target practice, and never fired in the line of duty. The one I got had moderate holster wear, and was FILTHY. I bet it had NEVER been cleaned. But after a good cleaning, everything inside was in perfect condition. Refinished it, and you can't tell it's not brand new! $300 is a good price. Mine was $350. Not sure what agencies you have dealings with, but 1k rounds sounds quite low. When I was first issued my service weapon, we put 500 through the first day alone. Another 250 the next for qual day, then 500 during the academy qual week. That's 1250 in 3/4 days. My department has open range days once/twice a month, 100 rounds per session per officer, 2 sessions per day. We also have yearly quals, minimum of 50-100 rounds for day quals, 50 for night quals. If the officers attend one of the open range sessions each month, that's 1300 each year on top of that first 1250. Say officer has the same gun for 10 years, we're lookin at 14250 rounds just on department time. Me personally, I prefer to go on my own too. Also have to think about how many times each weapon has been issued. My service weapon has been issued 6 times since this department has owned it, and it was made in '93. My point is, it really depends on the department and the officer. Don't bet on anything when it comes to firearms. |
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Apparently these are in very good condition and several people that have purchased them are very happy. I will be pulling the trigger on one tonight, pics to follow this evening.
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If you get a 92 police trade-in with a high round count, then something is wrong. I don't know many cops that put more than 1000 rounds through their gun during their careers, unless they're also shooters. If they go to the range every weekend and put 200 through it, then, yeah. But I bet most police 92s get shot 20 times once a week for target practice, and never fired in the line of duty. The one I got had moderate holster wear, and was FILTHY. I bet it had NEVER been cleaned. But after a good cleaning, everything inside was in perfect condition. Refinished it, and you can't tell it's not brand new! $300 is a good price. Mine was $350. Not sure what agencies you have dealings with, but 1k rounds sounds quite low. When I was first issued my service weapon, we put 500 through the first day alone. Another 250 the next for qual day, then 500 during the academy qual week. That's 1250 in 3/4 days. My department has open range days once/twice a month, 100 rounds per session per officer, 2 sessions per day. We also have yearly quals, minimum of 50-100 rounds for day quals, 50 for night quals. If the officers attend one of the open range sessions each month, that's 1300 each year on top of that first 1250. Say officer has the same gun for 10 years, we're lookin at 14250 rounds just on department time. Me personally, I prefer to go on my own too. Also have to think about how many times each weapon has been issued. My service weapon has been issued 6 times since this department has owned it, and it was made in '93. My point is, it really depends on the department and the officer. Don't bet on anything when it comes to firearms. It really does depend.Here,it's entirely up to the officer to maintain proficiency and neither range time nor ammo is alloted.I know of several officers who shoot no more than the 50 rounds per year to qualify. |
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If you get a 92 police trade-in with a high round count, then something is wrong. I don't know many cops that put more than 1000 rounds through their gun during their careers, unless they're also shooters. If they go to the range every weekend and put 200 through it, then, yeah. But I bet most police 92s get shot 20 times once a week for target practice, and never fired in the line of duty. The one I got had moderate holster wear, and was FILTHY. I bet it had NEVER been cleaned. But after a good cleaning, everything inside was in perfect condition. Refinished it, and you can't tell it's not brand new! $300 is a good price. Mine was $350. Not sure what agencies you have dealings with, but 1k rounds sounds quite low. When I was first issued my service weapon, we put 500 through the first day alone. Another 250 the next for qual day, then 500 during the academy qual week. That's 1250 in 3/4 days. My department has open range days once/twice a month, 100 rounds per session per officer, 2 sessions per day. We also have yearly quals, minimum of 50-100 rounds for day quals, 50 for night quals. If the officers attend one of the open range sessions each month, that's 1300 each year on top of that first 1250. Say officer has the same gun for 10 years, we're lookin at 14250 rounds just on department time. Me personally, I prefer to go on my own too. Also have to think about how many times each weapon has been issued. My service weapon has been issued 6 times since this department has owned it, and it was made in '93. My point is, it really depends on the department and the officer. Don't bet on anything when it comes to firearms. My ex-wife remarried a LEO in the next town over. He and I talk guns often (Don't tell anybody, he's brought his issue M4 out to the woods to play with). He hasn't fired his issue pistol (Glock 40) more than 50 times in 2 years. He says most of the guys in his dept don't even shoot weekly. They just do the yearly minimum. |
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Pics!!! I am thrilled for $318 <a href="http://img10.imageshack.us/i/1001353w.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3279/1001353w.jpg</a> <a href="http://g.imageshack.us/img10/1001353w.jpg/1/" target="_blank">http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1001353w.jpg/1/w640.png</a> <a href="http://img199.imageshack.us/i/1001355w.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/174/1001355w.jpg</a> <a href="http://g.imageshack.us/img199/1001355w.jpg/1/" target="_blank">http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1001355w.jpg/1/w640.png</a> Nice. Enjoy. |
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Pics!!! I am thrilled for $318 <a href="http://img10.imageshack.us/i/1001353w.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3279/1001353w.jpg</a> <a href="http://g.imageshack.us/img10/1001353w.jpg/1/" target="_blank">http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1001353w.jpg/1/w640.png</a> <a href="http://img199.imageshack.us/i/1001355w.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/174/1001355w.jpg</a> <a href="http://g.imageshack.us/img199/1001355w.jpg/1/" target="_blank">http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1001355w.jpg/1/w640.png</a> Looks like a nice, especially for the price. I would have been all over that |
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Nice and great deal.
The DA/SA trigger can be hard to learn, the transition can screw you up. |
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That's a great deal! I got mine off the EE, a Postal Inspector trade-in, about a year ago for $400.
The only thing I did was change over to some Wolff springs and a metal guide rod. |
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Buy ammo and shoot the hell out of it after you give it a proper cleaning and lubrication. It's certainly not going to hurt you to change the trigger, recoil and hammer springs out to Wolff's to know there a 100% fresh. Changing the hammer spring out regardless to a lower lb weight will sweeten your trigger pull. If your going to shoot lots of +P than change your recoil out to a heavier lb weight, easy as that. Both of mine are running 14lb ISMI chrome silicon's. And by the way, Hogue grips are real nice. http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk4/lookyrighthere/100_0130.jpg Thats good to know. |
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Pics!!! I am thrilled for $318 <a href="http://img10.imageshack.us/i/1001353w.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3279/1001353w.jpg</a> <a href="http://g.imageshack.us/img10/1001353w.jpg/1/" target="_blank">http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1001353w.jpg/1/w640.png</a> <a href="http://img199.imageshack.us/i/1001355w.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/174/1001355w.jpg</a> <a href="http://g.imageshack.us/img199/1001355w.jpg/1/" target="_blank">http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1001355w.jpg/1/w640.png</a> Looks pretty good on the outside. Congrats. How's the inside look? Frame rail wear, barrel grooves and chrome lining, slide and guide rod, etc... |
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Pics!!! I am thrilled for $318 <a href="http://img10.imageshack.us/i/1001353w.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3279/1001353w.jpg</a> <a href="http://g.imageshack.us/img10/1001353w.jpg/1/" target="_blank">http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1001353w.jpg/1/w640.png</a> <a href="http://img199.imageshack.us/i/1001355w.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/174/1001355w.jpg</a> <a href="http://g.imageshack.us/img199/1001355w.jpg/1/" target="_blank">http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1001355w.jpg/1/w640.png</a> Looks pretty good on the outside. Congrats. How's the inside look? Frame rail wear, barrel grooves and chrome lining, slide and guide rod, etc... Honestly it looks awesome! I would snap pics if I wasn't heading off to bead. There were some that looked a little nicer on the outside than mine, but mine looked the best on the inside. My cousin is a USMC armorer and is guessing that there are no more than 2000 rounds through it. I have put 3000 through my Glock in 6 months! I was told by the gun store owner than these officers were required to fire 80 rounds/yr to qualify and that the guns were carried between 10 and 13 years. Is there any way to find out what year mine was manufactured in? |
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Pics!!! I am thrilled for $318 <a href="http://img10.imageshack.us/i/1001353w.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3279/1001353w.jpg</a> <a href="http://g.imageshack.us/img10/1001353w.jpg/1/" target="_blank">http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1001353w.jpg/1/w640.png</a> <a href="http://img199.imageshack.us/i/1001355w.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/174/1001355w.jpg</a> <a href="http://g.imageshack.us/img199/1001355w.jpg/1/" target="_blank">http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1001355w.jpg/1/w640.png</a> Looks pretty good on the outside. Congrats. How's the inside look? Frame rail wear, barrel grooves and chrome lining, slide and guide rod, etc... Honestly it looks awesome! I would snap pics if I wasn't heading off to bead. There were some that looked a little nicer on the outside than mine, but mine looked the best on the inside. My cousin is a USMC armorer and is guessing that there are no more than 2000 rounds through it. I have put 3000 through my Glock in 6 months! I was told by the gun store owner than these officers were required to fire 80 rounds/yr to qualify and that the guns were carried between 10 and 13 years. Is there any way to find out what year mine was manufactured in? I'm not sure. I never tried, but you might be able to find out from BerettaUSA just like Springfield Armory Inc. does for their firearms with the serial number, backtracking through their records. I'm glad the inside is in good shape. That pistol will likely outlast you. Mine both love Tetra grease by the way as does the CX4. Enjoy your new to you 92FS KimberTLE45. |
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Is there any way to find out what year mine was manufactured in? It appears that it has a straight dustcover from the pics, which would make it older production. (They changed the dustcover to a slanted design with the introduction of the 96, and then changed 92s over to use the same frame design.) |
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They have some really cool shit these days, called spare parts.
Get new springs,just in case, If it is a police trade in chances it was shoot less than a french rifle. You got a smoking deal !!!!! Google Beretta forums (I won't link).The Beretta may not be the favorite gun on this sight,but it is one hell of a good gun. I love mine.A Beretta brigadier I tweaked the springs so that it has one hell of a smooth trigger.My other Beretta owning friends envy the smooth as glass trigger pull on mine.I also have a police trade in .40 cal upper for it,That makes it all the more fun 2 guns in one. |
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My opinions of the Beretta 92 series (having previously owned two of them in 9mm)...
- Big pistol. Good for people with big hands. Not so good for people with small hands. - Open topped slide design results in excellent extraction reliability. Failures to extract are very rare with this design. - Slide mounted safety bugs some people. I had no problem with it. - LONG double action trigger stroke. Takes some getting used to. Also, as another poster noted above, DA/SA transition from first to second shot also requires practice to get used to. Really my only complaint with the 92 was I never cared for how long that DA trigger stroke was. It seems like it goes on forever with that pistol. That's just a small complaint though, and can be overcome with lots of practice. As others have noted, I would have that piece checked out by a competent smith before I bet my life on it. Enjoy. |
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$300?!?!?!??!?
Nice. Congrats on the gun. Now load up on mags. I like the MecGar 18rd flush fits. They are nicer than factory mags. I have a smattering of noname mags too but no matter how cheesy the mag the thing keeps running. |
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I got one a year ago for cheap with three mags and dead night sights. It has some wear but not a lot of use. I'm sure from looking at the sights, whoever shot it, never hit much.
They are great guns, I've seen a few M9's break in the military, usually they are training guns with high round counts and early style locking blocks. They typically had a lot of +p ammo thru them or subgun ammo. I like my cop gun, it has a lot of life left and runs great. |
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$300?!?!?!??!? Nice. Congrats on the gun. Now load up on mags. I like the MecGar 18rd flush fits. They are nicer than factory mags. I have a smattering of noname mags too but no matter how cheesy the mag the thing keeps running. $300 is about right for a used 92. |
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$300?!?!?!??!? Nice. Congrats on the gun. Now load up on mags. I like the MecGar 18rd flush fits. They are nicer than factory mags. I have a smattering of noname mags too but no matter how cheesy the mag the thing keeps running. $300 is about right for a used 92. I searched around and they seemed to be at least $400 used. Even the tattered up police trade ins online were going to $350-$375 (plus shipping & ffl fee). |
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$300?!?!?!??!? Nice. Congrats on the gun. Now load up on mags. I like the MecGar 18rd flush fits. They are nicer than factory mags. I have a smattering of noname mags too but no matter how cheesy the mag the thing keeps running. $300 is about right for a used 92. I searched around and they seemed to be at least $400 used. Even the tattered up police trade ins online were going to $350-$375 (plus shipping & ffl fee). I could see going $350 for one. I personally would never pay $400 for a used 92, unless it was dead mint and I knew for a fact it had been a safe queen with very few rounds through it. |
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I have a few 92's, I LOVE them! I just shoot 'em better than any other 9mm I own. Smooth shooters.
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Is there any way to find out what year mine was manufactured in? It appears that it has a straight dustcover from the pics, which would make it older production. (They changed the dustcover to a slanted design with the introduction of the 96, and then changed 92s over to use the same frame design.) Don't know if they still do, but when I had mine(also a police trade in, had dept and rack number engraved on the frame) Beretta would tellmonth and year of manufacture with a simple phone call. Mine was summer 1988 IIRC but don't remember the month. 7 years ago I paid something like $329 plus shipping and transfer so you got a steal at $300. My brother in law got one from his friend for $400 with 3 mags in very nice condition and we called that a good price. |
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I purchased mine off of a retired LEO for 150. It is in great shape and shoots well.
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I purchased mine off of a retired LEO for 150. It is in great shape and shoots well. Damn! You really scored!!! |
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Good buy, I hope you enjoy it. I had one and it was very good quality and 100% reliable. For me they are just too big and pointy for CCW, which is my sole purpose for handguns. I actually prefer the Taurus due to it's frame mounted safety and cocked and locked capability.
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