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Posted: 9/14/2009 4:42:43 PM EDT
Yesterday this thread discussed books and films considered by academia to be classics but really sucked.
Today I would like to hear what people think really are classics. It could be something that is considered a classic such as Lord of the Rings (Tolkien), Homer's Iliad, or Walden (Thoreau) and you agree they are classics (I do on these) or it could be something that you would put into a high school or college curriculum that you might not typically find there. Examples of this might be The Federalist (it used to be there but let's not go there) or Red Dawn. I would expect this list to be much larger. |
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Atlas Shrugged could have used a 500 page haircut.
To appreciate Rand you need to read her works in the order she wrote them. Heinlein is great. Some of his works vary in quality. Stranger in a Strange Land (original, unedited version) was terrible. I do like Dr. Zhivago, 1984, Brave New World, and Animal Farm. |
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Film:
Das Boot Breaker Morant Grand Torino The Godfather Apocalypse Now Lawrence of Arabia The Departed Jaws Alien Terminator Book: The Bible The Old man and the Sea To Have and Have Not For Whom the Bell Tolls 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea The Day of the Jackal Both lists are off the top of my head and partial |
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Book:
Moby Dick, Melville Film: Goodbye, Mr. Chips It's a Wonderful life |
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The Big Lebowski.
Snatch. Rock n Rolla. Conan, by Robert E. Howard. Jaws. |
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The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly This. There is a lot of existentialism in Eastwood's spaghetti westerns. |
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Books:
Don Quixote Jane Eyre Moby Dick I, Robot A Tale Of Two Cities 1984 (that book scared the crap out of me when I was younger) A Brave New World Positronic Man Movies: The French Connection The Dark Knight Alien Terminator Fargo Saving Private Ryan Gran Torino The Departed Star Wars (IV, V, VI) LOTR Best In Show |
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Lord of the Rings
Dune (series) Hyperion cantos Aubrey/Maturin series Starship Troopers Animal Farm |
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Films:
A Walk in the Sun A Man for All Seasons Books: Street Without Joy The Centurions |
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Note: Some of these books are ones that should be read as opposed to being great literary works or the like.
Books: Harry Potter (not a classic, but certainly just to have something that a student might actually enjoy reading) Redwall Hamlet Killer Angels Hunt for Red October Tarzan (the series by Edgar Rice Burroughs) Where the Red Fern Grows Hatchet Wizard of Oz The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe White Fang Call of the Wild 20000 Leagues Under the Sea Lord of the Rings Feakenomics Common Sense CS Forrester's Horatio Hornblower books The Scarlet Pimpernel The Count of Monte Cristo The Swiss Family Robinson The Hobbit Gulliver's Travels The Odyssey The Illiad Canterbury Tales Beowulf The Art of War (Sun Tzu) Common Sense Moby Dick Walden Treasure Island The Bible All Quiet on the Western Front Alas Babylon Dante's Inferno Hot Zone China Syndrome Ishamel Movies: Hunt for Red October Field of Dreams Apollo 13 Schindler's List Animal House October Sky Star Wars (only episodes 4, 5, and 6) Top Gun Wizard of Oz 20000 Leagues Under the Sea The Swiss Family Robinson Finding Forrester Forrest Gump Saving Private Ryan Gladiator Spartacus Casablanca The God Father The Count of Monte Cristo (the old one) The Scarlet Pimpernel (any of them) Superman (the original) Batman Begins The Dark Knight James Bond (only some of them) The Lord of the Rings King Kong (1928 version) Grease Dirty Dancing Jaws War of the World (only the radio show) The Day the Earth Stood Still (the original movie) The Ten Commandments Ben Hur All Quiet on the Western Front The Princess Bride |
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Star Wars saga Indiana Jones saga Lord of The Rings saga All of the Star Wars movies? Lord of the Rings is really just one long book. I don't know if I would give the movie classic status. Indiana Jones? The first one for sure. |
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Can't believe I forgot this - The Princess Diaries. Erm, do you mean The Princess Bride? Because The Princess Diaries is a book series written by a super-lib and the Disney movie based on the book starring Anne Hathaway. |
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Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein Anthem by Ayn Rand Hatchet by Gary Paulsen The Princess Bride Aliens The Terminator Sergeant York We Were Soldiers Pulp Fiction |
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I'm drawing a real blank on a lot of good ones...
Books: Frankenstein by Mary Shelley The Martian Chronicles, The Illustrated Man, and Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury The Once and Future King by T. H. White 1984 and Animal Farm by George Orwell The Sea Wolf, The Call of the Wild, and White Fang by Jack London The Time Machine by H. G. Wells Dune by Frank Herbert Blindness by Jose Saramago The Road by Cormac McCarthy The Lord of the Rings by J. R. R. Tolkien Hamlet by Shakespeare I Am Legend by Richard Matheson Noble Vision by Gen LaGreca Sherlock Holmes stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle The Wave by Morton Rhue Tales from the Twilight Zone by Rod Serling Lolita and Pnin by Vladimir Nabokov The Last Mimzy and Other Stories by Henry Kuttner Flowers for Algernon by Daniel Keyes Movies: A Fistful of Dollars; For a Few Dollars More; The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly Red Dawn Lord of the Rings trilogy Unforgiven Star Wars IV, V, VI The Princess Bride Disney's Sleeping Beauty The Wizard of Oz |
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More movies:
Desperado Vanishing Point Convoy Reservoir Dogs Django |
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Can't believe I forgot this - The Princess Diaries. Erm, do you mean The Princess Bride? Because The Princess Diaries is a book series written by a super-lib and the Disney movie based on the book starring Anne Hathaway. You are correct. Princess Bride. Not even sure what the Princess Diaries are. I have not thought about Watership Down in ages. Great read. Starship Troopers (book). How the West Was Won (movie). |
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Book: Gates of FIre, by Steven Pressfield.
Movie: 2001: A Space Odyssey, by Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick |
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While very few have read it these days Uncle Tom's cabin was an excellent book and quite a history maker as well.
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I'm rereading one of my favorites right now –– Alas, Babylon by Pat Frank, nuclear SHTF set in the late 50's/early 60's.
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I would expect this list to be much larger. Ha! Don't bet on it. Bitching is far easier than praise. That said, here are my picks: Starship Troopers THE BOOK. Entertaining scifi with the excellent theme that the right to run the country is best valued by those who have earned it - and as it is best valued, it is taken more seriously. And I love the unabashed portrayal of Earth being the local hegemony and dishing out inter-system terrorism to keep the other races in check. City of God by St. Augustine. He was in a unique position living during the fall of Rome when we in the West seem to be about as unsure of our cultural tradition as the Romans were. And as assailed by external enemies. Life of Samuel Johnson by James Boswell. Never has such an extraordinary, genuine soul been written in such a lively, intimate manner. Oliver Wendell Holmes read the book EVERY YEAR most of his life. I've read it six times. Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Gibbon. He takes Tacitus's style of combining philosophy and history and perfects it. It's a long one though. Paradise Lost Johnson hated Milton the man but always praised this work, for good reason. Pride and Prejudice Yes, the favorite pinata of high school students. Fuck 'em, this novel is immortal. And I'll gladly meet anyone on the literary field of battle in it's defense. The Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn. The laws of physics and chemistry are the same over in Russia as over here, and so are the laws of morality and psychology. Solz. experienced what a pernicious ideology will do to the minds of men and what evil it will cause those men to do to others. As one of the wisest works of the 20th century, it deserves it's place. Let anyone who loves communism read this account. Plutarch's Lives Basically a who's who of the ancient world. Reading the lives and accomplishments of the best men of antiquity will always improve the soul. De Sublimis by Longinus. Everybody knows this one. Essays by Montaigne. So many more. |
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Pride and Prejudice Yes, the favorite pinata of high school students. Fuck 'em, this novel is immortal. And I'll gladly meet anyone on the literary field of battle in it's defense. I'm not an expert on the matter, in fact I've only seen one movie version and only read part of the mash-up Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, but I didn't like either. From the Austen parts of P&P&Z I can gather that she uses a lot of satire, but I still thought it lacked enough substance and quality to place it highly on a Best Works list. I have no real ammunition with which to meet you on the literary field of battle, but I am still interested in hearing, with an open mind, why you describe this book so positively. |
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I would expect this list to be much larger. Ha! Don't bet on it. Bitching is far easier than praise. You're both right and wrong. If you counted up all the works in both threads this one will probably have more, but the conversation is lost because you are absolutely right that people have much more fun bitching about something than complimenting it. Before anyone thinks that I'm criticizing check and see which thread I started first. |
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Pride and Prejudice Yes, the favorite pinata of high school students. Fuck 'em, this novel is immortal. And I'll gladly meet anyone on the literary field of battle in it's defense. I'm not an expert on the matter, in fact I've only seen one movie version and only read part of the mash-up Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, but I didn't like either. From the Austen parts of P&P&Z I can gather that she uses a lot of satire, but I still thought it lacked enough substance and quality to place it highly on a Best Works list. I have no real ammunition with which to meet you on the literary field of battle, but I am still interested in hearing, with an open mind, why you describe this book so positively. Haven't read it yet, eh? Well, what can I say then. Many novels have tried to portray human experiences like love and justice, have had characters that are meant to be believable and interesting, and have tried to be about themes that are engaging. Few succeed, of course, which is probably why we only have a page of classics that "deserve" to be classics compared to the other thread of classics that suck which is a three pages already. Silas Marner is in that other thread, where it deserves to be - we Americans are consumers, not hoarding misers, so even the basic theme of that book makes it obsolete for us. But P&P deals with a thing that will never go out of style, that journey of finding the right spouse, which is pretty much the decision in one's life that is going to affect its course more than any other. Revolving around that theme are the characters, which I think are very well done. They are believable and human, and even though the setting is getting dated, the stereotypes won't ever get old. The love story between Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy is darn good as love stories go, and not in the way that is simply exhilarating to the emotions, but in a way that is a beautiful picture of how love itself grows between two people; even two people who were as square and aloof as those two. And that's what a good novel does - like a fine painting that uses it's physical form to turn the mind to understand concepts of spiritual importance. So give it a try and let me know what you thought. |
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Pride and Prejudice Yes, the favorite pinata of high school students. Fuck 'em, this novel is immortal. And I'll gladly meet anyone on the literary field of battle in it's defense. I'm not an expert on the matter, in fact I've only seen one movie version and only read part of the mash-up Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, but I didn't like either. From the Austen parts of P&P&Z I can gather that she uses a lot of satire, but I still thought it lacked enough substance and quality to place it highly on a Best Works list. I have no real ammunition with which to meet you on the literary field of battle, but I am still interested in hearing, with an open mind, why you describe this book so positively. Haven't read it yet, eh? Well, what can I say then. Many novels have tried to portray human experiences like love and justice, have had characters that are meant to be believable and interesting, and have tried to be about themes that are engaging. Few succeed, of course, which is probably why we only have a page of classics that "deserve" to be classics compared to the other thread of classics that suck which is a three pages already. Silas Marner is in that other thread, where it deserves to be - we Americans are consumers, not hoarding misers, so even the basic theme of that book makes it obsolete for us. But P&P deals with a thing that will never go out of style, that journey of finding the right spouse, which is pretty much the decision in one's life that is going to affect its course more than any other. Revolving around that theme are the characters, which I think are very well done. They are believable and human, and even though the setting is getting dated, the stereotypes won't ever get old. The love story between Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy is darn good as love stories go, and not in the way that is simply exhilarating to the emotions, but in a way that is a beautiful picture of how love itself grows between two people; even two people who were as square and aloof as those two. And that's what a good novel does - like a fine painting that uses it's physical form to turn the mind to understand concepts of spiritual importance. So give it a try and let me know what you thought. While I have other books that are much higher on my TBR list, you've successfully convinced me to add P&P to the pile. I appreciate your response, which has now provided me with a much better frame with which to approach the book than I have previously been exposed to. |
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Note: Some of these books are ones that should be read as opposed to being great literary works or the like. Books: Tarzan (the series by Edgar Rice Burroughs) Books. Tarzan (the series by Edgar Rice Burroughs) You mentioned a good one here..I've got all 24 of the ERB Tarzan novels and with the exception of a few, most are actually very well written by a man with an exceptional creative mind.. I've often wondered why Hollywood, esepicially with todays technology, has never capitalized on making a Tarzan film as it was written..They've never mentioned he was an English Lord and a Colonel in the RAF, was highly educated, spoke several languages, fought in WWI & WWII..EBR took Tarzan on adventures in Africa where he encountered many strange people and cultures and journeyed into forgotten lands..Some of those novels, if filmed correctly, would be just as exciting as many others novels and films mentioned in this thread..In the early ones he had an arch enemy, another one where he meets Princess La and one "Tarzan and the Forgein Legion" where he helps wage war against the Japs on the island of Sumata..Instead he's portrayed as a " Me Tarzan , You Jane"... I'd like to add the books by Eastern KY author Jesse Stuart... |
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Wizard of Oz
Roadwarrior Dirty Harry Zulu Good, the bad and the ugly High plains drifter |
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This is a book about the literary classics:
It's a great reference that describes and critiques more than 100 classics, from antiquity through the 20th century. It's also nice to read all by itself. Because of this book I read Huckleberry Finn (somehow I missed this in HS), Meditations (Marcus Aurelius), Robinson Crusoe, Candide, and a few others. I enjoyed them all.
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I have downloaded a shitload of books from Project Gutenberg; enough to last 2 lifetimes. It isn't as nice as having the book in front of you, but what the hell; it's free.
The only drawback is that they only have books that are no longer copywrited (ie: old as hell). |
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