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Posted: 1/31/2002 4:54:02 PM EDT
MP5SD...good enough for Reno..it's good 'nuf for me!
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Birdman Weapons Systems Barrett M82B1K-PDW .50 BMG Entry Weapon.
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Between full side Uzi, Mini UZI and MP5 SD (these are the 3 that I have shot), I like MP5 SD, because of the smoothness and controllability. I imagine MP5 is the same. Wonder if MP5K PDW is the same. Anyone knows? |
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I always liked the obsolete MP-40. It looks like a SMG should.
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My favorite [b]SMG[/b]?
[b]S[/b]arah [b]M[/b]ichelle [b]G[/b]ellar, of course! [:D] |
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MP-5A3
or Uzi Carbine BTW, The INS used MP5A3s with Double 32 Round Magazines and Tactical Lights not MP5SD3s when they kidnapped Elian. go to [url]http://www.noreno.org[/url] and you can see pics of the guns used. [img]http://noreno.no-ip.com:800/seq6.jpg[/img] |
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Thompson. Only SMG I've ever fired, but man was it fun. If only I could afford to feed one... [:D]
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KRINKOV 5.45x39mm
No, I've never fired one, and probably never fucking will. |
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[IMG]http://album.gunsnet.net/data/mp40/full_296_p1659.jpg[/IMG]
Mauser 712 |
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I knew the answer till I read all these cool choices.
OK, still the schmeisser, with complimentary krumlauf undt steilgranates. -------- "Handes hoch, rota kapella!" |
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here's my favs'
Ingram MAC-10 .45acp Thompson 1928 .45acp German MP-38 or MP-40 both 9mm Parabellum Sten Mk II 9mm Parabellum IMI UZI 9mm Parabellum HK MP5 9mm Parabellum I'm SURE there are more that are jus slippin my mind at the moment LOL |
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[b][red][size=3]MP5SD[/b][/red][/size=3]
[img]http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages/military/images/mp5sd_r3_c2.gif[/img] |
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I don't need a silenced weapon...I'll take the noise....
[img]www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages/military/images/mp5a3_2_r3_c2.gif[/img] [img]www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages/military/images/gun.gif[/img] (Edited to add the UMP. Gotta love a .45 sub from HK) P.S.- Just curious, no flame intended, but if the UZI was the ultra weapon, as some claim it is, then why do pretty much every Spec Ops team use HK subs? They could have UZI's if they were what the job called for, but they don't. Antisemitism? Don't get me wrong, I like the UZI, just don't think it's the best subgun. |
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H&K UMP in 45cal. Tried one at Classic Pistol in Philly. You'd dig it the most!
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For self defense/tactical I choose UZI carbine
For gamesmanship and long range accuracy I choose M16-9mm For cuteness the MP5K in a briefcase is the proverbial cute gadget gun. For quietness the last thing I would choose is a MP5SD cause they way HK ports the barrel it takes the power down to the level of a .380 |
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UZI. Its reasonable and fun. You can get a .45 conversion that uses $8 grease gun mags as well as a .22lr conversion so you can afford to shoot it. Mines on the way.
Dave |
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Depends on the purpose and environment, but I'm very much in agreement with David Hineline. For defense/combat in a harsh, dirty environment, it would be the Uzi without a doubt. In a cleaner role, the M16/9 or the MP5. The MP5 is a smoother shooter, but the ergonomics suck compared to a M16/9mm. For pure lead-slinging fun at a line shoot, its hard to beat an AM180.
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Quoted: My favorite [b]SMG[/b]? [b]S[/b]arah [b]M[/b]ichelle [b]G[/b]ellar, of course! [:D] View Quote [img]http://www.smgfan.com/pictures/favorite/fav05.jpg[/img] |
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Quoted: MP5SD...good enough for Reno..it's good 'nuf for me! TheRedGoat View Quote Ditto, I have always wanted one. Ever since I was a kid(well back then I just wanted the MP5N). After shooting mojo's though, I think about the MP5SD at least 3-4x a day. Man I want one bad!!! At this point in my life, I would give up getting laid for a year......oh no wait...its almost a year since I got laid. DAMMIT where's my MP5!!!! |
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Fingers the 22lr kit Vector Arms makes is a great cost saver when your soon to be ammo mooching friends show up.
Once you get a machinegun you will soon find your friends have no ammo or wallets. |
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Having had the oppertunity to shoot many of the models listed, there's no question that the HK MP5 series is the easiest and smoothest SMG. Firing from a closed bolt makes all the difference. With lots of practice, you can learn to fire some of the others nearly as well, but the MP5 is hard to beat.
I've never had the chance to fire an MP5SD, but that's what I'd buy if I could, and could afford to. -Troy |
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This would do it for me....
[img]http://www.bteg.com/~cougar/HK94l.jpg[/img] I'm dying to have an MP5a* too!!! |
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My M16/9. MP5 is the king of the hill, but I know the workings of mine and it can be tuned to be pretty close the MP5. MP5 breaks and it's a trip to the HK-doctor.
As far as "cool factor", mine does OK: [img]www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p365e31c71294111b2bca6222c8ccb268/fdf4fac4.jpg[/img] [img]www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p294de3fe30a53bef7abb8738f961fe98/fdf4faee.jpg[/img] [img]www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p9ce657fa092241a65e38944388a97a07/fdf4fb0f.jpg[/img] |
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The XM177E2. Even though it was not a pistol caliber however it was still classified as a SMG.[heavy]
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Quoted: My M16/9. MP5 is the king of the hill, but I know the workings of mine and it can be tuned to be pretty close the MP5. MP5 breaks and it's a trip to the HK-doctor. As far as "cool factor", mine does OK: View Quote I think we have a winner for "Understatement of the Year!" Super kewl. David_Hineline, After the 'new' wore off of providing ammo to friends and relatives, I began telling them all "Come on out and shoot, if you want to shoot anything I own, just bring ammo." Works like a champ! Moochers quit asking to shoot, others now bring ammo. Troy, about shooting the MP5SD, it's sweeter than sweet! The sound of bullets bouncing off trees is louder than the action of the gun. Sounds like a blow dart throwing rocks at trees. Very interesting to hear the 'flight path' of rounds that you thought were not leaving the property. Very educational, indeed. TheRedGoat |
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The German MP-40 of WWII fame. I've never had a chance to shoot one, but I still see them occassionally. They must be pretty tuff. Folding stock, 32 round mag. 9mm. Simple to make, simple to maintain. The STeN gun is a copy. Looks like crap, but same basic Idea. Sheet metal stamping, cheap to make. I think the Germans got it right. 60+ years ago.
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Quoted: The German MP-40 of WWII fame. I've never had a chance to shoot one, but I still see them occassionally. They must be pretty tuff. Folding stock, 32 round mag. 9mm. Simple to make, simple to maintain. The STeN gun is a copy. Looks like crap, but same basic Idea. Sheet metal stamping, cheap to make. I think the Germans got it right. 60+ years ago. View Quote [url]http://www.ww2n.com/films/mp40_project/[/url] |
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drfcolt.....
Need any new friends? I know, I live in FL and you're in PA....but I'm willing to make the trip. Seriously, that is a sweeeeeeet AR you have yourself. Not that you need to have it validated by me, just wanted to compliment you on creating a beautiful weapon. VERY nice! |
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Quoted: P.S.- Just curious, no flame intended, but if the UZI was the ultra weapon, as some claim it is, then why do pretty much every Spec Ops team use HK subs? They could have UZI's if they were what the job called for, but they don't. Antisemitism? Don't get me wrong, I like the UZI, just don't think it's the best subgun. View Quote Anyone care to address this? |
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Quoted: Quoted: P.S.- Just curious, no flame intended, but if the UZI was the ultra weapon, as some claim it is, then why do pretty much every Spec Ops team use HK subs? They could have UZI's if they were what the job called for, but they don't. Antisemitism? Don't get me wrong, I like the UZI, just don't think it's the best subgun. View Quote Anyone care to address this? View Quote My guess: 1. The weight factor. 2. Uzi is open bolt; therefore, first shot is less accurate. 3. MP5 is more accurate when go full auto. 4. Probably, cool factor. I shot all three. And I like them all. |
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Quoted: [b] Quoted: Quoted: P.S.- Just curious, no flame intended, but if the UZI was the ultra weapon, as some claim it is, then why do pretty much every Spec Ops team use HK subs? They could have UZI's if they were what the job called for, but they don't. Antisemitism? Don't get me wrong, I like the UZI, just don't think it's the best subgun. View Quote Anyone care to address this? View Quote My guess: 1. The weight factor. 2. Uzi is open bolt; therefore, first shot is less accurate. 3. MP5 is more accurate when go full auto. 4. Probably, cool factor. I shot all three. And I like them all. View Quote Everything makes sense, except for #4. I don't think guys who stake their lives on their weapons are concerned with a "cool factor". I know, you were probably joking. |
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Quoted: [b] Quoted: Quoted: P.S.- Just curious, no flame intended, but if the UZI was the ultra weapon, as some claim it is, then why do pretty much every Spec Ops team use HK subs? They could have UZI's if they were what the job called for, but they don't. Antisemitism? Don't get me wrong, I like the UZI, just don't think it's the best subgun. View Quote Anyone care to address this? View Quote My guess: 1. The weight factor. 2. Uzi is open bolt; therefore, first shot is less accurate. 3. MP5 is more accurate when go full auto. 4. Probably, cool factor. I shot all three. And I like them all. View Quote Having only shot the MP5SD and the UZI, I can give my opinion oon the "Why not an UZI?" Open bolt, as Mojo pointed out, affects accuracy to some degree, in CQB, I wonder if this would be a factor? I doubt it, but it does allow for some serious debris to be collected in the chamber if you go dropping, and rolling. Ergonomics seem to be much better on the MP5SD than on the Uzi. I really, really doubt many people use Anti-Semitism to determine their entry teams' primary weapon. TheRedGoat |
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MP5-K & UMP45 w/navy trigger.
Even though it's probably not a true subgun, I like the G36K, if retrofitted with the stock & sight rail from the G36C. My H&K 94's not a bad substitute. Someday, if I move to a C3 friendly state, it'll be morphed into the MP5-K, w/navy trigger. Then, G36K/C will be right alongside, to keep it company. No gun should be alone. [:D] |
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Tough question. First off, I'm probably a little biased b/c I instruct with the Uzi for our [URL=http://www.frontsight.com/1day_smg_course.htm]Free Uzi Course[/URL], but I'll pitch in my $.02.
The Uzi offers a bunch of benefits: 1.) With the stock collapsed it is easily concealable, and can be deployed very quickly to its fully extended position. 2.) A lower cyclic rate (~600 RPM) than the MP-series offers much easier trigger modulation to deliver a specified number of shots on demand. One shot for a head-shot is very easy with a little training, versus one from an MP5. For full auto, your target is not going to be impressed that you engaged him with 600 vs. 1200 RPM after 2-3 rounds have been delivered. 3.) Relative weight is negligible compared to some of the other heavier weapons systems (someone mentioned this) 4.) Price. Often overlooked for us civilians who have to buy Class III. You can get a nice new Vector Uzi for $3,000-3,400 or build a parts gun for less. Not many Class III weapons with the benefits and reliability of the Uzi are in this price range. Some other points: Open Bolt Accuracy - Yes, technically OB weapons systems are inherently less accurate, buy given the proper grip and stance this is negligible for the Uzi. The Uzi was designed as a primary battle rifle, and its range out to 300 yards suffers more from other factors (i.e. the shooter and the cartridge being fired) than from being open bolt. In CQB this is totally negligible for the trained individual. Choice of Spec Ops, etc - A lot of politics and personal preference is involved in branches of service choosing weapons. Let me point out that the Uzi is the primary weapon of the Secret Service who have one of the most important duties in the world. If you remember the attempted assassination on Reagan, there's footage of a SS Agent producing an Uzi out of thin air. [UZI] Train like you fight and you'll fight like you've trained! |
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I should replace "cool factor" to Ergonomics like RedGoat stated. M4 : As far as cool factor is concerned, I should a [:D] to state my intention. Actually, if everything is equal between the 2 (Uzi and MP5), I probably take MP5 or SD. |
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Of the two that I've shot, a Sten and an M16A1,
of course the M16. |
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