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Posted: 1/30/2002 5:45:12 PM EDT
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I think it is illegal. A thumbhole stock is still considered a pistol grip under the 1994 Krime Bill. Only under the 89 Import Ban is a thumbhole NOT considered a pistol grip.
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Posted: 1/30/2002 5:49:37 PM EDT
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are you sure that NO thumbhole stock has ever been approved?? if not, then what kind of stock would be suitable as collapsible, yet giving a good grip. It would be, like those 18 year old ladies, BARELY LEGAL, but, LEGAL nonetheless.
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Posted: 1/30/2002 6:01:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: are you sure that NO thumbhole stock has ever been approved?? Yes, I'm sure. BATF ruled that, under the 1994 Krime Bill, a thumbhole stock "encloses" a pistol grip, and therefore counts as an evil feature. if not, then what kind of stock would be suitable as collapsible, yet giving a good grip. You'd have to ask BATF, but given that no one has come up with anything over the last 5 years, I doubt that it's gonna happen. -Troy |
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Posted: 1/30/2002 6:05:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: are you sure that NO thumbhole stock has ever been approved?? if not, then what kind of stock would be suitable as collapsible, yet giving a good grip. It would be, like those 18 year old ladies, BARELY LEGAL, but, LEGAL nonetheless. with an ar, there is no alternative. without the pistol grip the weapon becomes ungainly, and impractical. and converting an approved stock to a collapsable is in violation of the "law". the closest thing you could legally do is to get a collapsable stock and have it perminately wealded in one position. or you could just say f8ck the "law", but i wont go there right now. |
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Posted: 1/30/2002 6:23:23 PM EDT
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anyone have any ATF documents/correspondences to cite here? I was not aware that it was illegal to convert a legal stock to a collapsible stock. It is not actually the item itself that is illegal, but the configuration of the items. therefore, I don't see the problem, as long as you stay at or below the RDA for evil features.
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Posted: 1/30/2002 6:51:28 PM EDT
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youdont really have to fork over an extra grand.prebans still are around for 1000, if you get a post ban for 1000 less than that. you doing damn well.
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Posted: 1/30/2002 7:03:49 PM EDT
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matt- if you can find a real preban AR for 1000 bucks.....you're either a damned liar, or a very lucky SOB indeed. Where do you find genuine prebans for a grand?
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Posted: 1/30/2002 7:07:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: matt- if you can find a real preban AR for 1000 bucks.....you're either a damned liar, or a very lucky SOB indeed. Where do you find genuine prebans for a grand? A couple of WAC/Puyallup gunshows ago, a pair of women were selling off what I presume was a relative's estate. They had an old AR-15, definitely preban, in decent shape, for about $500. Yes, a whole rifle, not just a lower. If I'd been employed, I would've grabbed it. |
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Posted: 1/30/2002 7:16:34 PM EDT
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I got my Colt Preban in September for $800! It's in NEW condition, and only had a few mags run through it!
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Posted: 1/30/2002 7:28:09 PM EDT
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Not sure if this will work for you, but here the solution to your 'problem'.
[img]http://www.zmweapons.com/images/Horzgrip.jpg[/img] $45. [url]http://www.zmweapons.com/index.htm[/url] |
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Posted: 1/30/2002 7:28:31 PM EDT
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I got my Colt pre ban for $650 2 years ago!!
It appeared to have less than 100 rds through it. Best deal I ever got! |
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Posted: 1/30/2002 7:34:01 PM EDT
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HK- that setup looks damn strange- what is it called? I wonder how it would shoot.
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Posted: 1/30/2002 8:42:02 PM EDT
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or just make the damn magazine non detachble and there for the weapon is no longer a AW and can have all the "evil" parts it wants
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Posted: 1/30/2002 8:56:00 PM EDT
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You will need to visualize this one:
Take a regular AR15 lower. Place a solid machined piece of aluminum flush with the lower where the pistol grip goes. Machine a threaded hole through the center of the machined aluminum. Take a metal bar (like the side grip from one of those BF drills) that has threads to screw into the solid piece of aluminum where the pistol grip was. Make up some sort of side trigger actuator or an actual side mount trigger (plate with a trigger mounted sideways, attached to the trigger pin) You will end up with an AR15 lower that has the "pistol grip" sticking out of the right side. You will pull the trigger just like a gang banger does when he holds the pistol sideways. It's a thought. At least it would look cool if birdman.org did it. |
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Posted: 1/30/2002 9:57:27 PM EDT
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Got me a nice pristine Colt SP-1 on Saturday for $954, tax, NICS, & 3 mags included...
...No kidding |
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Posted: 1/30/2002 10:01:10 PM EDT
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... some citizens may advocate civil disobedience
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