Zogby/O'Leary asked voters:

"Currently, 39 states have laws that allow residents to carry firearms to protect themselves, only if they pass a background check and pay a fee to cover administrative costs. Most of those states also require applicants to have firearms safety training. Do you support or oppose this law?"

An overwhelming majority of Americans (83 percent) support concealed-carry laws, while only 11 percent oppose them. A majority of Independent voters (86 percent), Democrats (80 percent), young voters age 18-29 (83 percent), Hispanic voters (80 percent), and those who voted for President Obama (80 percent) support the right to carry a firearm.

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How did this happen?  What makes gun rights so different than our other liberties, which only a minority seem to give a damn about?

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Watch COPS or "the first 48" and you start to think...."hmmm, the cops are just a clean-up crew"

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Watch COPS or "the first 48" and you start to think...."hmmm, the cops are just a clean-up crew"

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Fads.

At one time, 83% of American's wore bell-bottoms as well.

Just enjoy the wave right now.

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Because the argument that CCW = protection has been debated and we won.
However, the same cannot yet be said for semi-automatic rifles with full capacity magazines.
It's a shame too considering that governments killed over 100 million people in the 20th century.

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The hit squad that killed that Florida family SCREEEMS 30 round mag home protection.

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I wonder how low the crime rate would dip if all 83% actually did carry.

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Because all people tend to support their own right to survive.  If you ask the Dems/libs if other people in other areas should have concealed carry rights, I'll bet the numbers would be lower.

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While it seems like the country is going to hell at an accelerating pace, the public seems to have decisively come to their senses on the gun issue.  There has been a huge turnaround in public opinion in the last 20-30 years.  The government is still lagging behind, but when 83% of the public supports something the politicians and judges will eventually come around.

How did this happen?  What makes gun rights so different than our other liberties, which only a minority seem to give a damn about?

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I think also with some places releasing criminals early due to budget restrictions and police departments having to cut the number of officers available it's becoming a big eye opener to folks that yeah, they might have to use a weapon to defend themselves and the best weapon is a gun.

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Watch COPS or "the first 48" and you start to think...."hmmm, the cops are just a clean-up crew"

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Fads.



At one time, 83% of American's wore bell-bottoms as well.



Just enjoy the wave right now.

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While it seems like the country is going to hell at an accelerating pace, the public seems to have decisively come to their senses on the gun issue.  There has been a huge turnaround in public opinion in the last 20-30 years.  The government is still lagging behind, but when 83% of the public supports something the politicians and judges will eventually come around.

How did this happen?  What makes gun rights so different than our other liberties, which only a minority seem to give a damn about?

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I think also with some places releasing criminals early due to budget restrictions and police departments having to cut the number of officers available it's becoming a big eye opener to folks that yeah, they might have to use a weapon to defend themselves and the best weapon is a gun.

Lesbian Sister of Tony Award-Winning Actor Murdered in Seattle

Teresa Butz (pictured below), the sister of Tony Award-winning actor Norbert Leo Butz, was stabbed to death by a male intruder at her apartment in the South Park area of Seattle. The intruder gained access to the apartment through an open window. Butz's partner, a 36-year-old woman who is not identified by name, was stabbed during the attack but survived.

The Seattle Times reports:Butz

"The Seattle couple, who had been together about two years, were preparing for a commitment ceremony in September and planned to travel to Barcelona, Spain, to celebrate Teresa's 40th birthday in October, he said...Tim Butz (the victim's brother, pictured) said Teresa's partner told family members that Teresa had sacrificed herself to save the partner's life during the attack. A detective related the same information, he said, but Butz said he couldn't elaborate because of the investigation. A next-door neighbor in South Park, Albert Barrientes, said Tuesday that the two women were able to get outside after the attack. The partner was hysterical, Barrientes said. Teresa Butz, before she died, said of the attacker, 'He told us if we did what he asked us to do he wouldn't hurt us. He lied, he lied,' Barrientes said."

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uhm, no.
the best weapon is me talking to the criminal, trying to reason with him...
if that doesn't work, the next best weapon is a telephone, so I can call the police...


Did anyone hear about the lesbian couple in Seattle a few weeks back?

I cant even imagine the horror they went thru at the hands of that frikken baboon scum.  

The 23-year-old man accused of creeping into a South Park home and attacking two women, leaving one dead and the other seriously wounded, could face the death penalty.

Isaiah Kalebu was charged Wednesday with aggravated first-degree murder, attempted first-degree murder, two counts of first-degree rape and first-degree burglary. King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg said his office is weighing whether to seek the death penalty against Kalebu.

He is being held at the King County Jail on $10 million bail.

Satterberg said Kalebu randomly selected Teresa Butz, 39, and her 36-year-old partner as victims.

Kalebu is accused of crawling through their open bathroom window around 1:30 a.m. on July 19, stripping naked and waking the two women with a threat that they would die if they didn't submit to his sexual demands, according to court charging papers filed Wednesday.

The women were raped repeatedly and a butcher knife was pressed against their throats. During the course of the 90-minute attack the women were slashed on their necks and cut on their arms, Satterberg said.

"As he would rape one woman, he would cut the other," Satterberg said. "It was a nightmare, but it was all too real."

When Butz fought back by kicking her attacker off the bed she was punched in the face, prosecutors said. Butz then was stabbed in the chest and arm but somehow managed to hurl a nightstand out the bedroom window, charging papers said. Butz leapt out the window, creating enough of a distraction for her partner to run out the front door.

Kalebu then escaped through the same window he came in through, prosecutors said.

Once outside the house, the two naked women screamed for help. Neighbors rushed to them, but Butz was pronounced dead in the street, Satterberg said. Butz's partner has been released from the hospital and has talked with police about the attack.

Once Kalebu is arraigned on the charges Aug. 12, Satterberg has 30 days to decide whether he will seek the death penalty. The 30-day deadline, which is required under state law, could potentially be pushed back if Kalebu's defense attorneys need more time to prepare, said Dan Donohoe, spokesman for Satterberg.

Satterberg said his office will consider a number of factors before deciding whether to pursue the death penalty, including Kalebu's mental state at the time of the attack. Last year, Kalebu was diagnosed as being bipolar.

Isaiah Kalebu was charged Wednesday with aggravated first-degree murder, attempted first-degree murder, two counts of first-degree rape and first-degree burglary. King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg said his office is weighing whether to seek the death penalty against Kalebu.

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Thinking like a liberal elitist: "83%? Guess we'll have to sneak gun control through on another bill or get it done through the U.N."

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While it seems like the country is going to hell at an accelerating pace, the public seems to have decisively come to their senses on the gun issue.  There has been a huge turnaround in public opinion in the last 20-30 years.  The government is still lagging behind, but when 83% of the public supports something the politicians and judges will eventually come around.



How did this happen?  What makes gun rights so different than our other liberties, which only a minority seem to give a damn about?

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How do we got the support of the other 17%?

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The question is kind of ambiguous. This is why I hate polls.

It didn't simple ask "do you support concealed carry laws?" it throws in all that extra crap about background checks and training which confuses the issue. For all we know, people thought the poll was asking if they supported such requirements for CCW licenses.

Zogby/O'Leary asked voters:

"Currently, 39 states have laws that allow residents to carry firearms to protect themselves, only if they pass a background check and pay a fee to cover administrative costs. Most of those states also require applicants to have firearms safety training. Do you support or oppose this law?"

An overwhelming majority of Americans (83 percent) support concealed-carry laws, while only 11 percent oppose them. A majority of Independent voters (86 percent), Democrats (80 percent), young voters age 18-29 (83 percent), Hispanic voters (80 percent), and those who voted for President Obama (80 percent) support the right to carry a firearm.

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Thinking like a liberal elitist: "83%? Guess we'll have to sneak gun control through on another bill or get it done through the U.N."

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Okay, this is definitely good news but I want to point a couple of things out before the champagne is opened.



The phrasing of this poll is heavily weighted in favor of the result it got.  When presented with the extra information "pass a background check, pay fee, safety training, etc" the answer most people will go for is clear.



If it were phrased in a more neutral way the result might not have been as overwhelming.  Not to say that the information provided in the question is inaccurate - but whoever worded that poll had the desired result in mind before anyone responded.

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Watch COPS or "the first 48" and you start to think...."hmmm, the cops are just a clean-up crew"

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This is the sound of someone coming to grips with how people ACTUALLY are, not how they wish them to be.  It's a shame she had to learn like this.  

And I join the ranks of those that seriously doubt 83% of Americans support carry rights.