Been reading and replying to alot of posts and i think we get off the track a little bit. sometimes it takes a shitty deal to get ya thinkin.  in phx, a firefighter was killed doing his job, trying to protect the community from a shopping center that went up. you wouldnt believe the support for his family and such that the community near his firehouse gives.  school kids, strangers etc...  we lost a police officer a little while back and the same thing, vigils, money given to the family... you want america, right there, heroes go down serving the community and from what i see, the poeple really do appreciate it and feel pain when it goes bad. just thought id share.