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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:31:30 PM EDT
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Wouldn't that make it a short-barrel shotgun, an NFA weapon?
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:32:08 PM EDT
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With intense wrist breaking action!
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:33:30 PM EDT
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With intense wrist breaking action! No shit. 
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:34:16 PM EDT
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Wouldn't that make it a short-barrel shotgun, an NFA weapon? AOW, I think. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:34:25 PM EDT
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Wouldn't that make it a short-barrel shotgun, an NFA weapon? It might be an AOW ETA 9 seconds Andy |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:37:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:38:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Wouldn't that make it a short-barrel shotgun, an NFA weapon? It might be an AOW ETA 9 seconds Andy I thought an AOW was one that had been converted and a SBS was manufactured as such. Maybe it's the other way around. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:38:38 PM EDT
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Wouldn't that make it a short-barrel shotgun, an NFA weapon? Kinda. Picture a Taurus Judge that is just bigger 
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:39:28 PM EDT
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LSD flashbacks from bad trips?
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:39:41 PM EDT
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Kinda like the top one, but is a revolver. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:40:04 PM EDT
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There would have to be a pistol cartridge that would accept the 12ga in its chamber.
All you manufacturers out there, GET TO WORK 
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:40:30 PM EDT
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Wouldn't that make it a short-barrel shotgun, an NFA weapon? It might be an AOW ETA 9 seconds Andy I thought an AOW was one that had been converted and a SBS was manufactured as such. Maybe it's the other way around. An AOW(shotgun) left the factory with no buttstock attached, or a pistol grip attached. If it had a buttstock, it's an SBS. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:40:30 PM EDT
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IIRC, NFA says that a firearm of any length with a smooth-bore barrel less than 18 inches is a short-barreled shotgun –– regardless of whether or not it has a stock.
I remember reading something along those lines when the Taurus Judge came out - explaining why, despite being capable of firing .410 shotshells, the bore was rifled. _MaH |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:42:17 PM EDT
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IIRC, NFA says that a firearm of any length with a smooth-bore barrel less than 18 inches is a short-barreled shotgun –– regardless of whether or not it has a stock. I remember reading something along those lines when the Taurus Judge came out - explaining why, despite being capable of firing .410 shotshells, the bore was rifled. _MaH The Judge is a .45 Colt revolver that also fires .410 shells. If it was a .410 revolver that fired .45 Colt, it would be an AOW. Either way it's still a poor excuse for a firearm. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:43:43 PM EDT
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You can keep that shit.
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:44:14 PM EDT
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IIRC, NFA says that a firearm of any length with a smooth-bore barrel less than 18 inches is a short-barreled shotgun –– regardless of whether or not it has a stock. I remember reading something along those lines when the Taurus Judge came out - explaining why, despite being capable of firing .410 shotshells, the bore was rifled. _MaH The Judge is a .45 Colt revolver that also fires .410 shells. If it was a .410 revolver that fired .45 Colt, it would be an AOW. Either way it's still a poor excuse for a firearm. Proof that not being a team member means no one pays attention to you 
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:44:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wouldn't that make it a short-barrel shotgun, an NFA weapon? It might be an AOW ETA 9 seconds Andy I thought an AOW was one that had been converted and a SBS was manufactured as such. Maybe it's the other way around. An AOW(shotgun) left the factory with no buttstock attached, or a pistol grip attached. If it had a buttstock, it's an SBS. What about the barrel length? For instance, how is the Mossberg "Survival Kit" then not an AOW since it has the pistol grip? BTW: did you ever buy that 1908 Colt at Best Pawn? |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:44:26 PM EDT
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IIRC, NFA says that a firearm of any length with a smooth-bore barrel less than 18 inches is a short-barreled shotgun –– regardless of whether or not it has a stock. I remember reading something along those lines when the Taurus Judge came out - explaining why, despite being capable of firing .410 shotshells, the bore was rifled. _MaH Probably because the manufacturer could conceivably say it's a .45lc revolver that just happens to accept a .410 shell? Just a guess though. Is the judge marked as .410 or .45lc or both? Never looked at one. A 12ga. revolver would have quite the unwieldy cylinder! Whats the pistol caliber round equivalent? I think a pistol caliber above .50 was a no go..........I might be wrong on that one though. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:49:20 PM EDT
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The idea of a 12ga shotgun revolver has been bouncing through my head. Would anyone get it? It would be like a Taurus Judge, but with more balls. I suppose this would be for concealed carry? 
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:50:25 PM EDT
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There would have to be a pistol cartridge that would accept the 12ga in its chamber. All you manufacturers out there, GET TO WORK So they would basically need to take a 12ga slug and put it inside of a brass casing and call it something fancy. Make the barrel rifled so it is designed to shoot this new fancy round and it happens to just accept 12ga shotgun shells
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:51:33 PM EDT
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The idea of a 12ga shotgun revolver has been bouncing through my head. Would anyone get it? It would be like a Taurus Judge, but with more balls. I suppose this would be for concealed carry?
Of course 
Mainly it would be just a range toy (like The Judge) |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:54:50 PM EDT
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Wouldn't that make it a short-barrel shotgun, an NFA weapon? It might be an AOW ETA 9 seconds Andy I thought an AOW was one that had been converted and a SBS was manufactured as such. Maybe it's the other way around. It's the other way around. Also, any shotgun with a revolving cylinder, according to the nazi fucktards in the ATF, is a DD, not an SBS or AOW. Revolving cylinder shotguns also get included in any AWB bill the senate tries to pass through.
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:56:49 PM EDT
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I'm bored. I think I'll make a mockup of one in Rhino.
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:58:22 PM EDT
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IIRC, NFA says that a firearm of any length with a smooth-bore barrel less than 18 inches is a short-barreled shotgun –– regardless of whether or not it has a stock. I remember reading something along those lines when the Taurus Judge came out - explaining why, despite being capable of firing .410 shotshells, the bore was rifled. _MaH Serbu SuperShorty's are AOW's...... because they have a pistol grip and vertical foregrip that swings down. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:58:59 PM EDT
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Anyone have any good names for this interesting piece of machinery?
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Posted: 6/17/2009 8:00:10 PM EDT
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It would be an AOW.
NFA Definition: (e) Any other weapon. –– The term "any other weapon" means any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive, a pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell, weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire. Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition.
Source _MaH |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 8:06:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: IIRC, NFA says that a firearm of any length with a smooth-bore barrel less than 18 inches is a short-barreled shotgun –– regardless of whether or not it has a stock. I remember reading something along those lines when the Taurus Judge came out - explaining why, despite being capable of firing .410 shotshells, the bore was rifled. _MaH Being fired from the shoulder is a integral part of being defined as a 'shotgun'. If is not designed to be fired from the shoulder it is not a shotgun, and it has to be a shotgun to be a short barreled shotgun. ETA- I would be cool if somebody made a 12 gauge like those nerf revolver handguns. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 8:07:36 PM EDT
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Wouldn't that make it a short-barrel shotgun, an NFA weapon? It might be an AOW ETA 9 seconds Andy I thought an AOW was one that had been converted and a SBS was manufactured as such. Maybe it's the other way around. An AOW(shotgun) left the factory with no buttstock attached, or a pistol grip attached. If it had a buttstock, it's an SBS. What about the barrel length? For instance, how is the Mossberg "Survival Kit" then not an AOW since it has the pistol grip? BTW: did you ever buy that 1908 Colt at Best Pawn? *sigh* Ok, here's how it breaks down. If the barrel is 18" or longer and the overall length is 26" inches or longer, nobody gives a shit if it has a stock or just a pistol grip. If it comes from the factory with a pistol grip (no stock) and barrel shorter than 18", it's an AOW. If it comes from the factory with a stock and barrel shorter than 18", it's an SBS. If it comes from the factory with a stock and barrel shorter than 18", and you remove the stock and put a pistol grip on it, it's still an SBS. If it comes from the factory with a barrel 18" or longer and you shorten the barrel, it's an SBS, regardless of whether or not it had a stock from the factory. Ergo, a Remington 870 with a stock and 16" barrel is an SBS. A Serbu Super Shorty is an AOW. The shotgun you cut down to 6" with a hacksaw is an SBS. Make sense now? Here's something that'll make your head explode: You can take a pistol and add a 16" barrel and stock to it and it's a rifle. Then you can remove the stock and barrel and it's a pistol again. But you can't turn a rifle into a pistol unless it started out as a pistol. AND you have to put the 16" barrel on before adding the stock (and remove the stock before removing the barrel) or it's an SBR. If you add a vertical foregrip to a pistol, it's an AOW. NFA laws: fucked up "logic" that makes no fucking sense to anyone since 1934. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 8:08:12 PM EDT
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IIRC, NFA says that a firearm of any length with a smooth-bore barrel less than 18 inches is a short-barreled shotgun –– regardless of whether or not it has a stock. I remember reading something along those lines when the Taurus Judge came out - explaining why, despite being capable of firing .410 shotshells, the bore was rifled. _MaH Being fired from the shoulder is a integral part of being defined as a 'shotgun'. If is not designed to be fired from the shoulder it is not a shotgun, and it has to be a shotgun to be a short barreled shotgun. Exactly, it would be a revolver that shoots some special ammo with a rifled barrel... And it just happens to shoot 12ga loads. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 8:10:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: IIRC, NFA says that a firearm of any length with a smooth-bore barrel less than 18 inches is a short-barreled shotgun –– regardless of whether or not it has a stock. I remember reading something along those lines when the Taurus Judge came out - explaining why, despite being capable of firing .410 shotshells, the bore was rifled. _MaH Being fired from the shoulder is a integral part of being defined as a 'shotgun'. If is not designed to be fired from the shoulder it is not a shotgun, and it has to be a shotgun to be a short barreled shotgun. Exactly, it would be a revolver that shoots some special ammo with a rifled barrel... And it just happens to shoot 12ga loads. rifled barrel greater than 1/2 inch...DD land. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 8:21:22 PM EDT
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http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0400/461.htm
made by the same company that makes a o/u autoloader http://www.kbptula.ru/eng/sphu/hunt/mts255.htm |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 8:29:09 PM EDT
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There would have to be a pistol cartridge that would accept the 12ga in its chamber. All you manufacturers out there, GET TO WORK So they would basically need to take a 12ga slug and put it inside of a brass casing and call it something fancy. Make the barrel rifled so it is designed to shoot this new fancy round and it happens to just accept 12ga shotgun shells
Profit That would make it a Destructive Device which is potentially even more of a pain in the ass. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 8:38:03 PM EDT
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Wouldn't that make it a short-barrel shotgun, an NFA weapon? It might be an AOW ETA 9 seconds Andy I thought an AOW was one that had been converted and a SBS was manufactured as such. Maybe it's the other way around. An AOW(shotgun) left the factory with no buttstock attached, or a pistol grip attached. If it had a buttstock, it's an SBS. What about the barrel length? For instance, how is the Mossberg "Survival Kit" then not an AOW since it has the pistol grip? BTW: did you ever buy that 1908 Colt at Best Pawn? As long as the barrel is over 18", it's legally a standard shotgun. Barrel under 18", smoothbore, and either no stock or a PG from the factory would be an AOW...or even if it leaves the factory with a barrel over 18" and everything else the same, it can be registered as an AOW. Once it has the buttstock on it, it can only be a SBS. Nope, someone else did though, figured it was you. I know where another one is sitting right now, in WAY better shape, with $400 on the tag. Some pitting the the barrel though, or I would have bought it. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 8:38:24 PM EDT
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I have to agree with the wrist breaking comment. I think it would look cool though. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 8:42:17 PM EDT
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With intense wrist breaking action! Not really. I shoot my short-barrelled Remington 870 one-handed frequently. Granted, it helps to be 6'4" and 240 pounds. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 8:43:42 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure any 'revolving cylinder shotgun' is considered a DD by the ATF as per the street-sweeper ruling
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Posted: 6/17/2009 8:49:10 PM EDT
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With intense wrist breaking action! Not really. I shoot my short-barrelled Remington 870 one-handed frequently. Granted, it helps to be 6'4" and 240 pounds. I tried a serbu clone last year and the gun would have sprained my wrist if I hadn't braced it with my stomach. |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 8:58:41 PM EDT
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Now an AOW... More like an AOWWWWWW!
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Posted: 6/18/2009 3:34:26 AM EDT
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Tag for the morning crue and update in first post...
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Posted: 6/18/2009 3:45:25 AM EDT
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It's not 12G but there is always the Thunder 5 used in 3 Kings...
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Posted: 6/18/2009 4:10:29 AM EDT
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anything over 50 cal is a destructive device (2) Any weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be
readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes and you may as well make it a sbs and be done with it. |
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Posted: 6/18/2009 5:17:42 AM EDT
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Hijack in progress....
What would they say about a semi auto BELT FED shot gun??? |
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Posted: 6/18/2009 5:34:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: IIRC, NFA says that a firearm of any length with a smooth-bore barrel less than 18 inches is a short-barreled shotgun –– regardless of whether or not it has a stock. I remember reading something along those lines when the Taurus Judge came out - explaining why, despite being capable of firing .410 shotshells, the bore was rifled. _MaH The Judge is a .45 Colt revolver that also fires .410 shells. If it was a .410 revolver that fired .45 Colt, it would be an AOW. Either way it's still a poor excuse for a firearm. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. |
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