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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:27:33 AM EDT
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so congress is gonna buy these w what money.....
I bet the good old BDUs would work better in afghan. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:29:04 AM EDT
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Why they even started messing with uniforms during a war is beyond me when there was nothing much wrong with the previous ones. They need to ditch all the damn velcro on ACU's and go back to sew on patches/badges and buttons.
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:29:59 AM EDT
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Should have stuck with 3 color desert and woodland... the whole ACU thing was a HUGE waste of money...
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:32:52 AM EDT
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wtf really?
I think that whole body armor fiasco scared them so bad they cant do anything correct now. whats gonna happen when whatever they push through is fucked up they are gonna push through some other billion dollar uniform. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:33:59 AM EDT
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so congress is gonna buy these w what money..... I bet the good old BDUs would work better in afghan. the woodland BDU's actually work ok in the north eastern mountains and some northern parts (personal experience) the desert BDU's works great in the south and west and central (personal experience) the cyre multi-cam works good in both ( friend of mines review) the acu is not the best - unless its whatever color you are rolling around in(personal experience) the MARPAT desert works good in the south and west and central (had a Marine or two with us) never saw the MARPAT greens |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:34:12 AM EDT
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Well I'm glad that the folks in DC know what kind of uniforms the troops downrange need better than the Army.
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:35:53 AM EDT
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And we are fighting turban clad bearded freakniks dressed however?
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:37:24 AM EDT
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Who the fuck are complaining? The pogues? You spend more than an hour humping through that countryside your ACU's turn whatever color your surroundings happen to be.
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:38:48 AM EDT
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Why is this news?
I'm sure they plan on doing all kinds of things with the money. Are they asking for an extraordinary amount of money, and if you vote against it, you're "denying decent camouflage to our soldiers"? |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:40:27 AM EDT
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Here's a shot at distance.
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:41:50 AM EDT
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so congress is gonna buy these w what money..... I bet the good old BDUs would work better in afghan. the woodland BDU's actually work ok in the north eastern mountains and some northern parts (personal experience) the desert BDU's works great in the south and west and central (personal experience) the cyre multi-cam works good in both ( friend of mines review) the acu just does not work(personal experience) the MARPAT desert works good in the south and west and central (had a Marine or two with us) never saw the MARPAT greens MultiCam, FTW. The Army should have just gone with it from the start. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:44:20 AM EDT
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Heh... good ol' "target-indicator black." |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:49:06 AM EDT
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I guess Afghanistan has a shortage of floral-pattern couches for ACU to blend with.
About fucking time they got their heads out of their asses and corrected the uniform problem. Even if all they do is change the colors to make the ACU more brown than grey and white, it's still an improvement. My vote is for Multicam. Unlike ACU it really IS universal and doesn't make you stand out like a guy in white pants and t-shirt in a crowd of guys wearing subdued earth tones. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:52:48 AM EDT
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Heh... good ol' "target-indicator black." The black shit is what surprises me. I can't believe they allow a patch of solid black fabric anywhere near the AO. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 9:00:58 AM EDT
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Who the fuck are complaining? The pogues? You spend more than an hour humping through that countryside your ACU's turn whatever color your surroundings happen to be. http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff100/LUGR/PARATROOPERS/ACU/ACU13.jpg 
Yeah, ACU really works.  MARPAT is far superior in wooded/lush environments, and digital desert is far better in, well, deserts, though ACU isn't too horrible once you get a bunch of dirt and shit ground into it.
Meanwhile, the OTHER universal camo that actually beat ACU in the army trials (but they didn't go with it because they'd have had to pay an outside company for it)... 
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Posted: 6/16/2009 9:03:47 AM EDT
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I'm curious. Can congress legally order a military service to change uniforms? What happens if say, they take a dislike to the Marine dress blues? (Note, they didn't fund their little mandate either)
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Posted: 6/16/2009 9:04:10 AM EDT
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Heh... good ol' "target-indicator black." The black shit is what surprises me. I can't believe they allow a patch of solid black fabric anywhere near the AO. What the heck is black that they have to carry anyway? Shouldn't everything in theater be ACU, 3-color desert, woodland, or coyote tan? 
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Posted: 6/16/2009 9:07:12 AM EDT
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Heh... good ol' "target-indicator black." The black shit is what surprises me. I can't believe they allow a patch of solid black fabric anywhere near the AO. What the heck is black that they have to carry anyway? Shouldn't everything in theater be ACU, 3-color desert, woodland, or coyote tan?
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Posted: 6/16/2009 9:08:04 AM EDT
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Who the fuck are complaining? The pogues? You spend more than an hour humping through that countryside your ACU's turn whatever color your surroundings happen to be. http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff100/LUGR/PARATROOPERS/ACU/ACU13.jpg I notice lots of optics. Very nice. 
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Posted: 6/16/2009 9:17:00 AM EDT
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Where's the pic of the Soldier that dumped a bottle of tan Rite dye into the washer with one set of ACUs and they came out almost perfect for AFG? IIRC his 1SG yelled at him for a long, long time about that.
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Posted: 6/16/2009 9:18:12 AM EDT
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Why they even started messing with uniforms during a war is beyond me when there was nothing much wrong with the previous ones. They need to ditch all the damn velcro on ACU's and go back to sew on patches/badges and buttons. They started "messing" with the old BDUs because there were better materials out there like "wash and wear" and new dyes that didn't fade so quickly. The old BDUs sucked ass. The velcro on the Army ACUs saves Soldiers from having to spend as much money getting all that crap sewn onto their uniforms when they buy a new set (name tapes, rank, unit patches, ect.). |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 9:19:58 AM EDT
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DEVGRU has been using NatGear camo and they say it blends in very well in Astan.
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Posted: 6/16/2009 9:22:01 AM EDT
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How about a spray on tint
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Posted: 6/16/2009 9:24:41 AM EDT
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Who the fuck are complaining? The pogues? You spend more than an hour humping through that countryside your ACU's turn whatever color your surroundings happen to be. I've heard that >10,000 ft in Afghanistan is the only place that ACU's work. Hmm... My question is how long will this process take? I saw flag and field grades walking around in ACUs for 2 years before i was issued any. If the uniform is ready mid-2011 then it probably fail's Congress' intent. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 9:28:07 AM EDT
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HOLY SHIT MOTHERF&$@#^R!!! someone left their boots on the couch! |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 9:46:06 AM EDT
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MultiCam, FTW. The Army should have just gone with it from the start. nail on the head. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:00:04 AM EDT
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Who the fuck are complaining? The pogues? You spend more than an hour humping through that countryside your ACU's turn whatever color your surroundings happen to be. I've heard that >10,000 ft in Afghanistan is the only place that ACU's work. Hmm... My question is how long will this process take? I saw flag and field grades walking around in ACUs for 2 years before i was issued any. If the uniform is ready mid-2011 then it probably fail's Congress' intent. I was honestly surprised how quick the Army got the ACUs issued to units deploying to Iraq once the decision was made to field it. I know there's always a "trickle down" scenerio with new gear, but given how big the Army is, I think the contracts were issued by enough vendors in an expedited fashion in order to get them out to the troops pretty quick all things considered. Not to mention pouches, body armor, and everything else manufactured in the same pattern. Overall a pretty quick turnaround, especially if you consider how much of the old woodland gear that must have been floating around after two decades. The MARPAT uniform on the other hand took awhile. I think only two or three contractors were producing the new uniforms for a long time before manufacturing picked up to meet demand. It may be perception on my part, but I think our turnaround to the new uniform took longer. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:09:17 AM EDT
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Heh... good ol' "target-indicator black." The black shit is what surprises me. I can't believe they allow a patch of solid black fabric anywhere near the AO. What the heck is black that they have to carry anyway? Shouldn't everything in theater be ACU, 3-color desert, woodland, or coyote tan? I was referring to the pic above. The distance pic of the troops humping large black packs or they look to be back packs anyway. To me that big black patch is no good. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:11:54 AM EDT
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I'm curious. Can congress legally order a military service to change uniforms? What happens if say, they take a dislike to the Marine dress blues? (Note, they didn't fund their little mandate either) They can't order the service to drop a uniform, but they can stop funding to procure it and buy something else. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:15:18 AM EDT
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I got a solution:nuke em.Guys come home have a barbeque.Problem happens again?Rinse repeat.
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:20:03 AM EDT
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Hopefully just plain Coyote brown.
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:22:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: Dont some SOF units already have it?Quoted: MultiCam, FTW. The Army should have just gone with it from the start. nail on the head.   I know these are promotional FCS pics, but some units already have it. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:22:55 AM EDT
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Heh... good ol' "target-indicator black." The black shit is what surprises me. I can't believe they allow a patch of solid black fabric anywhere near the AO. What the heck is black that they have to carry anyway? Shouldn't everything in theater be ACU, 3-color desert, woodland, or coyote tan? I was referring to the pic above. The distance pic of the troops humping large black packs or they look to be back packs anyway. To me that big black patch is no good. That's what I was referring to as well. What on earth do they have that's black besides their rifles? |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:25:03 AM EDT
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MultiCam, FTW. The Army should have just gone with it from the start. nail on the head. http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/skygod99/signal_e_a000771116.jpg http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/skygod99/unmanned_ground2_lg.jpg I know these are promotional FCS pics, but some units already have it. Yup. First of the Multicam pics I posted was SF in Iraq. 
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:26:53 AM EDT
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Heh... good ol' "target-indicator black." The black shit is what surprises me. I can't believe they allow a patch of solid black fabric anywhere near the AO. What the heck is black that they have to carry anyway? Shouldn't everything in theater be ACU, 3-color desert, woodland, or coyote tan? I was referring to the pic above. The distance pic of the troops humping large black packs or they look to be back packs anyway. To me that big black patch is no good. That's what I was referring to as well. What on earth do they have that's black besides their rifles? I notice you guys didn't point out the soldier with an ACU pack.... |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:27:51 AM EDT
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MultiCam, FTW. The Army should have just gone with it from the start. nail on the head. http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/skygod99/signal_e_a000771116.jpg http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/skygod99/unmanned_ground2_lg.jpg I know these are promotional FCS pics, but some units already have it. Yup. First of the Multicam pics I posted was SF in Iraq. http://www.specwar.info/maskovani/MultiCam/p00.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3027/2405552195_4daa8c3845_o.jpg More pics from the series you posted. That first one you posted, they're not SOF they're DEA. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:31:25 AM EDT
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Heh... good ol' "target-indicator black." The black shit is what surprises me. I can't believe they allow a patch of solid black fabric anywhere near the AO. What the heck is black that they have to carry anyway? Shouldn't everything in theater be ACU, 3-color desert, woodland, or coyote tan? I was referring to the pic above. The distance pic of the troops humping large black packs or they look to be back packs anyway. To me that big black patch is no good. That's what I was referring to as well. What on earth do they have that's black besides their rifles? Soldier's personal backpack it looks like. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:32:30 AM EDT
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Heh... good ol' "target-indicator black." The black shit is what surprises me. I can't believe they allow a patch of solid black fabric anywhere near the AO. What the heck is black that they have to carry anyway? Shouldn't everything in theater be ACU, 3-color desert, woodland, or coyote tan? I was referring to the pic above. The distance pic of the troops humping large black packs or they look to be back packs anyway. To me that big black patch is no good. That's what I was referring to as well. What on earth do they have that's black besides their rifles? I notice you guys didn't point out the soldier with an ACU pack.... What soldier with ACU pack? 
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:33:26 AM EDT
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Heh... good ol' "target-indicator black." The black shit is what surprises me. I can't believe they allow a patch of solid black fabric anywhere near the AO. What the heck is black that they have to carry anyway? Shouldn't everything in theater be ACU, 3-color desert, woodland, or coyote tan? I was referring to the pic above. The distance pic of the troops humping large black packs or they look to be back packs anyway. To me that big black patch is no good. That's what I was referring to as well. What on earth do they have that's black besides their rifles? I notice you guys didn't point out the soldier with an ACU pack.... What soldier with ACU pack? Exactly my point. 
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:34:05 AM EDT
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and in WW1 the French would muddy up their uniforms and keep them dirty because apparently Red did not blend well.....
still probably better than ACU
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:34:41 AM EDT
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Heh... good ol' "target-indicator black." The black shit is what surprises me. I can't believe they allow a patch of solid black fabric anywhere near the AO. What the heck is black that they have to carry anyway? Shouldn't everything in theater be ACU, 3-color desert, woodland, or coyote tan? I was referring to the pic above. The distance pic of the troops humping large black packs or they look to be back packs anyway. To me that big black patch is no good. That's what I was referring to as well. What on earth do they have that's black besides their rifles? I notice you guys didn't point out the soldier with an ACU pack.... What soldier with ACU pack? Exactly my point. 
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:40:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:40:41 AM EDT
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Interesting tidbit from Wiki about the original Afgan region purposedyed uniform:
There are two common, and not too dissimilar, definitions of the word "khaki": One is that it is a Hindi word meaning earth-coloured or dust-coloured; The other is that the idiomatic Hindi for faeces is "khaki" and, in fact, many ex-British Army colonialists are familiar with the word "khaki" as the equivalent of the English "shit". Regardless of its precise etymology, "khaki" refers to the colour of uniforms introduced by the army regiments in the 1880s. More accurately, the correct shade of "khaki" is the colour of "Multani Mitti", meaning "the mud of Multan". Multan was a well known military cantonment of British India (now in Pakistan). Pakistan mud/shit seems to be a good starting point.  |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:40:57 AM EDT
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About time.
ACU has always looked ridiculous to me... Like it glows in the dark. Probably works well in urban close quarters to confuse the eye... But ACU has no use in the great outdoors. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:51:55 AM EDT
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Ignorant civilian question: I occasionally see photos of groups of soldiers where most are wearing ACUs, but one or two are wearing woodlands or 3-color desert. (That being said, these photos probably date back to 2005-2006, when the ACUs were first issued.)
Anyway, if I was a soldier stationed in Afghanistan and was unhappy with my ACU, could I buy a 3-color desert uniform with my own money and just wear that instead? Or is this option reserved for SF units only? ETA: I am not suggesting that soldiers who are unhappy with the ACU be forced to buy new uniforms out-of-pocket; am just wondering how much leeway there is when it comes to wearing older uniforms. |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:53:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2009 11:17:47 AM EDT
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MultiCam, FTW. The Army should have just gone with it from the start. nail on the head. http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/skygod99/signal_e_a000771116.jpg http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/skygod99/unmanned_ground2_lg.jpg I know these are promotional FCS pics, but some units already have it. Yup. First of the Multicam pics I posted was SF in Iraq. http://www.specwar.info/maskovani/MultiCam/p00.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3027/2405552195_4daa8c3845_o.jpg More pics from the series you posted. Whats with the video game controller? Im get that its for a robot, but what is the whole system? |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 11:24:22 AM EDT
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so congress is gonna buy these w what money..... I bet the good old BDUs would work better in afghan. the woodland BDU's actually work ok in the north eastern mountains and some northern parts (personal experience) the desert BDU's works great in the south and west and central (personal experience) the cyre multi-cam works good in both ( friend of mines review) the acu just does not work(personal experience) the MARPAT desert works good in the south and west and central (had a Marine or two with us) never saw the MARPAT greens MultiCam, FTW. The Army should have just gone with it from the start. QFT |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 11:28:24 AM EDT
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MultiCam, FTW. The Army should have just gone with it from the start. nail on the head. http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/skygod99/signal_e_a000771116.jpg http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/skygod99/unmanned_ground2_lg.jpg I know these are promotional FCS pics, but some units already have it. Yup. First of the Multicam pics I posted was SF in Iraq. http://www.specwar.info/maskovani/MultiCam/p00.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3027/2405552195_4daa8c3845_o.jpg More pics from the series you posted. Whats with the video game controller? Im get that its for a robot, but what is the whole system? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Warrior http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/4215715.html |
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